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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Look kew, when are you going to acknowledge what I've been saying about my successful play strategy and get off your fake news story that it was "phony" and I "mislead" anyone about the merits of playing it, just because I played it for 4 years profitably instead of 10? And I still train players on it. There is no charade when it comes to my strategy.

    You're confusing the SPS success with the way I chose to go forward after finding and playing something much better. My weekly Undeniable Truth column in Gaming Today was in its popular prime when this discovery was made, and since my strategy was successful I chose to keep that storyline going rather than quit writing, or making the world's most stupid decision and ignore the other far more profitable play. No one was deceived to the point of being harmed in any way. And, both my books were written and published during those first 4 years of playing professionally.

    As far as the nastiness etc., I came into this arena in 2000 fully expecting and prepared to be attacked both personally and professionally for my position on APing (at the time, after 6 years of failure) as well as my new approach to playing. Just like clockwork, it occurred, and it continued in every conceivable form of media. But what these people weren't aware of is they were going up against the best preparation in the business when it comes to insults and retaliatory personal attacks.

    Yet, that is really not me....I am completely the opposite in my real life. Think about it: I've been married over 40 years. I've never had trouble with the law or been arrested. I have great children and grandchildren. Our son is a true Wounded Warrior. And I've held very responsible positions in my work career. It should be obvious that my online personality is far from the real me.

    That said, because this very lucrative play required complete silence and discipline in order to remain active for as long as it did, any human being would be hard pressed not to allow all that bottled up anxiety about not being able to talk to anyone about it, to let off all that steam in some other way. My way has been to battle people about basically anything online. I've developed quite the talent for it, right?

    I know people despise me for this and that, and they're always looking me up just to find flaws to rip me for because of it. Well, some people aren't going to like this, but because I was winning so much from the casinos along with our healthy retirement accounts which have only grown thanks to the great Donald Trump and credit was no longer necessary, I purposely wrecked our credit by stiffing certain creditors at strategic intervals. Everything I've done had a reason. Buying homes for cash in our children's names was done for a purpose. (unrelated, our 1996 bankruptcy was real and it was profitable also). But there were never any of those evictions, food stamps, welfare fraud, or anything of the sort. And know this: we are not wealthy, just comfortable retirees who've both worked hard our entire lives. I got lucky with video poker, but it took a lot of work. I didn't really stumble across this play. I worked hard at looking for something like this for four years.

    After this post I won't be talking about any of this stuff anymore, regardless what's said. My reason for waiting until 2019 to finally get this silence and reasons for my decades-long forums' disruptions and mis-directions act off my chest, are sooo valid, and it is a very big personal relief. mickey understood that today. In fact, I'm glad I got to talk to him and we'll probably chat more in the future. I do regret his being a regular target of my performance but I don't apologize for it. He would think I'm a wimp if I did.

    There will be no more comments from me on any of this. It's likely the entire story of the play will come out somewhere somehow sometime. Just remember who I really am and why I've done what I did when it's discussed. There'll still be the haters here and there who'll claim all sorts of stuff. So be it.
    What a touching story / explanation Rob. Give me a second while I wipe away a tear. You expected to be attacked so you attacked first and created this persona 100% different from your real persona to "protect" yourself.

    Mr. Argentino/Singer, I did not attack you personally. I didn't know who you were when I came here, despite that we both were at WoV at some point (I don't think the same point, but I could be wrong as I didn't read all topics at that time). When I came to this forum, and Axel made a joke about my sexuality, you began attacking me on day 1. Not joking, but viciously attacking. And that had nothing to do with any AP/gambling discussion.

    I questions the first of your claims, which was that you made a million dollars over 10 years, using progressive betting and stop limits to turn a -EV game to a +EV game. You now have changed those numbers to 300k+ over 4 years and I still have the same questions and challenges. Progressive betting and stop limits cannot change a losing (-EV) game to positive expectation and a long-term winner. I don't know how many times I asked....begged you to share exactly what it was that would do this for you and you couldn't, wouldn't respond. Instead you just attacked personally. And I am not talking about this latest revelation of the "glitch" that you found. I am talking about your original claim. These are two distinct things.

