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  1. #1
    Over at WoV, Shackleford deleted a comment and suspended someone for making a negative comment about Alan. Despite Shackleford's reasoning that his forum is about "free speech" and that is why he allows Mdawg's claims, free speech took a back seat in this instance. I think we have all come to expect such flip-flopping by Shackleford.

    But here on this forum, which Dan Druff trumpets as the free speech forum, Druff removed a comment of mine about Alan (and he probably will remove this thread too). Can you square that up Druff? Free speech as long as someone doesn't say something about the Jews or about someone you like? Is that it? Free speech with an asterisk?

    My comments about Alan were not nasty. I didn't hate Alan and am sorry he passed. But let's face it Alan held some anti-AP and anti-Math views, and he was in your face with them. He clearly was anti-AP, that is didn't like advantage players that play within the math to win. Within the last month, I stated he was anti-AP and several people agreed. I don't think there was any question about this.

    And his anti-AP biased extended beyond him not liking advantage players, he repeatedly tried to discredit not only myself, but many AP's, with some less than honest tactics and comments.

    In addition, of course there was the 18 y.o. in a row that he will be forever known for that didn't occur and again his dishonesty prevented him from admitting that. Instead he double and tripled down a hundred times. And there were other bizarre Alan claims, many about craps like the dice landing on top of each other. And of course one of my favorites, "quitting while ahead" as a winning strategy. This voodoo concept was repeated by Alan probably several hundred times. He started dozens of new threads on the topic.

    So there are some people that didn't like Alan, so what. He worked hard at that. I am not saying it is ok to say something nasty upon his passing or say you are glad he is gone, which I think the post at WoV went in that direction, but come on, Alan was anti-AP, anti-Math, anti-winning players (I think it is obvious why) and not only clung to but repeatedly promoted voodoo-ish gambling theories. Not everyone appreciated that.

  2. #2
    Alan was a moron but you don't have to post that in his obituary thread.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Over at WoV, Shackleford deleted a comment and suspended someone for making a negative comment about Alan. Despite Shackleford's reasoning that his forum is about "free speech" and that is why he allows Mdawg's claims, free speech took a back seat in this instance. I think we have all come to expect such flip-flopping by Shackleford.

    But here on this forum, which Dan Druff trumpets as the free speech forum, Druff removed a comment of mine about Alan (and he probably will remove this thread too). Can you square that up Druff? Free speech as long as someone doesn't say something about the Jews or about someone you like? Is that it? Free speech with an asterisk?

    My comments about Alan were not nasty. I didn't hate Alan and am sorry he passed. But let's face it Alan held some anti-AP and anti-Math views, and he was in your face with them. He clearly was anti-AP, that is didn't like advantage players that play within the math to win. Within the last month, I stated he was anti-AP and several people agreed. I don't think there was any question about this.

    And his anti-AP biased extended beyond him not liking advantage players, he repeatedly tried to discredit not only myself, but many AP's, with some less than honest tactics and comments.

    In addition, of course there was the 18 y.o. in a row that he will be forever known for that didn't occur and again his dishonesty prevented him from admitting that. Instead he double and tripled down a hundred times. And there were other bizarre Alan claims, many about craps like the dice landing on top of each other. And of course one of my favorites, "quitting while ahead" as a winning strategy. This voodoo concept was repeated by Alan probably several hundred times. He started dozens of new threads on the topic.

    So there are some people that didn't like Alan, so what. He worked hard at that. I am not saying it is ok to say something nasty upon his passing or say you are glad he is gone, which I think the post at WoV went in that direction, but come on, Alan was anti-AP, anti-Math, anti-winning players (I think it is obvious why) and not only clung to but repeatedly promoted voodoo-ish gambling theories. Not everyone appreciated that.
    Why the fuck do you care? Why do you feel yourself as a defender of APs? Why do I ask the same question that has been asked of you hundreds times?

    You were literally the one guy I noticed who lacked tact and took shots at the guy. This is on a forum full of trolls.

    Who cares about Alan in the long run. He was harmless. Fun forum fodder but he wasn't hurting anyone except possibly those close to him financially. Guys like that make casinos what they are. The man loved to gamble, what else needs to be said?
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  4. #4
    Kew is simply incapable of letting anything, however minor, go.

  5. #5
    I am just saying, Alan filled these forum with disinformation or misinformation for decades and doubled down every chance he got and even tried to discredit some players that played and won by the math.

    And that doesn't change or go away because he passed away. I think it completely understandable that some people didn't appreciate him.

  6. #6
    If anyone was taken in by whatever Alan was selling then nothing would have helped these people. You're the one who incessantly needs to prove/demonstrate things. Most of us don't care.

    This is literally the forum that Singer couldn't fade so he left us. The people (including myself) are that despicable. Maybe you should make your case elsewhere.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    This is literally the forum that Singer couldn't fade so he left us. The people (including myself) are that despicable. Maybe you should make your case elsewhere.
    LULZ... that's actually pretty funny.
    Nicely Done.

    I mean it's so odd that Singer left this forum just to go over to GF and post away.
    This is the one place where he could pretty much say anything he wanted, with no repercussions and people would engage him nonstop.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Maybe you should make your case elsewhere.
    That is just fucking rude. I see you arguing in political an climate change threads, where almost no one agrees with you but no one tells you to "take it elsewhere".

    You don't get to decide what is important to me. Correcting gambling misinformation IS important to me.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You don't get to decide what is important to me. Correcting gambling misinformation IS important to me.
    You had me guffawing with this one. I'm just giving you suggestions. Obviously I don't get to decide shit.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Alan filled these forum with disinformation or misinformation
    You make up shit about forum members and then present your lies as truth.

