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  1. #101
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You're dumber than a box of Alan wrenches.
    Very clever MAxPen. So Alan has wrenches name after him?

    What about Singer? Here is a riddle for you. What is the difference between a baby and an Opera Director?
    Singer is a sewing machine and he has hemmed himself so far into his BS, that he is completely irrelevant. A fuckin dufus that has to resort to mooching WiFi and crapping in a litter box in the back of a camper truck.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  2. #102
    Relax Max. I was joking. The difference between a baby and an Opera Director is a baby sucks his fingers. You get?

    Crapping in the back of a camper in a litter box. Funny stuff. I don't care where you're from. LMAO

  3. #103
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I myself am not a fan of the BJHoF. Never have been. And the fact that I was approached earlier this year about possible future membership, hasn't changed that. I respect the people and their achievements but don't need a clubhouse to pat each other on the back.
    Are you serious kj? You’ve been approached by the BJ Hall of Fame group to become a member? That would really bring credibliliy to this group. Lol
    Okay, why shouldn't KJ be in the the Blackjack Hall of Fame? After all he has never had a losing year playing blackjack. Even Don S can't make that same claim.

  4. #104
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I myself am not a fan of the BJHoF. Never have been. And the fact that I was approached earlier this year about possible future membership, hasn't changed that. I respect the people and their achievements but don't need a clubhouse to pat each other on the back.
    Are you serious kj? You’ve been approached by the BJ Hall of Fame group to become a member? That would really bring credibliliy to this group. Lol
    Okay, why shouldn't KJ be in the the Blackjack Hall of Fame? After all he has never had a losing year playing blackjack. Even Don S can't make that same claim.
    I think Don has been playing for 40 some years. I am now in year 16. There is still time.

    But really, I would prefer to stop this talk right here. This is not something I am seeking, nor have ever had an interest in. And to be clear, nor was it offered. I simply had a discussion at the request of two friends who are members about beginning a process of what they called "rehabilitating my image" for possible future consideration. Apparently some of the members of that group look down on my participation on forums. I obviously have chosen to not "rehabilitate" my image. It really isn't something I am all that interested in at this point in time. Maybe in 30 years after my career is finished, I might feel differently.

  5. #105
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Are you serious kj? You’ve been approached by the BJ Hall of Fame group to become a member? That would really bring credibliliy to this group. Lol
    Okay, why shouldn't KJ be in the the Blackjack Hall of Fame? After all he has never had a losing year playing blackjack. Even Don S can't make that same claim.
    I think Don has been playing for 40 some years. I am now in year 16. There is still time.

    But really, I would prefer to stop this talk right here. This is not something I am seeking, nor have ever had an interest in. And to be clear, nor was it offered. I simply had a discussion at the request of two friends who are members about beginning a process of what they called "rehabilitating my image" for possible future consideration. Apparently some of the members of that group look down on my participation on forums. I obviously have chosen to not "rehabilitate" my image. It really isn't something I am all that interested in at this point in time. Maybe in 30 years after my career is finished, I might feel differently.
    I highly doubt there is a problem associated with the BHOF and participating on forums. Ones content they post and how they act on public forums probably does.

    I'm a bit confused. There were people who are in the BJHOF or people that are reasonable for inducting people into the BHOF have suggested exactly what concerning you and the BHOF? Have you ever even been invited to the BJB? Are the people you are talking about normally participants in the BJB?

  6. #106
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    For whatever reason Bob21 keeps writing I'm upset about failing his class. Like yourself, I never wrote a word about whatever he decides he wants to argue against (being upset for failing his class in my case). First off I really don't care if has a class and I could care less if I failed it. Bob21 will keep making shit up no matter what the response.
    I don't understand his "failed class" references. TBH I don't read most of his posts, at least the longer ones....although I guess that goes for most people, unless it's an interesting subject. Does he actually teach classes or something?
    For all the people who don’t care about my posts, I sure do get a lot of responses.

    Okay, I hate to beat a “dead horse”, but since you asked and haven’t kept up, here is the question I asked Tableplay:

    What is the primary reason governments (local and state) approve casinos? Basically why are casinos alllowed to operate?

    And tableplay answered this question by saying for the interest of casinos....basically to make casino owners wealthy.

    Obviously, this was a stupid and incorrect answer so I had to flunk him. I felt bad about it but there was no way I could pass him with that answer.

    The correct answer is governments approve casinos to generate economic activity, which generates tax revenue for state and local governments. Casinos operate FIRST because governments allow them to operate. Governments primary interest in allowing casinos into their states and local comminites is NOT because they want casino companies to get rich, which is what tableplay thinks.