    Again, I congratulate you on finding this casino "glitch", casino error, that allowed for a significant advantage. Congratulations for the 3rd time. But that in no way explains or excuses your behavior. You attacked not only me personally, but my family. My brother who does not read or participate on this forum, suggesting vulgar sex acts. You attacked my mother, a lady that also does not participate on this forum, who just happens to be my mother who moved to Las Vegas to be near her sons as she put her life back together after her divorce. And you attacked my partner, who read but never posted on this forum in the most vulgar way after he had passed away. You did the same unspeakable attacks to other members. What kind of person behaves like this? Thinking you might be attacked or not, Protecting an advantage play or not. What kind of human being behaves in this manner? Shame on you sir. I don't care if you perceive an apology as a sign of weakness via some old school code or mentality or not....you owe several people on this forum an apology.

  2. #62
    "What kind of person behaves like this"?

    The type of person looking for amusing entertainment who couldn't care less about a weak anonymous person who for some very odd reason feels the need to announce meaningless family problems as if in a way to extract unending sympathies. Most people have no idea if you're making up these personalities of if they're real, and when someone like myself piles it on, it's a nothing burger because you choose to hide under anonymity. If that drives you to crocodile tears or projectile vomiting, please make the most of it.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    "What kind of person behaves like this"?

    The type of person looking for amusing entertainment who couldn't care less about a weak anonymous person who for some very odd reason feels the need to announce meaningless family problems as if in a way to extract unending sympathies. Most people have no idea if you're making up these personalities of if they're real, and when someone like myself piles it on, it's a nothing burger because you choose to hide under anonymity. If that drives you to crocodile tears or projectile vomiting, please make the most of it.
    Now which of the Rob Singers / Harry Argentino is this talking? The Guy afraid he will be attacked so he lashes out first or the "real" Rob Singer / Harry Argentino that is really the complete opposite a kind loving person? Admittedly I seem to have a lot of trouble with these multiple personality people, which seems to be a trait of certain negative members of the gambling community.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    "What kind of person behaves like this"?

    The type of person looking for amusing entertainment who couldn't care less about a weak anonymous person who for some very odd reason feels the need to announce meaningless family problems as if in a way to extract unending sympathies. Most people have no idea if you're making up these personalities of if they're real, and when someone like myself piles it on, it's a nothing burger because you choose to hide under anonymity. If that drives you to crocodile tears or projectile vomiting, please make the most of it.
    Now which of the Rob Singers / Harry Argentino is this talking? The Guy afraid he will be attacked so he lashes out first or the "real" Rob Singer / Harry Argentino that is really the complete opposite a kind loving person? Admittedly I seem to have a lot of trouble with these multiple personality people, which seems to be a trait of certain negative members of the gambling community.
    You have trouble kew because to the majority of forum members you are only one person, and that is the anonymous person you've chosen to form, shape, and detail for all your own reasons. Not so with me, and I explained this very well on my website in 2000 regarding who I really was and why I chose Singer as my pen-surname.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You have trouble kew because to the majority of forum members you are only one person, and that is the anonymous person you've chosen to form, shape, and detail for all your own reasons. Not so with me, and I explained this very well on my website in 2000 regarding who I really was and why I chose Singer as my pen-surname.
    In the year 2000 I was a junior in high school spending most of my free time surfing the waves (not internet) at Daytona Beach. So for those of us that aren't geriatrics living 20 years in the past, can you provide a link.

    Look this boils down to one thing. I argued claims you have made about winning a million dollars playing a negative expectation game and not showing anything substantial as to how you overcame that negative expectation. You have now downsized that claim to 375k over 4 years as opposed to your original claim of a million dollars over 10 years. That is what I had a problem with taking you at your word, which now seems to be frequently changing.

