Originally Posted by
kewlJ
The basis of your retort is a lie, douche bag, bob21. I couldn't care less what count players decide to use. Doesn't effect me or what I make in the slightest.
But here are a few facts. 99% of real players that have made any kind of significant money, do play hi-lo or one of the similar level 1 counts. This includes almost all the known team type players from the last 40 years as well as most solo type players active and playing for any kind of meaningful stakes today.
The proponents of higher level counts that are active on the blackjack forums are not real players. They are people, who's entire blackjack play takes place on computers, via computer simulations, not on the felt playing real casinos for real money. As a result their arguments are bases on computer simulations, not on real life play or real money earned. These things (simulation results) don't translate into real life play. And they aren't meant to. Computer sims are a tool and the guys using them for this purpose are simply misusing them.
I don't really care, because I don't care what other players choose to do. If they focus on the wrong thing, they won't succeed. It is that simple. We have overwhelming evidence of this by both that many, many successful players and some current players that can't seem to find that success (I am not going to embarrass anyone by naming names). Look at the approaches and it is easy to see who is who.
Now I say I don't care what count a player decides for himself, but I do object to this group of proponents, based on their play which doesn't take place in real casinos, nor involve real money, misleading newer players as they do. I objected to that at BJTF, with T3, I object to that here, with Singer and his VP claims. I just don't think that is fair for new players.
Now, one final thing. I said 99% earlier. That would be because there are players, older players mostly, like a Don Schlesinger and maybe Norm himself, that learned a higher level count 40 years ago....back when blackjack was 52 cards and such a count had some advantageous. And these people played their count throughout the decade and of course made some real money doing so, even after the game began to deteriorate. But they are far and few between. Literally the last of a dying breed. In Today's world of blackjack, with current blackjack conditions, that is not how you win...win real money.....from real casinos.
So my position is fact based. 99% of real players, who make real money, betting reasonable stakes (higher than red) at real casinos are doing so, with a simplistic approach as far as count. Because there is no advantage to anything more with current conditions. What Count is played is really the very least of what matters in today's blackjack environment. And the proponents of anything else simply aren't real players making real money. They are guys playing on a computer, basing everything on computer simulations, which don't translate into real world play.