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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Thought you were going shopping you friggin BS`r?...lol
    Are your stalking me?

    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    ....Moses has no intention of backing up his words.
    There is only one way to find out. I haven't seen him back down from anything yet in the 8 years I've known him. PM me and I will help make arrangements. OR PM him at Zen Zone. Seems to me like you're the one backing down. Seriously, if you're only capable of halfwit comebacks, it's okay, just say so, and all can stop wasting their time. You do realize you're defending KJ who now claims he is more than 120 lbs and can pop his own zits.

  2. #62
    I really don't think there is a big question. If you look at Dan's track record at Poker Fraud Alert, a site he owned for a lot of years before he bought this one, he's big on freedom of speech. The content over there gets a lot worse than here. He's just going to continue doing it the way he does it and no amount of influence will work on him.

    The best way to handle people like slob21 is to put him on block. That's what I did and it has eliminated a big headache. Arguing with slob21 is an exercise in futility. When you zig he zags and when you zag he zigs. Fuck an idiot like that. Quit trading posts with him and put him on block.
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I really don't think there is a big question. If you look at Dan's track record at Poker Fraud Alert, a site he owned for a lot of years before he bought this one, he's big on freedom of speech. The content over there gets a lot worse than here. He's just going to continue doing it the way he does it and no amount of influence will work on him.

    The best way to handle people like slob21 is to put him on block. That's what I did and it has eliminated a big headache. Arguing with slob21 is an exercise in futility. When you zig he zags and when you zag he zigs. Fuck an idiot like that. Quit trading posts with him and put him on block.
    This is the 4th time Mickey has reminded me (and anybody who wants to listen to him) that he has me on block. This means Mickey is over obsessed with me. I’m sorry it’s come to that.

    Here’s a tip for all those who want to ignore or block someone. Just ignore or block them. Don’t send out a post every other day telling everybody you’ve got someone on block. This just shows everybody you’re obsessed with them. There’s several people that do this on BJTF too and it just makes them look like idiots.

    Here’s another tip. Mickey, you get two today since I’m in a good mode. We’re all adults on this site. Most people don’t like to be told what to do. If you want to put me on block that’s your choice. When you tell other people what to do, they will usually do the opposite. Very rarely does a boycott on something or someone work. Why? Because we’re individuals and people don’t like to be told what to do.

    Don’t take any of this advice the wrong way Mickey. You seem like a good guy. I like most of your posts. You’re spot on with Trump.

  4. #64
    IMO MickeyCrimm is his own man. IF he says something, then by God, he is willing to back it up. Someone somewhere along the way turned this into a sight of one team vs another. AP vs Anti AP as KJ the great puts it. I see people for who they are, not what they have. IF Dan is going to allow this as a site to incite the he must turned a blind eye to the fight.

    IF you put real men together, incite and fight, is as common as peanut butter and jelly. Norm and WOV, from what little I now, have done a complete 180. No incite! No fight!
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-14-2019 at 07:27 AM.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I really don't think there is a big question. If you look at Dan's track record at Poker Fraud Alert, a site he owned for a lot of years before he bought this one, he's big on freedom of speech. The content over there gets a lot worse than here. He's just going to continue doing it the way he does it and no amount of influence will work on him.

    The best way to handle people like slob21 is to put him on block. That's what I did and it has eliminated a big headache. Arguing with slob21 is an exercise in futility. When you zig he zags and when you zag he zigs. Fuck an idiot like that. Quit trading posts with him and put him on block.
    This is the 4th time Mickey has reminded me (and anybody who wants to listen to him) that he has me on block. This means Mickey is over obsessed with me. I’m sorry it’s come to that.

    Here’s a tip for all those who want to ignore or block someone. Just ignore or block them. Don’t send out a post every other day telling everybody you’ve got someone on block. This just shows everybody you’re obsessed with them. There’s several people that do this on BJTF too and it just makes them look like idiots.