    This latest revelation, that you discovered and played some high advantage play making 3 million is a completely separate issue. That is not what I was challenging and being a low end, very elementary type, AP, likely far above my understanding. So I appreciate and accept Mickey and Axelwolf's expertise in this area.

    But again the two are two very distinct claims. And if in fact you found this high advantage play and made a lot of money it does nothing to answer what I was and still am challenging based on your own words (the first claim).

    Personally I don't believe your second claim either. While it is above my knowledge, my gut tells me it is just another chapter in 20 some years of Singer bullshit. I believe you have knowledge and information about this high advantage play that is impressing other AP's as it is knowledge that only someone involved in the play would have. BUT it is after the fact. Who is to say you didn't acquire that knowledge and information very recently and are trying to parley that into credibility involving 20 years of voodoo claims. I don't think either Mickey or Axelwolf can even say that for sure.

    My gut tells me this is not reality. 20 years of your bullshit tells me this is not reality. That is my decision to make involving your credibility Just as it is Mickey and Axels and everyone else's decision to make for themselves.

    But again, whether or not this second recent revelation turns out to be proven, still is irrelevant. It is not the issue that I have been arguing and challenging since I came to this site. That issue remains that you claim to have won first a million dollars and now downgraded to 375K over many years using progressive wagering and stop limits to overcome negative expectation, which simply can't be done.

  6. #66
    Singer is not to be trusted or believed is what you're saying?

  7. #67
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Singer is not to be trusted or believed is what you're saying?
    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Singer is not to be trusted or believed is what you're saying?
    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Singer is not to be trusted or believed is what you're saying?
    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.
    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.
    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.
    /thread

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.
    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.

    I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because I think "Singer" lying about the origins of his money to thousands of readers makes him worse than if he hadn't, so I'm rooting for the story to be true. But I think, mickey, that you're off kilter for the following simple statistical reason.

    "Singer" has 7500 posts. About 7400 of them promoted his systems, which were not (according to the glitch story) the origins of his money. About 7400 of them were anti-AP. Dozens of them talked about arci, and mine, and kewlJ's "deservedly dead" spouses.

    Now we have 100 posts with a different tone (although, if you'll notice, "Singer" went on another bizarre spiel about me being anonymous). "Singer" is now an AP. "Singer" is now telling the truth.

    You have decided you are best served by a truce, and people who don't buy that are "trolling." Frankly, I don't even know what exactly "trolling" is supposed to be, but bear with me. Why should you get to make that call? Why should anyone reading these pages emphasize the last couple of months over a decade? Why should anyone prioritize 100 posts over 7400? Why should anyone agree to a truce? Because you say so?

    I think most people would simply say, "no thank you" to a truce. You say "okay," that's fine, but realistically, almost nobody is going to agree with you. So now you perceive it as a worse "trolling" site than before. That's your right, but you cannot realistically expect people to agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen, whether "Singer" used the glitch play or not.

    Now here's a question. KewlJ has mentioned what he would consider evidence for the glitch having happened. That evidence may be out there somewhere or maybe not. What evidence (or coincidence) would you consider convincing to demonstrate that the glitch did not happen? And I'm gonna shoot down the "offer a reward" angle. If somebody told "Singer" the play, they probably were not supposed to, so I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up in the desert with their dick in their mouth. If you do not have an answer to what would disconfirm the story, then we are in the realm of preferred beliefs, and not theories that can be disproven. Personally, I have some ideas that I would consider disconfirming, but I'll keep them to myself. I have no interest in pursuing them because I think "Singer" having done this makes him worse than if he hadn't. So let him live with his glitch story. It's a fitting cap to his career.

  12. #72
    The best way to undermine his story would be to show realistically how he might have obtained knowledge of the play. Or to get an insider to show that there's something wrong with Singer's version.

    Regarding the Popperian stuff, I would say the position that "well it can't be proven either way" is a major concession from what was originally the "obvious hoax" side.

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.
    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.

