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  1. #181
    Kewlj- you could be correct on most of what you say- but this is a gambling forum. We all, in one way or another grope for answers and sometimes use them for our own selfish reasons. But telling others to play on and not stop at a reasonable win has surely cost me tons of money as compared to stopping. And it doesn't hurt near as much to try a strategy and if it doesn't work simply discard it. Take the case of Neily 777 on YouTube. Yes I grasp at every REASONABLE strategy just because my wife sometimes like to play the penny machines. He has a cash me out strategy that does work. So last week he gets up to an $800 cashout and dumps it into a machine to see if he can get maybe a few hundred more. As good luck would have it, he hits the $20k jackpot. Here is where he's excited about the cash in his pocket and starts another of his strategies at mega amounts. His last words were-"well folks- that's how you toss $1,000 in a few minutes.

  2. #182
    Everyone posting on YouTube is a losing player.

  3. #183
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Kewlj- you could be correct on most of what you say- but this is a gambling forum. We all, in one way or another grope for answers and sometimes use them for our own selfish reasons. But telling others to play on and not stop at a reasonable win has surely cost me tons of money as compared to stopping. And it doesn't hurt near as much to try a strategy and if it doesn't work simply discard it. Take the case of Neily 777 on YouTube. Yes I grasp at every REASONABLE strategy just because my wife sometimes like to play the penny machines. He has a cash me out strategy that does work. So last week he gets up to an $800 cashout and dumps it into a machine to see if he can get maybe a few hundred more. As good luck would have it, he hits the $20k jackpot. Here is where he's excited about the cash in his pocket and starts another of his strategies at mega amounts. His last words were-"well folks- that's how you toss $1,000 in a few minutes.
    Slingshot, I am not a 'gambler', so it is very difficult for me to relate to most of what you say. I mean no offense by that. Gambling for entertainment within reason, within budget, is fine as a hobby activity if that is something you enjoy, as long as you keep it within what you can afford to lose. In fairness I do a tiny bit of this myself, with sportsbetting, especially during football season.... a handful of small wagers, usually televised games. But I have no delusion this is a winning activity or a +EV activity. While it is possible to bet sports at an advantage it is above my ability as it is most (think Singer 5 picks, which has failed like 4 times now).

    So anyway, if gambling is your entertainment...power to you. But I do have a problem with people believing any of these voodoo concepts like stop limits, whether it is you reading Singer's nonsense, or viewing youtube nonsense, is going to change anything. You are gambling at a disadvantage and in the long run you are going to lose. PERIOD!

    So you hit some sort of win target and you stop. All you are doing is preserving a temporary positive swing in variance for that day. I suppose if you never play again, you are preserving that short term variance forever, but I haven't heard anyone that employs stop limits talk a bout never playing again.

    So if you are going to play again, you have changed nothing. Future losses are going to overtake that short-term positive fluctuation, whether you play your next round or spin, in 30 seconds, tomorrow or next month. IT HAS TO because you are playing a losing game (-EV). Thinking you are changing any kind of future results by strategically stopping after slight positive variance is pure nonsense. It really is. It is voodoo. There is no betting system, including stop limits that can overcome negative expectation. This is a mathematical FACT. If you are playing a -EV game, you can not win long-term. It is mathematically impossible.

  4. #184
    Kew is simply reacting to his hurt over this. He's the Don Lemon of this forum. He will never get over anything but his own failures.

  5. #185
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew is simply reacting to his hurt over this. He's the Don Lemon of this forum. He will never get over anything but his own failures.
    You are just a troll Argentino. You prove that more and more each day. Even if it turns out you are some sort of advantage player, sometimes playing with an advantage, you have a 20 year existence as one of the biggest internet trolls, probably the single biggest troll in the gambling community forums.

    And a hypocrite to boot. Here is a little tidbit for the forum. Despite Argentino's anti-gay hate that he frequently spews, a member of his immediate family identifies as gay/bisexual. And Argentino is very accepting this family member, proving once again, what a freaking phony he is.

    But first, can we get back to you exposing where I work. I remain very anxious to learn what kind of work I do. Yeah, you never followed through on that, just as you don't follow through on almost everything, because you can't. You just deflect with hate rhetoric, or disappear for a brief period and then return like nothing ever happened.

    Argentino, you must really hate that I know your every move before you even make it. I mean who didn't see this latest episode coming when weeks ago, you floated the idea that you were really an AP, and the last 20 years as been...how did you put it....your internet persona? And it isn't you Argentino....you are just a troll, and not even all that good at it. Very easy to read.

