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  1. #1
    I think the big question here is how long is Dan Druff going to allow this to go on?

    Yeah Dan Druff gets upset when he feels like myself and others are urging him to take the forum in another direction. And that is when he stubbornly doubles down with "my forum, I'll do as I please".

    But the facts are: Bob21 is a troll, a casino supporter/sympathizer banned from several sites and does nothing but be disruptive everywhere he goes. He has one agenda: To attack AP's and he does this by making repeated threads and hijacking numerous other threads with the age old bullshit that AP's contribute nothing. The term for what he does is "flooding". And it isn't tolerated at any forum....well except here.

    Then there is multiple personality, homeless Moses. Banned from most forums, including this one, where it is almost impossible to be banned from. Moses spends his time on a forum where he is literally the only active member. He reprints discussions from numerous other forums and chimes in with his opinions. The problem is that it is a one-sided discussion. No one is answering him. He is the nut-job at the mental hospital sitting in the corner not just talking to himself but conversing with himself. Asking questions and answering himself. Just like some of the street people here in Las Vegas.

    But that is not enough for Moses, so he creates new accounts for his alternative personalities. Moses's mental condition of multiple personalities doesn't change the fact that this is sock puppetry, and supposed to not be allowed here, as it isn't at any other legit forum. Yet Dan allows it.

    I don't care. I really don't. I have long ago given up hope that this site can be anything approaching legitimacy as far as a gambling related forum. It is a trollfest. On the exact same path as now defuncted Gamblers Glen, and Zenzone which has one single active member talking to himself. So I will continue to pop in every now and then when I have nothing better to do (like today while waiting for a delivery) and add to the decline. THAT is Dan's Vision and embracing the likes of Moses and his many personalities and a Bob21, casino supporters with an anti-AP agenda assures what this forum is destine for. What a wasted name and opportunity.

  2. #2
    I can’t fight this battle any more

    That was the post kj made on blackjack the forum on October 10th, 2015. It’s an interesting post since he attacked Norm, the site and several key members, including Freightman, T3, Flash and of course Moses. I didn’t know Moses and kj went so far back. Lol

    You know what Norm’s reply was? This is the ninth time you’ve said you were leaving, stop posting if you want. That’s not exactly what he said but it’s pretty close. If you go on blackjacktheforum and type in the above key words in the search box you will find his post. It’s a must read!

    So kj has a history of attacking moderators and any member he disagrees with, which is basiclaly everybody. He always wants them censored or he’ll take his ball and go home. Problem is he never leaves until the moderators finally get tired of him and kick him off. Sites can only take so much whining, before they finally give him the boot.

    Since kj wasn’t blessed with much intelligence, this is his only defense...he runs and hides or tries to get someone kicked off so he won’t be made to look like the fool he is.

    It’s really sad what kj’s life has become....a constant complainer with no direction and living out his fantasy life on the internet. By the way, Moses did a really good responding to kj on the thread kj started.

    Btw, guess what kj was upset about in this thread? That everybody on BJTF didn’t agree that everybody should use a simple count like Hilo. It doesn’t take much to get kj’s panties twisted in a knot.