    I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because I think "Singer" lying about the origins of his money to thousands of readers makes him worse than if he hadn't, so I'm rooting for the story to be true. But I think, mickey, that you're off kilter for the following simple statistical reason.

    "Singer" has 7500 posts. About 7400 of them promoted his systems, which were not (according to the glitch story) the origins of his money. About 7400 of them were anti-AP. Dozens of them talked about arci, and mine, and kewlJ's "deservedly dead" spouses.

    Now we have 100 posts with a different tone (although, if you'll notice, "Singer" went on another bizarre spiel about me being anonymous). "Singer" is now an AP. "Singer" is now telling the truth.

    You have decided you are best served by a truce, and people who don't buy that are "trolling." Frankly, I don't even know what exactly "trolling" is supposed to be, but bear with me. Why should you get to make that call? Why should anyone reading these pages emphasize the last couple of months over a decade? Why should anyone prioritize 100 posts over 7400? Why should anyone agree to a truce? Because you say so?

    I think most people would simply say, "no thank you" to a truce. You say "okay," that's fine, but realistically, almost nobody is going to agree with you. So now you perceive it as a worse "trolling" site than before. That's your right, but you cannot realistically expect people to agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen, whether "Singer" used the glitch play or not.

    Now here's a question. KewlJ has mentioned what he would consider evidence for the glitch having happened. That evidence may be out there somewhere or maybe not. What evidence (or coincidence) would you consider convincing to demonstrate that the glitch did not happen? And I'm gonna shoot down the "offer a reward" angle. If somebody told "Singer" the play, they probably were not supposed to, so I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up in the desert with their dick in their mouth. If you do not have an answer to what would disconfirm the story, then we are in the realm of preferred beliefs, and not theories that can be disproven. Personally, I have some ideas that I would consider disconfirming, but I'll keep them to myself. I have no interest in pursuing them because I think "Singer" having done this makes him worse than if he hadn't. So let him live with his glitch story. It's a fitting cap to his career.
    First of all, you and KJ both willingly engaged in trolling back and forth with Singer. So he went a little more over the top than you guys did? So what? It's like one fighter telling another "Hey, that's no fair, you hit harder than me."

    Now, for this truce thing. Rob asked for a ceasefire and I obliged. That's the kind of person I am. I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't. But I never asked you to so your representation of "because I say so" is bogus. I didn't say "Hey, everybody let's all quit trolling Singer." I quit trolling him. I didn't ask anyone else to. If that's what gets you guys off then have at it. Troll him all you want. I don't care. But don't try to act like you are some kind of better more gentile troll than Rob. A troll is a troll is a troll.

    You haven't done it but KJ has tried to shame me into changing my opinion. My opinion on the double up bug is based on independent observation of the story and evidence at hand. Besides his detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts of the play--but also his knowledge of the machines, and working conditions there's that little thing called his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. KJ badly wants it to be just a coincidence. It was about as much of a coincidence as the blood in O.J.'s Bronco.

    The author of the Wired article is on Twitter. I'm about to message him with a link to the alanbestbuys article. I have over 700 followers on Twitter who will also read that message. It's probably going to get retweeted by many. So the story is going to get bigger and bigger. That means more and more people will have the opportunity to blow a hole in Rob's story. One thing is for sure. The only person to publish online a detailed account of how to eploit the double up bug is Rob Singer.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.

    I've tried to stay out of this, mainly because I think "Singer" lying about the origins of his money to thousands of readers makes him worse than if he hadn't, so I'm rooting for the story to be true. But I think, mickey, that you're off kilter for the following simple statistical reason.

    "Singer" has 7500 posts. About 7400 of them promoted his systems, which were not (according to the glitch story) the origins of his money. About 7400 of them were anti-AP. Dozens of them talked about arci, and mine, and kewlJ's "deservedly dead" spouses.

    Now we have 100 posts with a different tone (although, if you'll notice, "Singer" went on another bizarre spiel about me being anonymous). "Singer" is now an AP. "Singer" is now telling the truth.