    So please, I am waiting on that where I work / what kind of work I do information.

  6. #186
    Kew, this will bother you until the end of time. That is where your inimitable weakness over me lies. Sour pusses Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon all rolled into one. Crossed wires and all.

    Keep on reeling.....

  7. #187
    So it ends. What an incredible finish. The Hatfields and McCoys square off for a huge grudge match and Mr. Singer pulls off his mask. Hold your fire! I'm one of you after all! Unreal. This is the stuff of legend.
    Unknowingly and unwittingly (save Rob Singer) , everyone had a role to play. And everyone was perfect. Singer, Mickeycrimm, Alan Mendelson, Kew, Coach Belly, Blackhole, Alexwolf, Sling and dozens of others now gone. Heroes and villains to their liking.

    Hey Rob, congratulations to you. Axel says he hears the ring of truth to it all.

    Meanwhile I've gathered thousands of words as articulate and sensible as are out there about playing VP. For the everyday average casino visitor. During your protracted debate with the forum you put a lot of excellent material out there.

    Thanks for that.

  8. #188
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Kewlj- you could be correct on most of what you say- but this is a gambling forum. We all, in one way or another grope for answers and sometimes use them for our own selfish reasons. But telling others to play on and not stop at a reasonable win has surely cost me tons of money as compared to stopping. And it doesn't hurt near as much to try a strategy and if it doesn't work simply discard it. Take the case of Neily 777 on YouTube. Yes I grasp at every REASONABLE strategy just because my wife sometimes like to play the penny machines. He has a cash me out strategy that does work. So last week he gets up to an $800 cashout and dumps it into a machine to see if he can get maybe a few hundred more. As good luck would have it, he hits the $20k jackpot. Here is where he's excited about the cash in his pocket and starts another of his strategies at mega amounts. His last words were-"well folks- that's how you toss $1,000 in a few minutes.
    Slingshot, I am not a 'gambler', so it is very difficult for me to relate to most of what you say. I mean no offense by that. Gambling for entertainment within reason, within budget, is fine as a hobby activity if that is something you enjoy, as long as you keep it within what you can afford to lose. In fairness I do a tiny bit of this myself, with sportsbetting, especially during football season.... a handful of small wagers, usually televised games. But I have no delusion this is a winning activity or a +EV activity. While it is possible to bet sports at an advantage it is above my ability as it is most (think Singer 5 picks, which has failed like 4 times now).

    So anyway, if gambling is your entertainment...power to you. But I do have a problem with people believing any of these voodoo concepts like stop limits, whether it is you reading Singer's nonsense, or viewing youtube nonsense, is going to change anything. You are gambling at a disadvantage and in the long run you are going to lose. PERIOD!

    So you hit some sort of win target and you stop. All you are doing is preserving a temporary positive swing in variance for that day. I suppose if you never play again, you are preserving that short term variance forever, but I haven't heard anyone that employs stop limits talk a bout never playing again.

    So if you are going to play again, you have changed nothing. Future losses are going to overtake that short-term positive fluctuation, whether you play your next round or spin, in 30 seconds, tomorrow or next month. IT HAS TO because you are playing a losing game (-EV). Thinking you are changing any kind of future results by strategically stopping after slight positive variance is pure nonsense. It really is. It is voodoo. There is no betting system, including stop limits that can overcome negative expectation. This is a mathematical FACT. If you are playing a -EV game, you can not win long-term. It is mathematically impossible.
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew is simply reacting to his hurt over this. He's the Don Lemon of this forum. He will never get over anything but his own failures.
    Rob, please do not dismiss and divert what KewlJ said above. Give the counterpoint to his argument as you have two followers on this board who count on your direction. Don't let them down.

  9. #189
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    Rob, please do not dismiss and divert what KewlJ said above. Give the counterpoint to his argument as you have two followers on this board who count on your direction. Don't let them down.
    Funny Bosox. .

    There is no counterpoint. Never was. The owner of this forum, among others pointed out that what Rob claims is mathematically impossible. Rob didn't respond to that either because THERE IS NO RESPONSE.

    And Rob's 'followerer' aren't really followerer at all. Just members that enjoy his drama and game playing.

    And this is just the latest chapter. Rob has changed his story at the last minute saying his claims of 20 years were only to cover his tracks. Complete bullshit! There were no tracks to cover. He thinks he is fooling everyone, but he isn't.