    Here’s another tip. Mickey, you get two today since I’m in a good mode. We’re all adults on this site. Most people don’t like to be told what to do. If you want to put me on block that’s your choice. When you tell other people what to do, they will usually do the opposite. Very rarely does a boycott on something or someone work. Why? Because we’re individuals and people don’t like to be told what to do.

    Don’t take any of this advice the wrong way Mickey. You seem like a good guy. I like most of your posts. You’re spot on with Trump.
    As president of the Bob21 fan club, I was the one who recommended that mickey block you. Responding to mickey would just slow down the volume and quality of the wisdom that Bob21 imparts each and every day on this forum. At 4 1/2 posts per day, however, Bob21 needs to step on the gas a bit to catch the 6 posts per day tallied by the forum's previous owner. I hope and pray Bob21 is up the challenge. I suspect he can do it, as Bob21's posts seem to be increasing as we speak. We can all thank God for that.

    And remember our mantras:

    "APs -- Not Noble."

    "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me."

    "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Smell Mine."

  6. #66
    Mr. redietz/Bob 21: Keystone is not an AP, yet very "noble" in his defense of KJ who is the ultimate AP. Which mantra does that one fall under?

  7. #67
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Mr. redietz/Bob 21: Keystone is not an AP, yet very "noble" in his defense of KJ who is the ultimate AP. Which mantra does that one fall under?
    You'll have to ask Bob21. He's the man with the mantras.

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I really don't think there is a big question. If you look at Dan's track record at Poker Fraud Alert, a site he owned for a lot of years before he bought this one, he's big on freedom of speech. The content over there gets a lot worse than here. He's just going to continue doing it the way he does it and no amount of influence will work on him.
    I guess I should have looked into Dan's track record a bit more before I started here. Because of how things ended at the last site we were on Mickey, with the forum owner turning out to be a complete nut job, who himself used sock puppets to promote his own voodoo roulette system sales and other things, I jumped at the idea of participating at a site run by a professional poker player, thinking it would be run in a professional manner, on topic of what the name suggests and not just be a third grade playground type fight club for his own amusement. That is on me, as that is what always happens with "ass-u-me".

    I do disagree with both your and Dan's use of "freedom of speech". Allowing someone like Alan to talk about seeing 18 y.o.'s in a row when he didn't is freedom of speech. Allowing Singer to make his VP claims, when the math says it is impossible is freedom of speech. But when these guys run out of arguments, which they do fairly quickly because the math is not on their side and they start with Homophobic hate rants like Singer, Moses (and his socks) and Blackhole do, that is NOT freedom of speech. Allowing the racial slurs of calling people niggers as Singer does is NOT freedom of speech. These things are just hate and it becomes a "hate site" having nothing to do with the topic of gambling, Vegas, or casinos as the name suggests.

    Freedoms have limitations. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded space. A person has the right to swing his fist, but that right ends at someone else's nose. And then there is limitations of just human decency. You don't attack someone's dead spouse who wasn't even a member of the forum as Singer has done on 3 occasions now (with 3 different members). That is just the act of a sick person. If that is someone's argument or answer to a discussion, then they are really out of answers aren't they?

    I was not trying to influence Dan to give up on free speech that he values. I was just hoping to influence him to balance it with a little human decency.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-14-2019 at 08:23 AM.

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    You'll have to ask Bob21. He's the man with the mantras.
    Thank you for clarifying.

    KJ. Moses has NEVER called anyone a nigger. I've seen him, first hand, stand beside his black friends who were called this name, in that word that horrifies you, a physical confrontation. We have friends who are gay and some in our family. But they do not play the homo card in order to duck out of trouble. Clearly, you enjoy stirring the pot, and then when the heat gets too hot, you play the don't touch me "I'm gay" card.

    Yet you always have be KJ the poor victim just like you've done in the post above. Well, I have news for you young man. People who are gay don't always have to be running around defending themselves. It's people like you who constantly flaunt it that makes it difficult for them. Really, you have a problem with Singer because he is anti AP? Who in heavens name cares?