    I want people to know that because tableplay kept trying, and I could tell he was slowly getting it, I did end up passing him with a C-. And he’ll get first crack at my next question/class so he can redeem himself. So there is hope for him.

    I’ll also be giving him a discount on my next bootcamp for APs. I hear there is more money to be made in bootcamps than counting cards.
    No I never wrote anything like that. How amazingly pathetic.

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I don't understand his "failed class" references. TBH I don't read most of his posts, at least the longer ones....although I guess that goes for most people, unless it's an interesting subject. Does he actually teach classes or something?
    I have no idea. It's a very disturbing thought if it turns out that he does.

  8. #108
    2002: Al Francesco, one of the earliest practitioners of blackjack teams.

    2002: Peter Griffin, mathematician who pioneered the “theory of blackjack” and wrote the book of the same name.

    2002: Arnold Snyder, blackjack professional, author of several seminal blackjack books, and editor/publisher of the highly influential Blackjack Forum magazine.

    2002: Edward Thorp, earliest card counter and author of the first book on getting an advantage at the game, Beat the Dealer.

    2002: Ken Uston, blackjack pro, author who revealed the secrets of team play, and plaintiff in the Atlantic City lawsuit that won “rights” for card counters in New Jersey.

    2002: Stanford Wong, author of several early books and inventor of the counting technique known as “wonging.”

    2002: Tommy Hyland, blackjack pro and manager of the longest-running team in blackjack history.

    2004: Max Rubin, blackjack pro, casino manager, author of Comp City, and founder of the Blackjack Hall of Fame.

    2004: Keith Taft, inventor of hidden computers that gave blackjack players a major edge on the game.

    2005: Julian Braun, computer whiz and author who created and assisted in the development of the longest-lasting and most-used card counting systems.

    2005: Lawrence Revere, blackjack instructor and author of Playing Blackjack as a Business.

    2006: James Grosjean, blackjack pro, computer analyst, author of Beyond Counting, and plaintiff in a lawsuit against Imperial Palace for false arrest who received a six-figure settlement.

    2007: John Chang, manager of the MIT Blackjack Team and the real-life Mickey Rosa character in the book Bringing Down the House and movie 21.

    2008: The Four Horsemen of Aberdeen who published the first mathematically based blackjack basic strategy.

    2009: Richard Munchkin, blackjack (and backgammon) pro and author of Gambling Wizards.

    2010: Darryl Purpose, blackjack professional

    2011: Zeljko Ranogajec, professional gambler

    2012: Ian Andersen, blackjack pro and author of Turning the Tables on Las Vegas and Burning the Tables in Las Vegas.

    2013: No inductee

    2014: Robert Nersessian, Las Vegas lawyer who defends players against casinos and author of The Law for Gamblers.

    2015: Don Schlesinger, blackjack pro and author of the classic Blackjack Attack.

    2016: Bill Benter, manager of several blackjack teams, including some that used computers before they were baneed.

    2017: Don Johnson (not the Miami Vice actor), blackjack pro who beat the Atlantic City casinos for upwards of $15 million.

    2018: Wally Simmons, blackjack pro who transitioned to horse-race handicapping, beating the tracks with sophisticated computer models

    2019: Rob Reitzen. From simple card counting to shuffle tracking/sequencing to bottom steering to advanced computer play, Rob has beaten games in more innovative ways than most professional blackjack players even know to exist.

    2020:Norm(?)"..................................... ..............................................."?

    2021:KJ(?) "................................................. ......................................."?
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-12-2019 at 12:34 AM.

  9. #109
    They should induct Norm & KJ into the BJ HOF at the same time and watch the ensuing cat fight. ��
    #FreeTyde

  10. #110
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post

    I don't understand his "failed class" references. TBH I don't read most of his posts, at least the longer ones....although I guess that goes for most people, unless it's an interesting subject. Does he actually teach classes or something?
    For all the people who don’t care about my posts, I sure do get a lot of responses.

    Okay, I hate to beat a “dead horse”, but since you asked and haven’t kept up, here is the question I asked Tableplay:

    What is the primary reason governments (local and state) approve casinos? Basically why are casinos alllowed to operate?

    And tableplay answered this question by saying for the interest of casinos....basically to make casino owners wealthy.

    Obviously, this was a stupid and incorrect answer so I had to flunk him. I felt bad about it but there was no way I could pass him with that answer.

    The correct answer is governments approve casinos to generate economic activity, which generates tax revenue for state and local governments. Casinos operate FIRST because governments allow them to operate. Governments primary interest in allowing casinos into their states and local comminites is NOT because they want casino companies to get rich, which is what tableplay thinks.

