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  1. #141
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Alan pointed out on twitter that Rob's double up sequence has not been verified. But no one has disputed it either. That is true either way. But so far he's the only one that has put up what he says is the actual sequence of events to get to the big jackpot. What I have done is contacted the author of the Wired article, Kevin Paulson, and made him aware of Rob's claim plus also giving him the link to Rob's explanation of it on Alan's site. Let's see what he has to say about it.

    I've also put the story up on twitter and it's getting activity. The more the story spreads, the more people know about it, the bigger the chance, if there is any, of someone coming forward and saying they taught Rob the strategy. I'll be getting around to posting up the 1K reward on twitter. Right now I'm busier than shit between vulturing, genealogy and dealing with this story so everything is not going to get done all at once. But I'm doing my part to spread the story.
    So the bottom line is it's the correct sequence because Singer say's it's the correct sequence.....Uh.... OK, I guess.

    I find Rob's version of the DU bug very believable and I believe Axel has verified that it's correct.

    I think if you read his description with an open mind you'll conclude it's either correct (though he still may have learned it from a third party), or it's a very ingenious invention. Was it even publicly known that the WIRED story was inaccurate? If not, why wouldn't Rob just repeat the version from the story?
    I HAVE NEVER PLAYED THIS GLITCH MYSELF!!!! There was more than one article about this and one had a detailed explanation of the steps it took to exploit the bug. I was told by someone that has knowledge about this(they didnt play them they know how to fix them) the article was correct.

    I havent found anything online explaining the bill validator thing and how and why all that has an affect. When im not lazy I will look it up, but as I said before I have no doubt KJ and some others have been frantically searching online.

    When I talked to Rob on the phone he seemed to be sincere. His story flowed in a natural manor. Perhaps Rob is a master at deception, I havent talked to him or know him well enough to know. I think I would want more evidence either way before I was willing take a side on the yes or no.

    Rob, Mike does a youtube live stream now and he posts them on WOV. If he were to offer to interview you live regarding this, would you be willing to? I would defiantly try my best to convince him this would be an interesting show. Not that I would be able to move the needle on his decision but i can at least bring it up and I know lots of people will watch and it would be interesting. He might have an issue with the fact that he banned you and his normal policy is that once banned he doesn't want to hear from those members. Also, you have said a lot of nasty stuff about him and from anything I have ever heard he never disparaged you and actually said good things about how you were and acted in person.

  2. #142
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    In a way that search for someone that may have taught or shared the info with Rob, is not fair to Rob, in that finding someone could disprove his claim, but not finding someone does not prove his claim.

    Only Rob can prove his claim or offer supporting evidence/documentation and he chose not to do that even though he admits he knew there would be skeptics.

    Personally I don't think someone taught or showed Rob the sequence. I think he figured it out on his own, probably after the story broke, by locating machines that had not yet been 'fixed' and trying different sequences until one worked. He plays a lot of smaller venues in Arizona, rural Nevada and other places that might have been slow to fix the "bug".

    But these are both just two possibilities other than Rob's "he searched for and found a bug or defect that there was no reason to believe existed".

    It just comes back to numerous possibilities. And with Rob offering no proof or supporting evidence....
    I'm not saying this happen or I think it happen, but one could find and old machine for sale that never had the update. IIRC Rob has claimed to have bought machines before. If I was really looking for the bug and wanted to peruse this, that's exactly what I would do. The bug has appeared in casinos in the last few years or so, and not just in some small obscure location.

    Both of these possibilities are much more plausible than what the doubters have expressed so far.

    Has KJ or anyone else specified what supporting evidence should or could exist, the absence of which weakens Rob's claims?
    I come from the commercial and military industry where people are well-paid to search for and find bugs in equipment they have no reason to believe exist.

    I do not play in Az. casinos. I train in them and I search for the glitch in them, but infrequently.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-25-2019 at 09:57 PM.

  3. #143
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post

    So the bottom line is it's the correct sequence because Singer say's it's the correct sequence.....Uh.... OK, I guess.

    I find Rob's version of the DU bug very believable and I believe Axel has verified that it's correct.