    So let me ask you detective Bosox. Suppose a guy can take a gun that fires one shot and turns it into a gun that will shoot 50 rounds per second because of a flaw he discovered in the manufacturer of the gun. Someone pushes him too far and hundreds of innocent are killed or severely injured. Who is at fault?

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I was the one who recommended that mickey block you.
    Good advice Redietz! If thatís the case, can you tell Mickey I got the message? Heís now posted 4 times that heís blocked me. Iím putting the over/under at 7 when Mickey finally stops letting everybody know heís blocked me. Since youíre the one telling Mickey what to do, do you want to take a bet on this?

    Also, tell Mickey the best way to not become obsessed with someone is to just stop responding to them. Mentioning someone in a post every other post indicates Mickey is still obsessed with me. I wish he could move on.

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I really don't think there is a big question. If you look at Dan's track record at Poker Fraud Alert, a site he owned for a lot of years before he bought this one, he's big on freedom of speech. The content over there gets a lot worse than here. He's just going to continue doing it the way he does it and no amount of influence will work on him.

    The best way to handle people like slob21 is to put him on block. That's what I did and it has eliminated a big headache. Arguing with slob21 is an exercise in futility. When you zig he zags and when you zag he zigs. Fuck an idiot like that. Quit trading posts with him and put him on block.
    This is the 4th time Mickey has reminded me (and anybody who wants to listen to him) that he has me on block. This means Mickey is over obsessed with me. I’m sorry it’s come to that.

    Here’s a tip for all those who want to ignore or block someone. Just ignore or block them. Don’t send out a post every other day telling everybody you’ve got someone on block. This just shows everybody you’re obsessed with them. There’s several people that do this on BJTF too and it just makes them look like idiots.

    Here’s another tip. Mickey, you get two today since I’m in a good mode. We’re all adults on this site. Most people don’t like to be told what to do. If you want to put me on block that’s your choice. When you tell other people what to do, they will usually do the opposite. Very rarely does a boycott on something or someone work. Why? Because we’re individuals and people don’t like to be told what to do.

    Don’t take any of this advice the wrong way Mickey. You seem like a good guy. I like most of your posts. You’re spot on with Trump.
    As president of the Bob21 fan club, I was the one who recommended that mickey block you. Responding to mickey would just slow down the volume and quality of the wisdom that Bob21 imparts each and every day on this forum. At 4 1/2 posts per day, however, Bob21 needs to step on the gas a bit to catch the 6 posts per day tallied by the forum's previous owner. I hope and pray Bob21 is up the challenge. I suspect he can do it, as Bob21's posts seem to be increasing as we speak. We can all thank God for that.

    And remember our mantras:

    "APs -- Not Noble."

    "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me."

    "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Smell Mine."
    As the Thought Leader of Mankind, people often forget that Bob21's burden of proof is much lower (somewhere between none and zero) than anyone else's.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    This is the 4th time Mickey has reminded me (and anybody who wants to listen to him) that he has me on block. This means Mickey is over obsessed with me. I’m sorry it’s come to that.

    Here’s a tip for all those who want to ignore or block someone. Just ignore or block them. Don’t send out a post every other day telling everybody you’ve got someone on block. This just shows everybody you’re obsessed with them. There’s several people that do this on BJTF too and it just makes them look like idiots.

    Here’s another tip. Mickey, you get two today since I’m in a good mode. We’re all adults on this site. Most people don’t like to be told what to do. If you want to put me on block that’s your choice. When you tell other people what to do, they will usually do the opposite. Very rarely does a boycott on something or someone work. Why? Because we’re individuals and people don’t like to be told what to do.

    Don’t take any of this advice the wrong way Mickey. You seem like a good guy. I like most of your posts. You’re spot on with Trump.
    As president of the Bob21 fan club, I was the one who recommended that mickey block you. Responding to mickey would just slow down the volume and quality of the wisdom that Bob21 imparts each and every day on this forum. At 4 1/2 posts per day, however, Bob21 needs to step on the gas a bit to catch the 6 posts per day tallied by the forum's previous owner. I hope and pray Bob21 is up the challenge. I suspect he can do it, as Bob21's posts seem to be increasing as we speak. We can all thank God for that.