    You have decided you are best served by a truce, and people who don't buy that are "trolling." Frankly, I don't even know what exactly "trolling" is supposed to be, but bear with me. Why should you get to make that call? Why should anyone reading these pages emphasize the last couple of months over a decade? Why should anyone prioritize 100 posts over 7400? Why should anyone agree to a truce? Because you say so?

    I think most people would simply say, "no thank you" to a truce. You say "okay," that's fine, but realistically, almost nobody is going to agree with you. So now you perceive it as a worse "trolling" site than before. That's your right, but you cannot realistically expect people to agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen, whether "Singer" used the glitch play or not.

    Now here's a question. KewlJ has mentioned what he would consider evidence for the glitch having happened. That evidence may be out there somewhere or maybe not. What evidence (or coincidence) would you consider convincing to demonstrate that the glitch did not happen? And I'm gonna shoot down the "offer a reward" angle. If somebody told "Singer" the play, they probably were not supposed to, so I wouldn't be surprised if they wound up in the desert with their dick in their mouth. If you do not have an answer to what would disconfirm the story, then we are in the realm of preferred beliefs, and not theories that can be disproven. Personally, I have some ideas that I would consider disconfirming, but I'll keep them to myself. I have no interest in pursuing them because I think "Singer" having done this makes him worse than if he hadn't. So let him live with his glitch story. It's a fitting cap to his career.
    First of all, you and KJ both willingly engaged in trolling back and forth with Singer. So he went a little more over the top than you guys did? So what? It's like one fighter telling another "Hey, that's no fair, you hit harder than me."

    Now, for this truce thing. Rob asked for a ceasefire and I obliged. That's the kind of person I am. I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't. But I never asked you to so your representation of "because I say so" is bogus. I didn't say "Hey, everybody let's all quit trolling Singer." I quit trolling him. I didn't ask anyone else to. If that's what gets you guys off then have at it. Troll him all you want. I don't care. But don't try to act like you are some kind of better more gentile troll than Rob. A troll is a troll is a troll.

    You haven't done it but KJ has tried to shame me into changing my opinion. My opinion on the double up bug is based on independent observation of the story and evidence at hand. Besides his detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts of the play--but also his knowledge of the machines, and working conditions there's that little thing called his retirement shortly after Kane got busted. KJ badly wants it to be just a coincidence. It was about as much of a coincidence as the blood in O.J.'s Bronco.

    The author of the Wired article is on Twitter. I'm about to message him with a link to the alanbestbuys article. I have over 700 followers on Twitter who will also read that message. It's probably going to get retweeted by many. So the story is going to get bigger and bigger. That means more and more people will have the opportunity to blow a hole in Rob's story. One thing is for sure. The only person to publish online a detailed account of how to eploit the double up bug is Rob Singer.
    First of all, I don't give a rat's ass about the glitch thing, one way or another. It's a glitch, for god's sake. Take credit for it; don't take credit for it. If you guys are writing a screenplay about it, best of luck. It ain't all that.

    As to "trolling," whatever it's supposed to be, you're basically arguing that anything anyone says negatively online about anyone else has the same weight, whether it's somebody pushing a non-math system for 7400 posts or someone debunking it? That's the argument coming from mickey crimm? That debunking a non-math system is trolling?

    I have never said one negative thing about "Singer's" wife. Ever. Ask him.

    Tell you what. "Singer" harangued (I know what that is) AP's for decades and 7500 posts here. Maybe 5000 posts elsewhere. As soon I have caught up numbers-wise, and as soon as I get to post a few dozen comments after his wife's death, including that she killed herself, we'll call it even. Have a truce and all that. That works for me. It may take awhile, though. And no, my late wife did not kill herself, in case anyone is wondering.