    I think if you read his description with an open mind you'll conclude it's either correct (though he still may have learned it from a third party), or it's a very ingenious invention. Was it even publicly known that the WIRED story was inaccurate? If not, why wouldn't Rob just repeat the version from the story?
    I HAVE NEVER PLAYED THIS GLITCH MYSELF!!!! There was more than one article about this and one had a detailed explanation of the steps it took to exploit the bug. I was told by someone that has knowledge about this(they didnt play them they know how to fix them) the article was correct.

    I havent found anything online explaining the bill validator thing and how and why all that has an affect. When im not lazy I will look it up, but as I said before I have no doubt KJ and some others have been frantically searching online.

    When I talked to Rob on the phone he seemed to be sincere. His story flowed in a natural manor. Perhaps Rob is a master at deception, I havent talked to him or know him well enough to know. I think I would want more evidence either way before I was willing take a side on the yes or no.

    Rob, Mike does a youtube live stream now and he posts them on WOV. If he were to offer to interview you live regarding this, would you be willing to? I would defiantly try my best to convince him this would be an interesting show. Not that I would be able to move the needle on his decision but i can at least bring it up and I know lots of people will watch and it would be interesting. He might have an issue with the fact that he banned you and his normal policy is that once banned he doesn't want to hear from those members. Also, you have said a lot of nasty stuff about him and from anything I have ever heard he never disparaged you and actually said good things about how you were and acted in person.
    I sounded sincere because I was. I did not make a snap decision on who to release this to. I spent a few months reading your posts on WoV and reviewing some here. I went to you because based on my overall assessment I expected pure interest and decency and that's exactly what I got. Believe me, it was not easy.

    I am open to talking to Mike about this story. It would still have to be by phone because I can't travel for at least two months unless he would want to come over here. If he did then he could stay in our other house.

    You're right--I don't believe he's ever said anything bad about me. All I can say is he was just one of many targets of my poorly placed insults while I was dealing with my "secret" via personal diversion. I do believe this discussion would generate lots of viewers and interest. As worthy a topic to talk about as anything. Up to him.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-25-2019 at 10:34 PM.

  4. #144
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post


    I find Rob's version of the DU bug very believable and I believe Axel has verified that it's correct.

    I think if you read his description with an open mind you'll conclude it's either correct (though he still may have learned it from a third party), or it's a very ingenious invention. Was it even publicly known that the WIRED story was inaccurate? If not, why wouldn't Rob just repeat the version from the story?
    I HAVE NEVER PLAYED THIS GLITCH MYSELF!!!! There was more than one article about this and one had a detailed explanation of the steps it took to exploit the bug. I was told by someone that has knowledge about this(they didnt play them they know how to fix them) the article was correct.

    I havent found anything online explaining the bill validator thing and how and why all that has an affect. When im not lazy I will look it up, but as I said before I have no doubt KJ and some others have been frantically searching online.

    When I talked to Rob on the phone he seemed to be sincere. His story flowed in a natural manor. Perhaps Rob is a master at deception, I havent talked to him or know him well enough to know. I think I would want more evidence either way before I was willing take a side on the yes or no.

    Rob, Mike does a youtube live stream now and he posts them on WOV. If he were to offer to interview you live regarding this, would you be willing to? I would defiantly try my best to convince him this would be an interesting show. Not that I would be able to move the needle on his decision but i can at least bring it up and I know lots of people will watch and it would be interesting. He might have an issue with the fact that he banned you and his normal policy is that once banned he doesn't want to hear from those members. Also, you have said a lot of nasty stuff about him and from anything I have ever heard he never disparaged you and actually said good things about how you were and acted in person.
    I sounded sincere because I was. I did not make a snap decision on who to release this to. I spent a few months reading your posts on WoV and reviewing some here. I went to you because based on my overall assessment I expected pure interest and decency and that's exactly what I got. Believe me, it was not easy.

    I am open to talking to Mike about this story. It would still have to be by phone because I can't travel for at least two months unless he would want to come over here. If he did then he could stay in our other house.

    You're right--I don't believe he's ever said anything bad about me. All I can say is he was just one of many targets of my poorly placed insults while I was dealing with my "secret" via personal diversion. I do believe this discussion would generate lots of viewers and interest. As worthy a topic to talk about as anything. Up to him.
    I think Mike would like to live stream it. I get the impression he wants to get more into that aspect since its all the rage nowadays. Ill let him know about your invitation. If not, theres no reason this can't wait a few months(other than the fact that KJ might have a breakdown within that time frame (-.