    And remember our mantras:

    "APs -- Not Noble."

    "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me."

    "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Smell Mine."
    As the Thought Leader of Mankind, people often forget that Bob21's burden of proof is much lower (somewhere between none and zero) than anyone else's.
    Ive really got you and redietz panties in a knot. Sorry about that. Is this your opinion of Stanford Wong and Max Rubin too? Because their opinions align with mine.

    I encourage you to get a subscription to BJA and listen to the podcast with Max Rubin. He makes fun of APs in a way I would never do. He’s says they are so cheap they can’t even enjoy a night out on the town with their buddies. Why? Because all they will be thinking about is how they can get something for free or how they can avoid not tipping someone.

    If you have a sense of humor, you’ll laugh. If you don’t, you'll be very upset at Max Rubin. On second thought since you don’t appear like you have much of a sense of humor you’d probably be better off if you didn’t listen to it.

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    As president of the Bob21 fan club, I was the one who recommended that mickey block you. Responding to mickey would just slow down the volume and quality of the wisdom that Bob21 imparts each and every day on this forum. At 4 1/2 posts per day, however, Bob21 needs to step on the gas a bit to catch the 6 posts per day tallied by the forum's previous owner. I hope and pray Bob21 is up the challenge. I suspect he can do it, as Bob21's posts seem to be increasing as we speak. We can all thank God for that.

    And remember our mantras:

    "APs -- Not Noble."

    "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me."

    "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Smell Mine."
    As the Thought Leader of Mankind, people often forget that Bob21's burden of proof is much lower (somewhere between none and zero) than anyone else's.
    Ive really got you and redietz panties in a knot. Sorry about that. Is this your opinion of Stanford Wong and Max Rubin too? Because their opinions align with mine.

    I encourage you to get a subscription to BJA and listen to the podcast with Max Rubin. He makes fun of APs in a way I would never do. He’s says they are so cheap they can’t even enjoy a night out on the town with their buddies. Why? Because all they will be thinking about is how they can get something for free or how they can avoid not tipping someone.

    If you have a sense of humor, you’ll laugh. If you don’t, you'll be very upset at Max Rubin. On second thought since you don’t appear like you have much of a sense of humor you’d probably be better off if you didn’t listen to it.
    Redietz is the president of your fan club, so I am not clear on why you think his panties are in a knot.

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    This is the 4th time Mickey has reminded me (and anybody who wants to listen to him) that he has me on block. This means Mickey is over obsessed with me.
    The only one who is obsessed with you is YOU. You're like a broken record on endless repeat. Get over yourself professor, nobody cares about your lectures and opinions. Just go jump in a lake and save us from all your useless drivel.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Redietz is the president of your fan club, so I am not clear on why you think his panties are in a knot.
    Have you read any of his posts? Redietz doesn’t have a clue. He doesn’t even know how to do sarcasm well.

    When I put my Bootcamp for APs together, I’m going to have a section on humor and sarcasm. Hopefully, you two will be able to attend so you can learn how to lighen up and not take life so seriously. Like Max Rubin, I’ve found APs are so highly strung they have a hard time enjoying life.

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    As president of the Bob21 fan club, I was the one who recommended that mickey block you. Responding to mickey would just slow down the volume and quality of the wisdom that Bob21 imparts each and every day on this forum. At 4 1/2 posts per day, however, Bob21 needs to step on the gas a bit to catch the 6 posts per day tallied by the forum's previous owner. I hope and pray Bob21 is up the challenge. I suspect he can do it, as Bob21's posts seem to be increasing as we speak. We can all thank God for that.

    And remember our mantras:

    "APs -- Not Noble."

    "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me."