    Here is an example of your false claims, made AFTER Alan had died...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    he jumped up at 3am and ran to the strip and took intentionally blurry pictures of empty blackjack tables
    That is an outright lie...it was a lie when you originally wrote it,
    and then you doubled down when you posted it on Alan's Obit thread.

    Alan never lied about anyone or anything on this forum or any other forum.

    You are a proven and admitted liar, nothing you post should be believed.

    You are a loser scumbag piece of shit...you are by far the worst member of any of these forums.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Alan filled these forum with disinformation or misinformation
    You make up shit about forum members and then present your lies as truth.

    Here is an example of your false claims, made AFTER Alan had died...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    he jumped up at 3am and ran to the strip and took intentionally blurry pictures of empty blackjack tables
    That is an outright lie...it was a lie when you originally wrote it,
    and then you doubled down when you posted it on Alan's Obit thread.

    Alan never lied about anyone or anything on this forum or any other forum.

    You are a proven and admitted liar, nothing you post should be believed.

    You are a loser scumbag piece of shit...you are by far the worst member of any of these forums.
    Sounds about right.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I mean it's so odd that Singer left this forum just to go over to GF and post away..
    Singer left in protest because Druff chickened out of their meetup.

    MaxPen left in embarrassment because he chickened out of his meetup with Singer.

    Mr V left because...IDK...he died?

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Alan filled these forum with disinformation or misinformation
    You make up shit about forum members and then present your lies as truth.

    Here is an example of your false claims, made AFTER Alan had died...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    he jumped up at 3am and ran to the strip and took intentionally blurry pictures of empty blackjack tables
    That is an outright lie...it was a lie when you originally wrote it,
    and then you doubled down when you posted it on Alan's Obit thread.

    Alan never lied about anyone or anything on this forum or any other forum.

    You are a proven and admitted liar, nothing you post should be believed.

    You are a loser scumbag piece of shit...you are by far the worst member of any of these forums.
    Below is the quote from Alan posted on 8/09/17 made at exactly 3am, where he states that he went to the casino at 3am. Below the quote you will find a link to the thread (M resort loss rebate thread, page 18, post 342) where the intentional blurry picture is posted. Now tell me who is the liar, coach belly, you fucking low life liar.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I went to the Mirage at 3am. The blackjack pit was empty. I sat at a table in seat #2. I turned to the table on my right and took a photo from eye level. Obviously there were no players to get in the way. Now, tell me, can you see what the cards would be?

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Rebate/page18

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now tell me who is the liar
    YOU ARE THE LIAR.

    This was all discussed at length after you called him a shyster....read the rest of the thread.

    Alan did not jump up out of bed at 3am and run to the strip...you made that up...you lied.

    Alan did not take intentionally blurry pictures...you made that up....you lied.
    Last edited by coach belly; 11-17-2022 at 07:55 PM.

  15. #15
    In addition to this discussion, which I will say again, Alan jumped up at 3am and ran out to the casino took and posted intentionally blurry pictures, Alan continued his attempts to discredit me on this and other topics for years. This discussion went on for months, but even that wasn't enough for Alan as he started two more threads on this topic, one entitled something like Kewlj and counting two tables. He also started a thread at WoV, where I couldn't even respond trying to discredit me on this same topic.

    And this never stopped. As recently as this past spring, I shared one of my blackjack sessions experience on this thread where I said, I had a losing day of about $6000, but despite the loss that it was a very +EV day as almost every shoe played the count went +EV early. Lots of play at +EV with my bigger bets out. I just didn't win those bigger bets that day.

    So you know what Alan did? He ran to WoV, again where I could not respond and started a thread about a blackjack AP who said he lost $6000 while playing +EV and asked how that was possible? It was an attempt to discredit me (yet again), simply because he did not understand the concept of playing with an advantage and +EV.

    And that is just me, Alan has a long history of trying to discredit other AP's.

    Well guess what? On these forums, many of these discussions are about getting the last word. You die and you don't get the last word!

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now tell me who is the liar
    YOU ARE THE LIAR...this was all discussed at length after you called him a shyster.

    Alan did not jump up out of bed at 3am and run to the strip...you made that up...you lied.

    Alan did not take intentionally blurry pictures...you made that up....you lied.
    I never said "out of bed". I said he jumped up at 3am and ran to the casino to take blurry pictures. And I just posted a link to the very thread where he himself said that and the pictures were posted. You are a liar belly.

    The picture speaks for itself. BLURRY!

  17. #17
    I will give Alan that he never sunk to the level of personal attacks and name calling the way many do. And I even did call him names once or twice. But for as long as I have known him, he has attempted to discredit APs. And I for one did not appreciate it. And apparently by a few negative comment's others didn't either. Again, I am sorry Alan passed, but that doesn't erase years of his attempts to discredit me.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Singer left in protest because Druff chickened out of their meetup.

    MaxPen left in embarrassment because he chickened out of his meetup with Singer.

    Mr V left because...IDK...he died?
    This is typical coach belly. The first two statements are outright lies. The third, who know. I hope MrV is ok.

    Coach belly is just a freaking liar. Dan Druff has called him a liar who Dan thinks doesn't even believe most of what he posts. Wizard banned him for doing nothing but lying and trolling.

    Dan Druff do you want to comment on coach belly claiming that you chickened out of the meeting with Rob? Why are people just allowed to blatantly lie like this?

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I said he jumped up at 3am and ran to the casino to take blurry pictures.
    You made it all up...that he jumped up at 3am and ran to the casino, and that he took intentionally blurry pictures.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Dan Druff do you want to comment on coach belly claiming that you chickened out of the meeting with Rob? Why are people just allowed to blatantly lie like this?
    I'm not lying about Singer's reason for leaving, read it for yourself on GF, and then apologize for lying.

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