    And don't lump me in with kewlJ. He's stating his take on the glitch. I hope the glitch story is true, because it means "Singer" repeatedly lied to thousands of people who cared enough to read his stuff.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-23-2019 at 08:07 PM.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Now, for this truce thing. Rob asked for a ceasefire and I obliged. That's the kind of person I am. I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't.
    Here is the problem mickey. You can't just flip a switch and everything goes away like you are attempting to do. You and Rob can agree to stop calling each other names as you have apparently done for decades, but there is a little more to it that that. You have issued statements about Singer and his credibility. Some privately as I alluded to with your PM to me shortly after I joined VCT. Some publicly such as this response made to Bob21 shortly after he came to this site, only months ago.


    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Bob21, you are obviously not familiar with lowlife Rob Singer, aka, Robert Argentino. He's been writing the same bullshit in the gambling forums for 15 years. His entire narrative is how great his life is and how much your life sucks. KJ is just his latest target. He's trolled pretty much everyone in the gambling world and has been kicked off all the gambling forums except for this one. Argentino is not and has never been a gambling expert. His tactics are voodoo. He's just a straight up embicile with a big ego.
    These statements go to Singers credibility. And YOU told us that he had none. People took YOUR word, based on YOUR credibility. You now seem to be doing an about face and are saying that since you have made up with him we should ignore everything you have said about Singer's credibility for years? decades?

    I mean read this quote again! "Argentino is not and has never been a gambling expert. His tactics are voodoo. He's just a straight up embicile with a big ego!" This is a damning opinion, made by a guy that most of us have great respect for, and thus put a lot of stock in his opinion....YOU!. And now because you have made up with him, you seem to be saying....forget all that...none of it is true? I mean this now goes to your credibility.

    Now here is a big thing that you continue to dodge. There are two distinct parts to this. There is 1.) the double up bug claim and 2.) Singers VP system claim (now revised to 4 years 375k), playing -EV video poker.

    You have to separate these out. So let's completely forget about #1 for the time being. There STILL is the issue of #2, Singer's claim of VP winnings of $375 over 4 years. A claim he has doubled down on even after his double up bug claim. A claim he again made just days ago in with Alan, that was re-published by Alan. This claim has nothing to do with the double up bug claim. Nothing concerning the double up bug claim should have changed your mind from what you have said hundreds of times...That this is voodoo (see above) and can not be as Rob states the claim. And yet because of this truce, you now seem to have softened or reversed your position on this claim. Can you explain that because the ONLY thing that has changed is that you are now on friendlier terms with Singer. Are you telling us that because you are now friends with him everything you have said for years was a lie?

    I mean lets clear this up first and then we will move on to #1, the Double-up bug claim.

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    No, what KJ is saying is that he is now the main troll on the site. Rob would just as soon leave it all behind but KJ is not going to let that happen. He's become the type of poster that he always said he detested. He's going to troll Rob over this issue until the end of time.
    This is in fact very incorrect Mickey. While I have an opinion and have expressed it in no uncertain terms, which is my right, this discussion on multiple threads has died several times now and each time it is Rob Singer that posts something to resurrect the discussion debate. And each time he mentions me by name (handle) knowing and hoping that I will respond.

    Your new buddy is an attention whore. That is what these discussions are about and that is even what all his name-calling is about. He just can't stand when he is not the center of attention and always comes up with something to stir the pot and get everyone 'going' again.

    He has played you and you either don't realize it or don't want to realize it and sadly that is putting you at odds with everyone else that does see it.
    What, do you think a thread dies just after you make the last post? GTFO! The site has reduced to nothing but a troll site far worse than it was before Singer made his claim. And it's all coming from people other than the Singer faction. You are now the main troll. Fuck you telling me when a thread is dead. You keep on with this "new found friend" bullshit. I'm not and have never been on anyone's side but my own. That's the problem with you. You think everyone has to be on a side. You should see that I'm now being trolled by people that never trolled me before. All because idiots like you think I should be on a side and call Singer phony on the double up bug. You bags of shit can't stand for anyone to have their own independent opinion. That makes you and your "Singer is phony on the double up bug" faction the head king trolls of this now piece of shit site. All Singer is doing is firing back at your troll posts. But I'm glad you finally showed your true colors. I now know that I'm dealing with a complete bag of shit. Getting played by Singer? Fuck you. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S TRYING TO PLAY ME. My opinions don't change because of dickhead trolls like the others and you.
    This site has been a good source for Advantage Play. There are several good persons like Mickey, Monet and others that share information. It's US vs CASINO's. Unfortunately, some others do not wish to share information and it becomes US verses THEM instead of US vs the CASINOS. Why can't we all get along together and go back to figuring out how to leave a casino with more money than we came with.