    If we can put this together I think I might like to attend and help propose some questions and whatnot. I too would like to do some online streaming myself but I dont know how one can do that without showing their face (and it be good) Perhaps I can get DarkOz to loan me one of his Freddy Kruger masks. Better yet, ill get a wolf mask.

  5. #145
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    In a way that search for someone that may have taught or shared the info with Rob, is not fair to Rob, in that finding someone could disprove his claim, but not finding someone does not prove his claim.

    Only Rob can prove his claim or offer supporting evidence/documentation and he chose not to do that even though he admits he knew there would be skeptics.

    Personally I don't think someone taught or showed Rob the sequence. I think he figured it out on his own, probably after the story broke, by locating machines that had not yet been 'fixed' and trying different sequences until one worked. He plays a lot of smaller venues in Arizona, rural Nevada and other places that might have been slow to fix the "bug".

    But these are both just two possibilities other than Rob's "he searched for and found a bug or defect that there was no reason to believe existed".

    It just comes back to numerous possibilities. And with Rob offering no proof or supporting evidence....
    Well, you've got all your bases covered for sure. You know full well no one is going to come forward saying they taught Rob the double up bug. Except for jackoff idiots that think they can lie their way into the $1000 reward I'm offering.

    All the way back to 2005 and my first interactions with Rob he has strictly been anti-Indian casinos. He has always said he doesn't play them.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #146
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The bug has appeared in casinos in the last few years or so, and not just in some small obscure location.
    Yes, it's not a question of inventory IMHO - the posting caution was for the statute of limitations and was not caused by the waiting for the play to be dead IMHO. Pandora's box was opened, good luck trying to eradicate all unpatched GK5.Xs. It's like trying to recall ibuprofen/Advil. Yes it raises the risk of a heart attack (like all NSAIDs) and yes fractures never heal if they are taken regularly (clinically proven actually), but it's too widespread and too much of a cash cow to withdraw this medication from the market.

    Terminator II pinball from Williams was made in 1991 if I remember correctly. The game stayed out on location for years and years after its release because it was a money maker and relatively easy to maintain for operators. Anything that makes a lot of money and has a cheap footprint stays out there (on the floor at the casino in the case of very successful games or at 7-11s,bars,bowling alleys,laudromats,pizza parlors etc. in the case of certain pinballs) IMHO.

    One aside here, the live stream will probably have to wait until Ron's foot heals unless some sort of Skype shit can be set up.

  7. #147
    I'm confused as to why somebody would have or even wanted to supposedly have "taught" me the play, or how I would've gone about searching for such a personality. Is that even possible?

    If there's one thing about this situation that straightens anything out, it's how kew really does talk out of both sides of his mouth. He goes on and on and on about how firmly he believes in what people claim on forums does not require proof, and if you ask for it from him then you're automatically a hater, an idiot and a bigot. Yet at the same time he keeps requesting I provide some kind of proof about my play strategy as well as my double up find--and his reasoning is apparently because of the "20 years of lies" that he made up about me.

    I find him guilty on all counts. His sentence? Take away his meds permanently.

  8. #148
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The bug has appeared in casinos in the last few years or so, and not just in some small obscure location.
    Yes, it's not a question of inventory IMHO - the posting caution was for the statute of limitations and was not caused by the waiting for the play to be dead IMHO. Pandora's box was opened, good luck trying to eradicate all unpatched GK5.Xs. It's like trying to recall ibuprofen/Advil. Yes it raises the risk of a heart attack (like all NSAIDs) and yes fractures never heal if they are taken regularly (clinically proven actually), but it's too widespread and too much of a cash cow to withdraw this medication from the market.

    Terminator II pinball from Williams was made in 1991 if I remember correctly. The game stayed out on location for years and years after its release because it was a money maker and relatively easy to maintain for operators. Anything that makes a lot of money and has a cheap footprint stays out there (on the floor at the casino in the case of very successful games or at 7-11s,bars,bowling alleys,laudromats,pizza parlors etc. in the case of certain pinballs) IMHO.

    One aside here, the live stream will probably have to wait until Ron's foot heals unless some sort of Skype shit can be set up.
    Odd that there's been very little said about this glitch by IGT over the years. They MUST have been aware that individual machine fixes like this required would undoubtedly get bungled up in some places and likely ignored in others. There certainly was not a lot of press on this.