    I want people to know that because tableplay kept trying, and I could tell he was slowly getting it, I did end up passing him with a C-. And he’ll get first crack at my next question/class so he can redeem himself. So there is hope for him.

    I’ll also be giving him a discount on my next bootcamp for APs. I hear there is more money to be made in bootcamps than counting cards.
    No I never wrote anything like that. How amazingly pathetic.
    I don’t want to derail another thread but since tableplay is still upset he flunked my test on his first couple tries, I decided to clear this up once and for all. I went back to the original thread, Anti Gambling, anti casinos, that Alan started to find the exact question and tableplay’s answer.

    On post #73, I asked in a sentence set off from the rest of my post: “Why do governments approve casinos?” There was nothing ambiguous about my question, as tableplay continues to say.

    In post #76, tableplay finally relinquished and answered my question. His answer was, and I’m quoting him word for word (no hyperbola): “Sure no problem - casinos operate in the first place because their owners wish to make a lot of money.”

    I’m sorry but this is a stupid and incorrect answer.

    Casinos operate in the first place because governments allow them to operate. If a government didn’t approve a casino, they wouldn’t be able to operate.

    To tableplay’s credit, he tried even thought he failed misabable. Kj refused to even answer the question.

    The next logical question to ask is why do governments approve casinos? Tableplay would probably get this question wrong too. It’s to generate economic activity to generate tax revenue (or sharing revenue programs in the case of Indian casinos) for state and local governments.

    My point is governments aren’t approving casinos first for casino’s interest as tableplay thinks. A byproduct of governments letting casinos into their community is some casino owners get wealthy.

    I hope I was able to clear that up. And tableplay I told you I finally passed you with a C- because I could tell you were really trying.

  11. #111
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    In post #76, tableplay finally relinquished and answered my question. His answer was, and I’m quoting him word for word (no hyperbola): “Sure no problem - casinos operate in the first place because their owners wish to make a lot of money.”
    I also pointed out that "why do casinos operate" is a different question than "why does the government approve casinos".

  12. #112
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I don't understand his "failed class" references. TBH I don't read most of his posts, at least the longer ones....although I guess that goes for most people, unless it's an interesting subject. Does he actually teach classes or something?
    I have no idea. It's a very disturbing thought if it turns out that he does.
    Yes, I used to teach classes at different universities. I did have students that struggled with simple concepts like you do so I’d give them extra tutoring on he side or direct them to someone who had time to tutor them.

  13. #113
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I don't understand his "failed class" references. TBH I don't read most of his posts, at least the longer ones....although I guess that goes for most people, unless it's an interesting subject. Does he actually teach classes or something?
    I have no idea. It's a very disturbing thought if it turns out that he does.
    Yes, I used to teach classes at different universities. For two years, I taught math at University of Iowa. I did have students that struggled with simple concepts like you do so I’d give them extra tutoring on he side or direct them to someone who had time to tutor them.
    When you graded the tests, did you change the questions on the tests if you didn't like the answers and then mark them wrong - like you do here on this forum when your premises get debunked ?

  14. #114
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I have no idea. It's a very disturbing thought if it turns out that he does.
    Yes, I used to teach classes at different universities. For two years, I taught math at University of Iowa. I did have students that struggled with simple concepts like you do so I’d give them extra tutoring on he side or direct them to someone who had time to tutor them.
    When you graded the tests, did you change the questions on the tests if you didn't like the answers and then mark them wrong - like you do here on this forum when your premises get debunked ?
    You and your buddy DGenBen keep saying something has been “debunked”. In the AP world if two people believe something then they think it’s been “debunked”. That’s not the standard in normal society.

    Nothing has been “debunked” with any point I’ve made. Nothing has been debunked in the gambling case with the slot guys in Illinois. All we know is a lawsuit has been filed by the slot shistizers and it still needs to go through the process. I know in the AP world once someone files a lawsuit against a casino this proves the people filing the lawsuit are right. That’s not the way it works in the real world though.

    I’ve noticed the standards are pretty clear for most APs. The casino is always wrong and the gambler/AP is alway right no matter what the facts.

  15. #115
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Yes, I used to teach classes at different universities. For two years, I taught math at University of Iowa. I did have students that struggled with simple concepts like you do so I’d give them extra tutoring on he side or direct them to someone who had time to tutor them.
    When you graded the tests, did you change the questions on the tests if you didn't like the answers and then mark them wrong - like you do here on this forum when your premises get debunked ?
    You and your buddy DGenBen keep saying something has been “debunked”. In the AP world if two people believe something then they think it’s been “debunked”. That’s not the standard in normal society.