    "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Smell Mine."
    As the Thought Leader of Mankind, people often forget that Bob21's burden of proof is much lower (somewhere between none and zero) than anyone else's.
    Ive really got you and redietz panties in a knot. Sorry about that. Is this your opinion of Stanford Wong and Max Rubin too? Because their opinions align with mine.

    I encourage you to get a subscription to BJA and listen to the podcast with Max Rubin. He makes fun of APs in a way I would never do. He’s says they are so cheap they can’t even enjoy a night out on the town with their buddies. Why? Because all they will be thinking about is how they can get something for free or how they can avoid not tipping someone.

    If you have a sense of humor, you’ll laugh. If you don’t, you'll be very upset at Max Rubin. On second thought since you don’t appear like you have much of a sense of humor you’d probably be better off if you didn’t listen to it.
    Max Rubin is a steaming pile of shit. He's no friend of any true AP. He's a traitor!

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    As the Thought Leader of Mankind, people often forget that Bob21's burden of proof is much lower (somewhere between none and zero) than anyone else's.
    Ive really got you and redietz panties in a knot. Sorry about that. Is this your opinion of Stanford Wong and Max Rubin too? Because their opinions align with mine.

    I encourage you to get a subscription to BJA and listen to the podcast with Max Rubin. He makes fun of APs in a way I would never do. He’s says they are so cheap they can’t even enjoy a night out on the town with their buddies. Why? Because all they will be thinking about is how they can get something for free or how they can avoid not tipping someone.

    If you have a sense of humor, you’ll laugh. If you don’t, you'll be very upset at Max Rubin. On second thought since you don’t appear like you have much of a sense of humor you’d probably be better off if you didn’t listen to it.
    Max Rubin is a steaming pile of shit. He's no friend of any true AP. He's a traitor!
    I actually respect you for saying this jbjb. At least you’re consistent. Consistency in my book counts for a lot. As Bosox has pointed out many times, while some people might not agree with me, at least I’m consistent, no matter what handle I have. I don’t zig or zag! People know where I stand. I’m like this on everything. I’m not wish washy on what I believe.

    I’ve never understood why APs like Max Rubin. I’ve never understood the double standard they judge him and his casino on. Max uses people on both ends for his own purposes, which is to make himself wealthy by promoting his casino, Borna. It was Max’s idea to start BJ Hall of Fame to give his casino more name recognition, which draws more customers to his casino.

    He basically uses APs to promote his casino, Borna, through the BJ Hall of Fame, which is basically a tourist trap, and then he bars any AP that comes into his casinos.

    It’s shocking to me that APs have fallen for this. I get having a Hall of Fame to honor APs, but it shouldn’t be in a casino that bars APs. This is the height of hypocrisy.

    I am an AP, and I’m impressed by what some APs have accomplished. Personally, if I was in this select group of APs that are famous, and have accomplished something, I would not want to be part of a tourist trap in a casino that had no respect for APs, and was using me for their own financial gain.

    But that’s just me. I know other people have other opinions, and I respect that.

  18. #78
    Cliff notes please?
    #FreeTyde

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Cliff notes please?
    I don't reckon there any fellers named Cliff round here. Mmmm Hmmm It appears some jumped offer one though. Hmmmha

  20. #80
    The Cliff notes. The Blackjack Hall of Fame was started by Max Rubin in 2002 to promote Barona casino. I didn't know this until I did my own research on it. The following article does a good job describing the situation.

    https://www.countingedge.com/blackjack-hall-of-fame/

    2002 was the year Max Rubin started managing Barona. Question: What was Max's real motive in starting the BJ Hall of Fame? Was it promote famous AP people or was it to draw more people to his casino so he could make money off them?

    It's interesting that Barona honors advantage players, while at the same time refusing to let them play in their casino, and, in fact, it's one of the sweater casinos and doesn't want any advantage players.

    Does anybody see any hypocrisy in this?

    If I was a famous advantage player, I'd prefer to have The BJ Hall of Fame housed somewhere else besides a casino. But apparently they don't care or see the conflict of interest.

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