    People PLEASE!!!!! Peace. Can't we all get along and keep the focus on helping each other make more MONEY

  17. #77
    I'm going to wrap up my two cents regarding this glitch debate with the following:

    If you go back years to my original posts regarding "Singer," you'll see that I was the guy who said he thought "Singer" had probably won the money he was claiming. If you want to call me an AP, I was the only AP on this site who said that multiple times. I was also the only person warning off folks who wanted to bet "Singer" regarding income taxes and W2Gs. I always brought up the old [I]Guys and Dolls[I] quote about the jack of spades spitting cider in your ear.

    "Singer" and I were in Las Vegas at the same time. There is a reason I said I thought he probably won the money he claimed to have won. Now understand something about Las Vegas relationships -- just because you won the money doesn't mean that it's your money. Now I'm sure mickey knows what I mean, and I'm sure monet knows what I mean. I think "Singer" won the money....

    Now, if you'll pardon me, college football prep started yesterday. Normally it's a July 5th prep start, but I have more things to do since Tennessee legalized sports betting for July 1st. Plus I gotta lose 12 pounds by the end of July -- that's the rule. If I'm not 178, no gambling.

    Mickey, I'm afraid I can't help with the screenplay. I took just one screenwriting class in my life, and it didn't go well. But if you want to hire some young talent, I know a La Cosa Nostra screenwriting specialist out of Charlotte.

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't.
    I also want to address this Mickey. It took Singer apologizing to you, and an agreement not to attack each other for you to "move on". I, and others got neither. The closest we got was Rob saying all those attacks was not really who he is. I am not going to say I forgive the things he said about my partner and my family including things about my mother. But I have moved on. And I have moved on without even getting an apology, because Rob doesn't seem capable of doing that. So I just took the high road and moved on. As proof of that you will note my wishing Rob a happy father's day spent with his family as well as at least twice expressing my sincere hope that his medical situation/operation went well.

    I have tried hard to treat Rob fairly and respectfully, but that doesn't mean I am going to ignore the fact that his Singer Video poker system and the claims he continues to make simply can not be. It was in your words mickey...voodoo 2 years ago. Voodoo, 2 months ago and voodoo now. Again this is completely separate from anything to do with the double up claim. The Singer video poker claim and strategy is complete voodoo and nonsense.

    And knowing that and knowing that he still continues to make these earth-is-flat claims, then we can move on to #1, the double up bug claim. Is that true? I don't know. I have seen nothing that backs it up and without that, I and others look to his credibility and guess what??

    You find him credible...power to you. That is your right. Some of the rest of us see nothing that would lead us to believe it is anything but more Singer voodoo...That is our right. And that has nothing to do with any grudge or not moving on. I HAVE moved on, but not credible is still not credible.

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't.
    I also want to address this Mickey. It took Singer apologizing to you, and an agreement not to attack each other for you to "move on". I, and others got neither. The closest we got was Rob saying all those attacks was not really who he is. I am not going to say I forgive the things he said about my partner and my family including things about my mother. But I have moved on. And I have moved on without even getting an apology, because Rob doesn't seem capable of doing that. So I just took the high road and moved on. As proof of that you will note my wishing Rob a happy father's day spent with his family as well as at least twice expressing my sincere hope that his medical situation/operation went well.