  10. #190
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    So it ends. What an incredible finish. The Hatfields and McCoys square off for a huge grudge match and Mr. Singer pulls off his mask. Hold your fire! I'm one of you after all! Unreal. This is the stuff of legend.
    Unknowingly and unwittingly (save Rob Singer) , everyone had a role to play. And everyone was perfect. Singer, Mickeycrimm, Alan Mendelson, Kew, Coach Belly, Blackhole, Alexwolf, Sling and dozens of others now gone. Heroes and villains to their liking.

    Hey Rob, congratulations to you. Axel says he hears the ring of truth to it a

    Meanwhile I've gathered thousands of words as articulate and sensible as are out there about playing VP. For the everyday average casino visitor. During your protracted debate with the forum you put a lot of excellent material out there.

    Thanks for that.
    Does feel like Avengers: Endgame
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

  11. #191
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    So it ends. What an incredible finish. The Hatfields and McCoys square off for a huge grudge match and Mr. Singer pulls off his mask. Hold your fire! I'm one of you after all! Unreal. This is the stuff of legend.
    Unknowingly and unwittingly (save Rob Singer) , everyone had a role to play. And everyone was perfect. Singer, Mickeycrimm, Alan Mendelson, Kew, Coach Belly, Blackhole, Alexwolf, Sling and dozens of others now gone. Heroes and villains to their liking.

    Hey Rob, congratulations to you. Axel says he hears the ring of truth to it all.

    Meanwhile I've gathered thousands of words as articulate and sensible as are out there about playing VP. For the everyday average casino visitor. During your protracted debate with the forum you put a lot of excellent material out there.

    Thanks for that.
    Although I was played, it gave me the confidence in my decision in choosing the way I now play.

  12. #192
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    Although I was played, it gave me the confidence in my decision in choosing the way I now play.
    This makes no sense slingshot. You were played...yes and you should be mad as hell. I am not wishing anything bad for you but that is the facts. And others that were played or used such as Alan was used when he taped those segments with Singer explaining his bullshit. Alan was used or played! You guys should be pissed. We tried to tell you guys and I take no pleasure that this is how it ended for you. But geez...it is time to stand up and say this guy Singer is full of shit.

  13. #193
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    Although I was played, it gave me the confidence in my decision in choosing the way I now play.
    This makes no sense slingshot. You were played...yes and you should be mad as hell. I am not wishing anything bad for you but that is the facts. And others that were played or used such as Alan was used when he taped those segments with Singer explaining his bullshit. Alan was used or played! You guys should be pissed. We tried to tell you guys and I take no pleasure that this is how it ended for you. But geez...it is time to stand up and say this guy Singer is full of shit.
    I don't consider what I learned as BS.. I was left with the feeling I was not grasping key points-"He doesn't understand ALL my strategies...". Now I know it's no big deal. I think we all have gone through life and at one point or another put someone too high on a pedestal. Strangely- and I don't know if anyone gets this- my confidence level just shot upwards.

  14. #194
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    Although I was played, it gave me the confidence in my decision in choosing the way I now play.
    This makes no sense slingshot. You were played...yes and you should be mad as hell. I am not wishing anything bad for you but that is the facts. And others that were played or used such as Alan was used when he taped those segments with Singer explaining his bullshit. Alan was used or played! You guys should be pissed. We tried to tell you guys and I take no pleasure that this is how it ended for you. But geez...it is time to stand up and say this guy Singer is full of shit.
    I don't consider what I learned as BS.. I was left with the feeling I was not grasping key points-"He doesn't understand ALL my strategies...". Now I know it's no big deal. I think we all have gone through life and at one point or another put someone too high on a pedestal. Strangely- and I don't know if anyone gets this- my confidence level just shot upwards.
    Slingshot, well said. Almost poignant. It wasn't BS. It doesn't change anything. You still have all the principals of play he gave out and what you did with them.

    Look at it as the end of an era though. Singer's voice will most likely become silent on that subject now.

    Kew is wrong, there is nothing for you to be pissed or upset about. Let each of the others react the way they want to.

    I get what you're saying.

  15. #195
    I don't know who said it, but I think PhurumpPete Did " Axel said/thinks it had a ring if truth" Don't misquote me or guess what my thoughts are.

    I tried to be unbiased and report what I was told. You guy's can figure out the truth. I do believe it should be not all that hard to prove somehow.

    Personally I don't get why someone would take credit for something they didn't do.

    However, people do that all the time. I see it in AP, I see it in all other areas as well. I would think someone like Ron would have retained some kind of proof.

    He said something about a lie detector test. Perhaps we can come up with something and even make side bets.

    Rob pays for it if he fails, others pay if he passes. Then we can make side bets either way.