    If Shack chooses to have me on I'll do everything I can to accommodate. I'm told my bones are old, and regardless of my being in decent shape with no other medical problems, old bones can take longer to heal. I just tried to upload a photo of my foot in a cast here in bed so kew won't accuse me of "fabricating another whopper" but it gives me an error message.

  9. #149
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Odd that there's been very little said about this glitch by IGT over the years. They MUST have been aware that individual machine fixes like this required would undoubtedly get bungled up in some places and likely ignored in others. There certainly was not a lot of press on this.
    I'm not surprised by this. The reason I'm not surprised is because IGT is a publicly traded company. If IGT was privately held things might be different IMHO.

  10. #150
    I wonder if there's a log kept by the machine that could easily identify casino losses due to the the flaw.
    I wonder if IGT just quietly paid off some of the casino losses.

    It was their defective program that allowed this to happen.
    I'm sure they didn't want any publicity. They sure didn't want to get sued by the casinos.
    Maybe that's why the Nevada Casinos didn't try to hang Nestor et al. They already got their money back and maybe even signed an NDA as part of the payoff.

    Just a thought.

  11. #151
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    I come from the commercial and military industry where people are well-paid to search for and find bugs in equipment they have no reason to believe exist.
    .
    I've developed a lot of software over the years. There are often design flaws and coding flaws in programs above a certain complexity level. Most of them are innocuous, but not always. This isn't the first software error that cost the casinos money and it won't be the last.

    I sometimes try to break programs just because I enjoy it and it's in my DNA. You can bet that I'm always looking for anomalies in gaming machines. Always have been.

  12. #152
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    That is a pretty rediculous statement. I probably would have only played quarter to dollars and I would have made over 3 million the first year with very few taxables.
    Maybe a good way of staying under the radar just dealing with accumulated credits but I don't know about 3 mil in a year. That would be a lot of play.
    My understanding is you are not limited to one collection. Get a 4oak on quarter BPD. Switch to $1 and collect a few times and move on to another place. I could do 10k+ a day and still wonder what to do with all my spare time.
    With .25-$1 I would never even hit a taxable. I'd much prefer .50-$2 though.
    One of the problems I see would be the sheer number of requests for them to activate the double up feature. Rob visited once a week. But someone doing it everyday is bound to become very familiar to casino personnel and they could notice you are cashing out a winner everyday. Many casinos didnt have the cashout kiosks back then and I remember having to give the cashiers my slot card when cashing out accumulated credits over about 1K.

    Like most players I wouldn't play a machine that had the double up feature turned on. It slowed me down. I would switch to a different machine. So many machines with the double ups turned on could lead to complaints by players.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #153
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    I come from the commercial and military industry where people are well-paid to search for and find bugs in equipment they have no reason to believe exist.
    .
    I've developed a lot of software over the years. There are often design flaws and coding flaws in programs above a certain complexity level. Most of them are innocuous, but not always. This isn't the first software error that cost the casinos money and it won't be the last.

    I sometimes try to break programs just because I enjoy it and it's in my DNA. You can bet that I'm always looking for anomalies in gaming machines. Always have been.
    Unowme, that’s the difference between you and Rob. You are “always looking for anomalies in gaming machines”, while Rob only looked for them for a specific period of time, in this case four years. If you believe Rob’s narrative, it was losing a couple 100,000 that prompted him to start looking for “bugs”. Btw, you call it “anomalies” and Rob calls it “bugs” or things that look like bugs.

    So if Rob had been winning consistently, it doesn’t sound like he would have ever looked for bugs. It was due to his losing that prompted the bug search. And bugs don’t just appear due to someone losing.

    And from the sounds of it, it doesn’t appear the casinos lost too much money due to this bug. I mean Nestor had to give most of it back, Kane only made a couple hundred thousand and even Rob said he only made about 3 million in 5 years, if I remember his story right. That’s not a lot. And he did this at various casinos; he didn’t just target one. There are blackjack players using Hilo that claim to have made that much.