    I have tried hard to treat Rob fairly and respectfully, but that doesn't mean I am going to ignore the fact that his Singer Video poker system and the claims he continues to make simply can not be. It was in your words mickey...voodoo 2 years ago. Voodoo, 2 months ago and voodoo now. Again this is completely separate from anything to do with the double up claim. The Singer video poker claim and strategy is complete voodoo and nonsense.

    And knowing that and knowing that he still continues to make these earth-is-flat claims, then we can move on to #1, the double up bug claim. Is that true? I don't know. I have seen nothing that backs it up and without that, I and others look to his credibility and guess what??

    You find him credible...power to you. That is your right. Some of the rest of us see nothing that would lead us to believe it is anything but more Singer voodoo...That is our right. And that has nothing to do with any grudge or not moving on. I HAVE moved on, but not credible is still not credible.
    That's your opinion on the double up bug. Why the fuck would I care what your opinion is on it? I don't. But you goddam sure give a fuck about mine. Enough so that you have been trolling my ass to get me to change it. Fuck you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #80
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Now, for this truce thing. Rob asked for a ceasefire and I obliged. That's the kind of person I am. I can forget and move on. You and KJ obviously can't.
    Here is the problem mickey. You can't just flip a switch and everything goes away like you are attempting to do. You and Rob can agree to stop calling each other names as you have apparently done for decades, but there is a little more to it that that. You have issued statements about Singer and his credibility. Some privately as I alluded to with your PM to me shortly after I joined VCT. Some publicly such as this response made to Bob21 shortly after he came to this site, only months ago.


    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Bob21, you are obviously not familiar with lowlife Rob Singer, aka, Robert Argentino. He's been writing the same bullshit in the gambling forums for 15 years. His entire narrative is how great his life is and how much your life sucks. KJ is just his latest target. He's trolled pretty much everyone in the gambling world and has been kicked off all the gambling forums except for this one. Argentino is not and has never been a gambling expert. His tactics are voodoo. He's just a straight up embicile with a big ego.
    These statements go to Singers credibility. And YOU told us that he had none. People took YOUR word, based on YOUR credibility. You now seem to be doing an about face and are saying that since you have made up with him we should ignore everything you have said about Singer's credibility for years? decades?

    I mean read this quote again! "Argentino is not and has never been a gambling expert. His tactics are voodoo. He's just a straight up embicile with a big ego!" This is a damning opinion, made by a guy that most of us have great respect for, and thus put a lot of stock in his opinion....YOU!. And now because you have made up with him, you seem to be saying....forget all that...none of it is true? I mean this now goes to your credibility.

    Now here is a big thing that you continue to dodge. There are two distinct parts to this. There is 1.) the double up bug claim and 2.) Singers VP system claim (now revised to 4 years 375k), playing -EV video poker.

    You have to separate these out. So let's completely forget about #1 for the time being. There STILL is the issue of #2, Singer's claim of VP winnings of $375 over 4 years. A claim he has doubled down on even after his double up bug claim. A claim he again made just days ago in with Alan, that was re-published by Alan. This claim has nothing to do with the double up bug claim. Nothing concerning the double up bug claim should have changed your mind from what you have said hundreds of times...That this is voodoo (see above) and can not be as Rob states the claim. And yet because of this truce, you now seem to have softened or reversed your position on this claim. Can you explain that because the ONLY thing that has changed is that you are now on friendlier terms with Singer. Are you telling us that because you are now friends with him everything you have said for years was a lie?

    I mean lets clear this up first and then we will move on to #1, the Double-up bug claim.
    That quote of me you put up. That was some great trolling wasn't it? I'm a damn good troll when i want to be. You are kind of a lilly livered troll. All squishy and shit. I think the right word is....feminine.

    Nope. We ain't going to #2 first. And just to remind everyone else because you are so scatter brained in your obsession. I am the one that said the issues needed to be separated out. When I would write about the game king bug you would go to "Rob's a troll. His vp system is impossible." You couldn't keep the issues separated. And here you are doing it again. Fuck you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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