  16. #196
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't know who said it, but I think PhurumpPete Did " Axel said/thinks it had a ring if truth" Don't misquote me or guess what my thoughts are.

    I tried to be unbiased and report what I was told. You guy's can figure out the truth. I do believe it should be not all that hard to prove somehow.

    Personally I don't get why someone would take credit for something they didn't do.

    However, people do that all the time. I see it in AP, I see it in all other areas as well. I would think someone like Ron would have retained some kind of proof.

    He said something about a lie detector test. Perhaps we can come up with something and even make side bets.

    Rob pays for it if he fails, others pay if he passes. Then we can make side bets either way.
    You definitely seem to have a chip on your shoulder. You spoke about voodoo magic to me, but told Kewlj the "play" was like finding a shuffle machine and knowing exactly when the blackjack would occur. ESP?? How long do you wait to push the play button? Kewlj is starting to make some sense. I can't believe I just said that!

  17. #197
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    You definitely seem to have a chip on your shoulder. You spoke about voodoo magic to me, but told Kewlj the "play" was like finding a shuffle machine and knowing exactly when the blackjack would occur. ESP?? How long do you wait to push the play button? Kewlj is starting to make some sense. I can't believe I just said that!
    Don't be afraid to embrace a little common sense slingshot. You embraced the tall tales and how did that work out?

    Speaking of which lets go over the "Singer Tales" just since I have been on this forum.

    1.) he made just under a million dollars over 10 years, playing the singer, progressive betting, stop limit strategy. (mathematically impossible)

    2.) Later the number increase to 1.5 million over 10 years.

    3.) Recently he changed this to he made 376k over 4 years, but made and additional 3 million over 6 years with this new "caper".

    4.) I don't have the numbers handy (and don't feel like looking them up), but he shared numbers for the RVs that he has bought and those numbers have increase at each telling of the story.

    5.) recent 200k picture of a jackpot that turned out to be a phony.

    6.) and now this grandest of all tales, 3 million dollars in wins over 6 years playing this scam that the only other known players were busted in a very short time, yet Rob played undetected for 6 years to the tune of 3 million.

    Where does it end? At what point do you guys stop believing the boy who cried (axel)wolf?

  18. #198
    ARE YOU RETARDED RIGHT NOW?

    Voodoo magic = Robs "martingale" / special plays system. I said it at the beginning of my post about this play>>>>THIS PLAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ROB'S (whatever you call it)SYSTEM. If you would quit trying to only want to defend Rob and his system you might actually understand whats going on.

  19. #199
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    ARE YOU RETARDED RIGHT NOW?

    Voodoo magic = Robs "martingale" / special plays system. I said it at the beginning of my post about this play>>>>THIS PLAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ROB'S (whatever you call it)SYSTEM. If you would quit trying to only want to defend Rob and his system you might actually understand whats going on.
    I got that. I was just trying to understand how making a special play, or increasing denominations, based on knowledge acquired from mathematicians, win goals, info gleaned from insiders, etc., is voodoo compared to a play that may ormaynot still be in effect - especially with all the changes I've noticed over the past 5 years. I guess I was a little upset when you picked on Pahrump Pete- a new member who's just trying to fit in.

  20. #200
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    ARE YOU RETARDED RIGHT NOW?

    Voodoo magic = Robs "martingale" / special plays system. I said it at the beginning of my post about this play>>>>THIS PLAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ROB'S (whatever you call it)SYSTEM. If you would quit trying to only want to defend Rob and his system you might actually understand whats going on.
    I got that. I was just trying to understand how making a special play, or increasing denominations, based on knowledge acquired from mathematicians, win goals, info gleaned from insiders, etc., is voodoo compared to a play that may ormaynot still be in effect - especially with all the changes I've noticed over the past 5 years. I guess I was a little upset when you picked on Pahrump Pete- a new member who's just trying to fit in.
    I didnt pick on him. I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. Please reword the first sentence, I'm lost. Rob's system has nothing to do with the double up bug play. I guess one could have use them both at the same time but that just seems silly to me. That would be like having a 10 x pay on all blackjacks and trying count cards and spread your bets up and down with the count.

    I'm convinced Rob's system can't and doesn't work. He may have been getting lucking, and it may have been working for him by sheer luck and coincidence, You have no clue if he keeps long term accurate records. ITS NOT A WINNING SYSTEM PERIOD. If it were, YOU WOULD BE A MULTI MILLIONAIRE, AS WOULD HE, AND OTHERS USING THIS SYSTEM.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-16-2019 at 10:45 AM.

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