  14. #154
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    That is a pretty rediculous statement. I probably would have only played quarter to dollars and I would have made over 3 million the first year with very few taxables.
    Maybe a good way of staying under the radar just dealing with accumulated credits but I don't know about 3 mil in a year. That would be a lot of play.
    My understanding is you are not limited to one collection. Get a 4oak on quarter BPD. Switch to $1 and collect a few times and move on to another place. I could do 10k+ a day and still wonder what to do with all my spare time. With .25-$1 I would never even hit a taxable. I'd much prefer .50-$2 though.
    ,

    After giving it some thought, if I wanted to avoid W2-G's, I would play 9/6 Jacks on a machine that had a denom spread from $1 to $10. At $1 denom the straight pays $20, flush $30, full house $45. I would activate the bug on these three hands making them pay, $200, $300, $450. All three of these hands have a frequency of about 90. So it would take just a short period of time to rack up a reasonable amount of money with no W2-G's. Percentagewise you would be at 364%. I wouldn't activate the double up bug on 4 of a Kind or the Straight Flush and the only W2-G I would get would be for a royal. Would I activate the double up bug on that royal? That would sure as hell be tempting.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #155
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Unowme, that’s the difference between you and Rob. You are “always looking for anomalies in gaming machines”, while Rob only looked for them for a specific period of time, in this case four years. If you believe Rob’s narrative, it was losing a couple 100,000 that prompted him to start looking for “bugs”. Btw, you call it “anomalies” and Rob calls it “bugs” or things that look like bugs.
    I say anomalies because it's a little broader than 'bugs'. It could be like the progressive that you play for quarters but the jackpot is set for dollars. Not necessarily a bug, but an anomaly nonetheless. Really looking for anything that doesn't fit a normal pattern. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there aren't plenty of other issues out there....from weak RNGs to just plain coding errors.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    So if Rob had been winning consistently, it doesn’t sound like he would have ever looked for bugs. It was due to his losing that prompted the bug search. And bugs don’t just appear due to someone losing.
    See, that requires you to get into Rob Singer's head....a place that I wouldn't want to go. I've always thought he was an odd duck. You have no idea how he thinks or what he might do, so this is just your idle speculation based on how you might behave.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    And from the sounds of it, it doesn’t appear the casinos lost too much money due to this bug. I mean Nestor had to give most of it back, Kane only made a couple hundred thousand and even Rob said he only made about 3 million in 5 years, if I remember his story right. That’s not a lot. And he did this at various casinos; he didn’t just target one. There are blackjack players using Hilo that claim to have made that much.
    How do we know the identified individuals are really the only ones to have found this? How do we know the publicly identified casinos are really the only ones they took advantage of?
    Last edited by unowme; 06-27-2019 at 08:15 AM.

  16. #156
    My reason for deciding to look for a machine anomaly or anomalies ("bug" or "glitch" is used only out of popularity) was not entirely or even the the #1 reason related to the fact that I lost $250k over 6 years. Remember, I spent 1996-2000 developing my strategy, and while doing so I sometimes brought up what I was doing with a few of the software engineers who were working on my programs. Those discussions were what gave me the idea to begin searching for a VP machine anomaly. If an airport ALS (automatic landing system) or an aircraft CAS (collision avoidance system) could have these things embedded then immediately corrected, then why not a far less important VP machine? This is where and how it started.

  17. #157
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Maybe a good way of staying under the radar just dealing with accumulated credits but I don't know about 3 mil in a year. That would be a lot of play.
    My understanding is you are not limited to one collection. Get a 4oak on quarter BPD. Switch to $1 and collect a few times and move on to another place. I could do 10k+ a day and still wonder what to do with all my spare time. With .25-$1 I would never even hit a taxable. I'd much prefer .50-$2 though.
    ,

    After giving it some thought, if I wanted to avoid W2-G's, I would play 9/6 Jacks on a machine that had a denom spread from $1 to $10. At $1 denom the straight pays $20, flush $30, full house $45. I would activate the bug on these three hands making them pay, $200, $300, $450. All three of these hands have a frequency of about 90. So it would take just a short period of time to rack up a reasonable amount of money with no W2-G's. Percentagewise you would be at 364%. I wouldn't activate the double up bug on 4 of a Kind or the Straight Flush and the only W2-G I would get would be for a royal. Would I activate the double up bug on that royal? That would sure as hell be tempting.
    I wouldn't even bother with good pay-tables. Finding places that ad a good spread with double up enabled would have been one of your biggest obstacles. The only reason I would want to avoid w2g's is the fact that some places have surveillance verify stuff. Also, I think the last thing you want is for employees to remember you. If you tip well they will remember you, and if you stiff them they will remember you. Obviously it's much better having them remember you as a good tipper but, not too good of a tipper, because they will be more likely to chat with you when they see you playing.