    Poor poor KJ, as Moses would say. Lol

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I think the big question here is how long is Dan Druff going to allow this to go on? .
    Poor Poor KJ. It's not going his way. Always the victim.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Yeah Dan Druff gets upset when he feels like myself and others are urging him to take the forum in another direction. And that is when he stubbornly doubles down with "my forum, I'll do as I please". .
    Well duh! It is his forum.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But the facts are: Bob21 is a troll, a casino supporter/sympathizer banned from several sites and does nothing but be disruptive everywhere he goes. He has one agenda: To attack AP's and he does this by making repeated threads and hijacking numerous other threads with the age old bullshit that AP's contribute nothing. The term for what he does is "flooding". And it isn't tolerated at any forum....well except here..
    Anyone who disagrees with KJ is a troll.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Then there is multiple personality, homeless Moses..
    That is a lie. I will bet anyone any amount.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Banned from most forums, including this one, where it is almost impossible to be banned from. Moses spends his time on a forum where he is literally the only active member. He reprints discussions from numerous other forums and chimes in with his opinions. The problem is that it is a one-sided discussion..
    It doesn't have to be. The membership isn't exclusive to just Moses. There are other members. KJ went into many rants at Norm on the same site.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    No one is answering him. He is the nut-job at the mental hospital sitting in the corner not just talking to himself but conversing with himself. Asking questions and answering himself. Just like some of the street people here in Las Vegas..
    You really need to get some help. Your jealously is eating your alive.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But that is not enough for Moses, so he creates new accounts for his alternative personalities. Moses's mental condition of multiple personalities doesn't change the fact that this is sock puppetry, and supposed to not be allowed here, as it isn't at any other legit forum. Yet Dan allows it...
    Another lie. KJ accused Bob 21 of being Moses. Just about anyone who disagrees with KJ the great is either a troll or Moses. GET SOME HELP KJ. The cheese is sliding off your cracker.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't care. I really don't. .
    We know you don't. You'll be back in a day or two ranting again.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I have long ago given up hope that this site can be anything approaching legitimacy as far as a gambling related forum. It is a trollfest..
    Anyone who doesn't agree with KJ is a troll.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    On the exact same path as now defuncted Gamblers Glen, and Zenzone which has one single active member talking to himself. So I will continue to pop in every now and then when I have nothing better to do (like today while waiting for a delivery) and add to the decline..
    Well duh! It happens like 3 times a week. You threaten to leave, leave, come back, and complain. No one even knows you're gone. Then rinse and repeat.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    THAT is Dan's Vision and embracing the likes of Moses and his many personalities and a Bob21, casino supporters with an anti-AP agenda assures what this forum is destine for. What a wasted name and opportunity.
    You really need to get some help KJ. I haven't posted in over a week and now you're throwing a rant. I know Moses but I'm not Moses. Neither is Bob 21 or Tater or T3 or Norm (well maybe Norm). Find your thumb and go sit on the stairs.
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-11-2019 at 05:13 PM.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    I haven't posted in over a week and now you're throwing a rant. I know Moses but I'm not Moses. Neither is Bob 21 or Tater or T3 or Norm (well maybe Norm). Find your thumb and go sit on the stairs.
    Dan Druff, can you at least weigh in on this! Is or isn't UCFX a sock puppet of Moses?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    I haven't posted in over a week and now you're throwing a rant. I know Moses but I'm not Moses. Neither is Bob 21 or Tater or T3 or Norm (well maybe Norm). Find your thumb and go sit on the stairs.
    Dan Druff, can you at least weigh in on this! Is or isn't UCFX a sock puppet of Moses?
    Wait, this UCFD is really that old punk Moses??...wow, what a shock lol

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Wait, this UCFD is really that old punk Moses??...wow, what a shock lol
    I think a personal visit to the old punk would be the greatest gift you could ever give to Moses.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Wait, this UCFD is really that old punk Moses??...wow, what a shock lol
    I think a personal visit to the old punk would be the greatest gift you could ever give to Moses.

    I`m sure he would like that, but in my opinion Reno is a dump...if he`s lonely just have Tater sit on his face again

  8. #8
    Plus 1.

    So there, I’m officially an AP since I did the ‘ol plus 1 thing. I should have really given that post a plus 1,000. I would have done that but I was scared people wouldn’t think I was an AP if I went over the plus one threshold. I wouldn’t want kj to NOT think I’m an AP.

    So KJ, this is more evidence I’m a bonafide AP.

    But all I can say is that was a great, great post!

  9. #9
    The basis of your retort is a lie, douche bag, bob21. I couldn't care less what count players decide to use. Doesn't effect me or what I make in the slightest.

    But here are a few facts. 99% of real players that have made any kind of significant money, do play hi-lo or one of the similar level 1 counts. This includes almost all the known team type players from the last 40 years as well as most solo type players active and playing for any kind of meaningful stakes today.

    The proponents of higher level counts that are active on the blackjack forums are not real players. They are people, who's entire blackjack play takes place on computers, via computer simulations, not on the felt playing real casinos for real money. As a result their arguments are bases on computer simulations, not on real life play or real money earned. These things (simulation results) don't translate into real life play. And they aren't meant to. Computer sims are a tool and the guys using them for this purpose are simply misusing them.

    I don't really care, because I don't care what other players choose to do. If they focus on the wrong thing, they won't succeed. It is that simple. We have overwhelming evidence of this by both that many, many successful players and some current players that can't seem to find that success (I am not going to embarrass anyone by naming names). Look at the approaches and it is easy to see who is who.