    Nothing has been “debunked” with any point I’ve made. Nothing has been debunked in the gambling case with the slot guys in Illinois. All we know is a lawsuit has been filed by the slot shistizers and it still needs to go through the process. I know in the AP world once someone files a lawsuit against a casino this proves the people filing the lawsuit are right. That’s not the way it works in the real world though.

    I’ve noticed the standards are pretty clear for most APs. The casino is always wrong and the gambler/AP is alway right no matter what the facts.
    Bob21, that's the way to do it - just declare that something that was debunked hasn't been and so it shall be. As the determiner of all that is true and all that is not, it must be a heavy burden as you lead humanity through the obstacles that always work against its continuance.

  16. #116
    Bob21 already determined that casinos exist to provide revenue for Satan. Lost souls and all that. At least I'm pretty sure that's what he said. Maybe he said government, but Satan/government -- it's all pretty much the same.

  17. #117
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    When you graded the tests, did you change the questions on the tests if you didn't like the answers and then mark them wrong - like you do here on this forum when your premises get debunked ?
    You and your buddy DGenBen keep saying something has been “debunked”. In the AP world if two people believe something then they think it’s been “debunked”. That’s not the standard in normal society.

    Nothing has been “debunked” with any point I’ve made. Nothing has been debunked in the gambling case with the slot guys in Illinois. All we know is a lawsuit has been filed by the slot shistizers and it still needs to go through the process. I know in the AP world once someone files a lawsuit against a casino this proves the people filing the lawsuit are right. That’s not the way it works in the real world though.

    I’ve noticed the standards are pretty clear for most APs. The casino is always wrong and the gambler/AP is alway right no matter what the facts.
    Bob21, that's the way to do it - just declare that something that was debunked hasn't been and so it shall be. As the determiner of all that is true and all that is not, it must be a heavy burden as you lead humanity through the obstacles that always work against its continuance.
    I’ve never done any such thing. I said I thought these slot shysters were probably guilty but I doubt if they’ll be enough evidence to convict them.

    I pointed out why casinos exist and what I said is correct. This has nothing to do with any larger moral issue, or if I’m siding with the casinos or APs.

    I have yet to have an AP tell me what value they bring to society. Do you want to venture an opinion?

  18. #118
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    2020:Norm(?)"..................................... ..............................................."?

    2021:KJ(?) "................................................. ......................................."?
    I didn't quote your whole list Axel, because I didn't want to take up space. But the youngest of this group of people, probably, Don Johnson, Munchkin, Grosjean, and Johhny Chang are all probably 20+ years my senior. Nothing wrong with that...just an observation.

    I would also point out that all these guys did ground-breaking stuff (for their time). I am just a grinder blackjack player, using all the stuff they did to make a decent living. And, despite that blackjack AP / card counting heyday is over, I still think there are a pretty good number of grinder players running around doing what I do at the levels I do, so nothing special about it. Most probably travel more than me and post less or not at all about it, which is the smart thing to do. Even the tracking multiple tables that drew so much crap from people here that have no clue, players like Munchkin, and Schlesinger (and I am sure others) have been doing that for decades.

    I will say the guy you projected for 2020, despite my differences with him, I sincerely hope he gets in. His software alone, that so many of us that aren't math brainiacs, have benefited from is reason enough for induction in my opinion. But like me he has personal issue, having had similar feuds with quite a number of these members.

    I do wish you hadn't published this list, although anyone can look it up that wanted to. It probably isn't that hard to figure out who approached me and is in my corner and I don't think I was suppose to go public with that. I.E. I talk too much...that's a new one on me.

  19. #119
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    They should induct Norm & KJ into the BJ HOF at the same time and watch the ensuing cat fight. ��
    Shadow boxing at it's finest. Norm says "pull my finger." KJ does, then drops like a rock.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I do wish you hadn't published this list,:
    Thank you for posting Axel. A handy little piece of information right there. I vote for Sam Waterston.

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I have yet to have an AP tell me what value they bring to society.
    I have hired Non AP's and provided them with a desperately needed income.

    I have helped show people how to make living Via AP. There income and quality of life is better than what it was before they got involved. I have helped with moral support and friendship as well. I can't think of anyone who's life ins't better, at least financially, after getting involved with AP though or with me. Unfortunately, one guy did pass away, but he had heath issues due to his weight before ever getting involved. However, when he left this world he was no longer the person he was when we first met. He was a lot happier and had more money than he needed, and was doing things he never thought he would get to do. He had friends who cared and was part of something, unlike before he got involved.

    There have been plays where I was tipping well over $300 a week for a long time to just a few bartenders. I was only in there for 20 hours a week or less. I have been on lot of plays where I was tipping significant amounts for long periods of time.

    I can think of more things, but I have to go do some stuff around the house for the wife.

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