    I have known a few smart floor people who knew exactly what was going on whenever there were non-resetting meters and over-payers. They magically stopped getting shut down when the tips got much bigger. Of course, theres always management that eventually notices theres a problem, but all the extra days it lasts make a big difference.

  18. #158
    Rob, if Mike(and perhaps me) decides to come to you and do an interview, where will you hide the double up bug machine you bought? Ill
    need full assess to all 10 of your properties and 2 million dollar RV's, I'll be bringing a slot machine detector.

    Is there a device made for easy electronic machines detection like this?

  19. #159
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Maybe a good way of staying under the radar just dealing with accumulated credits but I don't know about 3 mil in a year. That would be a lot of play.
    My understanding is you are not limited to one collection. Get a 4oak on quarter BPD. Switch to $1 and collect a few times and move on to another place. I could do 10k+ a day and still wonder what to do with all my spare time.
    With .25-$1 I would never even hit a taxable. I'd much prefer .50-$2 though.
    One of the problems I see would be the sheer number of requests for them to activate the double up feature. Rob visited once a week. But someone doing it everyday is bound to become very familiar to casino personnel and they could notice you are cashing out a winner everyday. Many casinos didnt have the cashout kiosks back then and I remember having to give the cashiers my slot card when cashing out accumulated credits over about 1K.

    Like most players I wouldn't play a machine that had the double up feature turned on. It slowed me down. I would switch to a different machine. So many machines with the double ups turned on could lead to complaints by players.
    No, no. I dont think the double up bug was on the machines version that had the pop up double up feature. I am almost certain it was the ones that had the small yellow tab on the bottom next to the other screen control tabs. you could just ignore the double up enable and play as if it wasn't there. I always assumed this was the case. There are multiple diffrent double up variations and configurations(4 that I can remember off the top of my head. I did ask Rob about this Via PM and I think he confirm this was the case, however I will have to refer back just to make sure. The ones were the double up auto engaged the yes or no feature were mostly all on non multi games. One particular formats caused casinos problems because one could accidentally hit double up on big hands such as royals. It happend to someone I know on a dealt royal. A 7 came up (-; They didnt want to take the risk and had the casino pay them before they drew. They asked me for my advice. I said, mathematically you should go for it, but its a lot of money, so do whatever. They would have won.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 06-27-2019 at 08:47 AM.

  20. #160
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    My understanding is you are not limited to one collection. Get a 4oak on quarter BPD. Switch to $1 and collect a few times and move on to another place. I could do 10k+ a day and still wonder what to do with all my spare time.
    With .25-$1 I would never even hit a taxable. I'd much prefer .50-$2 though.
    One of the problems I see would be the sheer number of requests for them to activate the double up feature. Rob visited once a week. But someone doing it everyday is bound to become very familiar to casino personnel and they could notice you are cashing out a winner everyday. Many casinos didnt have the cashout kiosks back then and I remember having to give the cashiers my slot card when cashing out accumulated credits over about 1K.

    Like most players I wouldn't play a machine that had the double up feature turned on. It slowed me down. I would switch to a different machine. So many machines with the double ups turned on could lead to complaints by players.
    No, no. I dont think the double up bug was on the machines version that had the pop up double up feature. I am almost certain it was the ones that had the small yellow tab on the bottom next to the other screen control tabs. you could just ignore the double up enable and play as if it wasn't there. I always assumed this was the case. There are multiple diffrent double up variations and configurations(4 that I can remember off the top of my head. I did ask Rob about this Via PM and I think he confirm this was the case, however I will have to refer back just to make sure. The ones were the double up auto engaged the yes or no feature were mostly all on non multi games. One particular formats caused casinos problems because one could accidentally hit double up on big hands such as royals. It happend to someone I know on a dealt royal. A 7 came up (-; They didnt want to take the risk and had the casino pay them before they drew. They asked me for my advice. I said, mathematically you should go for it, but its a lot of money, so do whatever. They would have won.
    There were two types that worked. There WERE the ones that annoyingly asked the question in the middle of the screen on every win, but these were not common in the multi's. Far more available were the ones axel's talking about, where after a win the yellow tab lit up at the bottom.

    I've turned the double up machine here into a lie detector machine. But it has a bug in it.

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