    Now I say I don't care what count a player decides for himself, but I do object to this group of proponents, based on their play which doesn't take place in real casinos, nor involve real money, misleading newer players as they do. I objected to that at BJTF, with T3, I object to that here, with Singer and his VP claims. I just don't think that is fair for new players.

    Now, one final thing. I said 99% earlier. That would be because there are players, older players mostly, like a Don Schlesinger and maybe Norm himself, that learned a higher level count 40 years ago....back when blackjack was 52 cards and such a count had some advantageous. And these people played their count throughout the decade and of course made some real money doing so, even after the game began to deteriorate. But they are far and few between. Literally the last of a dying breed. In Today's world of blackjack, with current blackjack conditions, that is not how you win...win real money.....from real casinos.

    So my position is fact based. 99% of real players, who make real money, betting reasonable stakes (higher than red) at real casinos are doing so, with a simplistic approach as far as count. Because there is no advantage to anything more with current conditions. What Count is played is really the very least of what matters in today's blackjack environment. And the proponents of anything else simply aren't real players making real money. They are guys playing on a computer, basing everything on computer simulations, which don't translate into real world play.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-11-2019 at 05:45 PM.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The basis of your retort is a lie, douche bag, bob21. I couldn't care less what count players decide to use. Doesn't effect me or what I make in the slightest.

    But here are a few facts. 99% of real players that have made any kind of significant money, do play hi-lo or one of the similar level 1 counts. This includes almost all the known team type players from the last 40 years as well as most solo type players active and playing for any kind of meaningful stakes today.

    The proponents of higher level counts that are active on the blackjack forums are not real players. They are people, who's entire blackjack play takes place on computers, via computer simulations, not on the felt playing real casinos for real money. As a result their arguments are bases on computer simulations, not on real life play or real money earned. These things (simulation results) don't translate into real life play. And they aren't meant to. Computer sims are a tool and the guys using them for this purpose are simply misusing them.

    I don't really care, because I don't care what other players choose to do. If they focus on the wrong thing, they won't succeed. It is that simple. We have overwhelming evidence of this by both that many, many successful players and some current players that can't seem to find that success (I am not going to embarrass anyone by naming names). Look at the approaches and it is easy to see who is who.

    Now I say I don't care what count a player decides for himself, but I do object to this group of proponents, based on their play which doesn't take place in real casinos, nor involve real money, misleading newer players as they do. I objected to that at BJTF, with T3, I object to that here, with Singer and his VP claims. I just don't think that is fair for new players.

    Now, one final thing. I said 99% earlier. That would be because there are players, older players mostly, like a Don Schlesinger and maybe Norm himself, that learned a higher level count 40 years ago....back when blackjack was 52 cards and such a count had some advantageous. And these people played their count throughout the decade and of course made some real money doing so, even after the game began to deteriorate. But they are far and few between. Literally the last of a dying breed. In Today's world of blackjack, with current blackjack conditions, that is not how you win...win real money.....from real casinos.

    So my position is fact based. 99% of real players, who make real money, betting reasonable stakes (higher than red) at real casinos are doing so, with a simplistic approach as far as count. Because there is no advantage to anything more with current conditions. What Count is played is really the very least of what matters in today's blackjack environment. And the proponents of anything else simply aren't real players making real money. They are guys playing on a computer, basing everything on computer simulations, which don't translate into real world play.
    Kj, this was actually a decent post. I learn from you, and yes, I mostly use a simple count like Hilo, but I try to beef it up with some side counts, since I play mostly DD and single games. That’s why I wanted to understand more what Moses does with his column count. I don’t think it’s that different than what I do with side counting 7s and sometimes aces.

    And yes, I do read a lot AP books (blackjack, sports betting and video poker) and enjoy the gambling/AP world. I see myself doing more of this when I retire. Maybe you, me and Moses can form a team. That would be something for the ages. Lol. By the way, I never hold a grudge, so we’d be good if we’d ever form a team.

    Kj, why can’t someone enjoy something but also feel a little guilty about doing it? Do you think every stripper feels good about what they’re doing? Why can’t a stripper make money stripping but at the same time feel a little guilty? That’s kind of how I am with my APing.

    By the way, if there are any strippers on this site, I don’t want them to think I was disparaging strippers by comparing them to an AP. I would never do this. Strippers add true value to society, unlike APs. That’s a joke. In my bootcamp for APs I’m going to teach APs how to NOT take themselves so seriously. APs really need to lighten up and get a sense of humor. Life’s too short to go through it so high strung.

    There I go again saying what adds value to society and what doesn’t. I know this is a major no no with APs. I need to stop doing this otherwise I’ll lose my AP membership card. Lol.

  11. #11
    So this isn't a real house. Those are not real marble countertops. That's not real hardwood floors. KJ I will write slowly so you get it this time.

    I know Moses. I live with Moses in his house. I set up my own account because YOU wouldn't shut up with your monstrous lies about Moses for a month after he was banned.

    Dan will confirm my email is mine own. I use my own laptop for the most part. Moses can do what he says he can do. But you choose to lie. Yet you won't bet or back up your lies.

    Again, Dan, we invite you to our home and will prove anything Moses has said and lie KJ and Bosox has told. KJ is a well known monstrous liar. That invite extends to MaxPen, MickeyCrimm, REdietz, Monet, Bob 21, Bosox. Axel. Rob Singer. Alan M. Norm, Frank G, Tarzan, T3, Don S. JBJB.

    Thank you for the nice words in post #4 Bob 21. See I told you I was smarter than Moses.
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-11-2019 at 06:05 PM.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    I know Moses. I live with Moses in his house.
    Did you mean to say that you live with Moses in his mind? Or if in fact you meant to say "house", do you homeless people use the term "house" when referring to the homeless shelter?

    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Dan will confirm my email is mine own. I use my own laptop for the most part.
    Ok, well THAT is cleared up. It is a separate email account to create UCFX. Note, to you shit for brains....you HAVE to use a separate email account to create an account.

    The identifying thing for sock puppets is are we talking same IP address, and I am quite sure we are.

    But I do have a question for you UCFX. When you and Moses and Tater, check in to (is that the right terminology) the homeless shelter at night, do you 3 personalities occupying the same half a brain count as 3 homeless people or just one.

    Hey might come in handy at the soup kitchen if you can pull triple the soup and bread. That is about the only advantage play you (three??) have going.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Did you mean to say that you live with Moses in his mind? Or if in fact you meant to say "house", do you homeless people use the term "house" when referring to the homeless shelter?
    Did I stutter? Come on up and find out.


    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Ok, well THAT is cleared up. It is a separate email account to create UCFX. Note, to you shit for brains....you HAVE to use a separate email account to create an account.
    My kids don't even talk to me that way you little punk. My daughter could take care of you. No sweat. For once in your pathetic useless life. PROVE yourself. Moses will. We have extended invitations to those pro and against Moses. But you hide. What is your deal?

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The identifying thing for sock puppets is are we talking same IP address, and I am quite sure we are.
    Well, shit for brains. We live in the same house. Have the same lines going in. I use my laptop. Moses uses his. The only thing your quite sure of is you like men. Put your money where your mouth is.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But I do have a question for you UCFX. When you and Moses and Tater, check in to (is that the right terminology) the homeless shelter at night, do you 3 personalities occupying the same half a brain count as 3 homeless people or just one.
    What is your obsession with homeless people?

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Hey might come in handy at the soup kitchen if you can pull triple the soup and bread. That is about the only advantage play you (three??) have going.
    I have served soup. You have a problem with that?

    Really, you're just wanting to start trouble which you've already proved your unwilling and incapable of backing up. So what's your point?
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-11-2019 at 06:20 PM.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    My daughter could take care of you.
    Yeah, I bet she could "take care of me". Unfortunately I am not into that, nor should you be pimping out your prostitute daughter. But thanks for the offer.

    Edit: Hey my brother might be interested. He brings home some really ugly chicks at times. Apparently his top priority isn't looks, especially at 2 or 3am.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-11-2019 at 07:55 PM.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Yeah, I bet she could "take care of me".
    She is happily married. But if she heard you or anyone talking to her or any ones mother the way you just did? She'd punch them in the throat.
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-11-2019 at 08:45 PM.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    So this isn't a real house. Those are not real marble countertops. That's not real hardwood floors. KJ I will write slowly so you get it this time.

    I know Moses. I live with Moses in his house. I set up my own account because YOU wouldn't shut up with your monstrous lies about Moses for a month after he was banned.

    Dan will confirm my email is mine own. I use my own laptop for the most part. Moses can do what he says he can do. But you choose to lie. Yet you won't bet or back up your lies.

    Again, Dan, we invite you to our home and will prove anything Moses has said and lie KJ and Bosox has told. KJ is a well known monstrous liar. That invite extends to MaxPen, MickeyCrimm, REdietz, Monet, Bob 21, Bosox. Axel. Rob Singer. Alan M. Norm, Frank G, Tarzan, T3, Don S. JBJB.

    Thank you for the nice words in post #4 Bob 21. See I told you I was smarter than Moses.
    I am going to take Moses up on that offer. I’m not playing games when I say I’d like to fly to Reno and spend a weekend with Moses and his friends playing blackjack, hanging out at the sports books, and going out to dinner and taking about who knows what. I can put myself up in a hotel since I have a lot of points so Moses doesn’t need to worry about putting me up anywhere.

    I think this would be a fun weekend and I’d learn from Moses and who knows he might learn something from me. At any rate, I think we’d have a good time.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I am going to take Moses up on that offer. I’m not playing games when I say I’d like to fly to Reno and spend a weekend with Moses and his friends playing blackjack, hanging out at the sports books, and going out to dinner and taking about who knows what. I can put myself up in a hotel since I have a lot of points so Moses doesn’t need to worry about putting me up anywhere.

    I think this would be a fun weekend and I’d learn from Moses and who knows he might learn something from me. At any rate, I think we’d have a good time.
    You're welcome anytime Bob. I recommend Peppermill, Atlantis, and Grand Sierra for the nicest rooms. In that order. I will ask Moses about getting you free nights if you need more.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    You're welcome anytime Bob. I recommend Peppermill, Atlantis, and Grand Sierra for the nicest rooms. In that order. I will ask Moses about getting you free nights if you need more.
    Wow, those are pretty impressive hotels! I just went on the internet to check them out. I didn’t know Reno had hotels/resorts like that. They all look good, but the last one, Grand Sierra, had the most impressive pool. I like hot tubs and pools. The other one I liked was Atlantis. Are they connect with Atlantis in Bahamas? I’ve stayed there before. Pepperment was good too. Doesn’t look like I’d go wrong with any of them.

    It looks like Reno has hotels/resorts that are comparable to Vegas. I’ve been to Vegas several times before but never Reno. It should be a fun trip.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Wow, those are pretty impressive hotels! I just went on the internet to check them out. I didn’t know Reno had hotels/resorts like that. They all look good, but the last one, Grand Sierra, had the most impressive pool. I like hot tubs and pools. The other one I liked was Atlantis. Are they connect with Atlantis in Bahamas? I’ve stayed there before. Pepperment was good too. Doesn’t look like I’d go wrong with any of them.

    It looks like Reno has hotels/resorts that are comparable to Vegas. I’ve been to Vegas several times before but never Reno. It should be a fun trip.
    If you like to golf GSR has it's own driving range. More kids oriented. The Spa at Atlantis is really nice. I'm not sure if they're connected to the one in the Bahamas. Peppermill clearly has the nicest sportsbook. Just remodeled. There are many shuttles running to and from the airports so you wouldn't have to rent a car unless you plan on going to Lake Tahoe. Sportsbook at Atlantis and Peppermill are smoke free. Maybe the tables too. I'm not sure.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    So this isn't a real house. Those are not real marble countertops. That's not real hardwood floors. KJ I will write slowly so you get it this time.

    I know Moses. I live with Moses in his house. I set up my own account because YOU wouldn't shut up with your monstrous lies about Moses for a month after he was banned.

    Dan will confirm my email is mine own. I use my own laptop for the most part. Moses can do what he says he can do. But you choose to lie. Yet you won't bet or back up your lies.

    Again, Dan, we invite you to our home and will prove anything Moses has said and lie KJ and Bosox has told. KJ is a well known monstrous liar. That invite extends to MaxPen, MickeyCrimm, REdietz, Monet, Bob 21, Bosox. Axel. Rob Singer. Alan M. Norm, Frank G, Tarzan, T3, Don S. JBJB.

    Thank you for the nice words in post #4 Bob 21. See I told you I was smarter than Moses.
    You`re not really bragging or proud of that are you?.....There`s a raccoon that tries to get into my garbage cans every night that has a higher IQ than that deadbeat lol

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