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  1. #81
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  2. #82
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    You are not really allowed to ask that quahaug. Mickey has decided that he NOW finds Rob Singer credible and the rest of us are supposed to fall in line, ignoring a long history that says otherwise and not asking questions of aspects that don't make sense to us.

  3. #83
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    You are not really allowed to ask that quahaug. Mickey has decided that he NOW finds Rob Singer credible and the rest of us are supposed to fall in line, ignoring a long history that says otherwise and not asking questions of aspects that don't make sense to us.
    You just can't help yourself, can you? It's Not even 7 am and your up poking bears. Again, I will ask. WTF is wrong with you? Let it go man, let it go.

  4. #84
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    You are not really allowed to ask that quahaug. Mickey has decided that he NOW finds Rob Singer credible and the rest of us are supposed to fall in line, ignoring a long history that says otherwise and not asking questions of aspects that don't make sense to us.
    You just can't help yourself, can you? It's Not even 7 am and your up poking bears. Again, I will ask. WTF is wrong with you? Let it go man, let it go.
    10am here on the east coast and that is time enough for a little truth.

    And the truth is that whether or not you, me or anyone else finds the double up claim credible, Rob returned to promoting his Singer System claim which continues to be impossible.

    I took some satisfaction in that unable to answer the mathematical challenges to the claim, Singer conceded that maybe his results were just on the unlikely end of the "Bell curve".

    But then he double down yet again, sending Alan what to publish word for word, including this now revised but still impossible claim of his system. And Alan, once again showing a complete lack of journalistic integrity publishes and promotes Rob's claim.

    Yeah it does piss me off. This claim of the singer system, separate from the double up bug claim continues to be mathematically impossible and I am going to continue to speak against it. And this is not personal against Rob...this is about impossible claims and misleading players.

  5. #85
    And funny thing about our old friend Alan. He publishes what Singer sent him, word for word and then adds a little disclaimer that 'some' on the forums challenge Rob's claims.

    That is like promoting the 'ice cream and cake diet' and offering the disclaimer that 'some' nutritionalists disagree with this diet.

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    I'll offer something on this.

    I believe it is factual to anyone who can use their heads, that the individual machine fixes sent out by IGT were not 100% implemented in every affected machine by every worldwide casino, cruise ship, or corner bar. In fact, in my infrequent research I've found two machines right here in Az. I've committed to axel that if I come across another when I get back to it, I won't exploit it but will inform him and he can do as he wishes. Maybe then or later he could let folks know that the detailed account I released was exact.

    Aside from this and aside from anything else about this event, has anyone been able to adequately dispute, question, or even comment on the sequence I've explained? No they haven't, and I expect that is a function of once a person is told how to operate this play, they cannot see any other method of how to do it.

    I've pointed out the flaws in how the sequence was reported in the Wired article, in which the sequence there seemed to combine playing for your own winning hand and what to do, with using an existing hand already paid out for and what to do. I know of no other source for this, other than kew desperately looking for it. I know axel mentioned the double up flaw was discussed at WoV in the past or with a friend who went over to Mesquite to help correct machines or something to that effect, but there has never been a precise sequence posted or published anywhere until I did that. If there has been, let's see it and I'll understand some of the skepticism.

    Until that time, may I suggest the arguing and accusations and name calling over this stop? If you're uneasy over any of it you're probably not going to be able to ever be comfortable. The best way forward is to just drop it and wait to see if any new info ever comes forth. Kew can have his conspiracy theories and dramas torture him if he wants--its just more of the same for him, which he needs. But I think we're done if and until something else pops up. I'm hoping really hard somebody else locates one or more of these machines. There's no way to explain the absolute feelings span you experience....from surreal to ecstatic to euphoric.

    Good luck.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-24-2019 at 08:24 AM.

  7. #87
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I must have missed something. If the machines have been fixed and you can't test it how could you know Robs detailed account of how to exploit the double up bug is correct? Mickey?
    You are not really allowed to ask that quahaug. Mickey has decided that he NOW finds Rob Singer credible and the rest of us are supposed to fall in line, ignoring a long history that says otherwise and not asking questions of aspects that don't make sense to us.
    You just can't help yourself, can you? It's Not even 7 am and your up poking bears. Again, I will ask. WTF is wrong with you? Let it go man, let it go.
    AxelWolf, if you aren’t interested in this topic anymore, then don’t open (or read) the thread. There are obviously quite a few people still interested in it, since these threads have a lot of views and different people continue posting on it, including Rob continuing to support his claims.

    Isn’t this partly what forums are for? To debate topics that various members find interesting. I’ve never understood the mindset of some members who get tired of a topic or thread and then try to shut it down. No one is making anyone read these threads. If you don’t want to read them, quite reading them. It’s that simple! But you shouldn’t try to shut them down.

    Btw, this is a common practice for many members/APs. It’s not just something that AxelWolf does. It seems like APs as a group are more into censorship than the mainstream public. Whenever an AP doesn’t agree with something or someone, they usually want that member banned or the thread shut down. I’ve had this happen to me many times. I’m glad Dan doesn’t think like this, and he believes in freedom of speech.

    To summarize: If people don’t like a thread or a member just block him (like Mickey does) or don’t read the thread. But please stop trying to impose your values on the rest of us.

  8. #88
    Quote:


    Bob21:


    "I’m glad Dan doesn’t think like this, and he believes in freedom of speech."




    1. this is not the spoken word. this is the written word. the reference you are stating refers to freedom of the press

    2. Constitutional freedom of the press and/or speech was never intended to serve as a mandate for private businesses or forums such as this

    3. its' intention is to prevent the Government from shutting down a newspaper that is voicing opposition or requiring a newspaper to print favorable articles - there are other relevant examples

    4. saying that words on this forum refer to freedom of the press and/or speech is like saying that if you wrote an editorial favoring Communism and sent it to Fox news online and they refuse to publish it that they have violated your freedom of speech and/or press

    5. if you feel somebody should be free to voice their opinion to continue a discussion on a thread on a forum such as this then a person should also be free to voice his opinion that a thread should be closed





    to summarize: what is or isn't allowed on a private forum such as this has nothing at all to do with the Constitutional principles of freedom of the press and/or speech
    Last edited by Half Smoke; 06-24-2019 at 09:52 AM.
    please don't feed the trolls

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Quote:
    5. if you feel somebody should be free to voice their opinion to continue a discussion on a thread on a forum such as this then a person should also be free to voice his opinion that a thread should be closed

    to summarize: what is or isn't allowed on a private forum such as this has nothing at all to do with the Constitutional principles of freedom of the press and/or speech

    /thread

  10. #90
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Quote:


    Bob21:


    "I’m glad Dan doesn’t think like this, and he believes in freedom of speech."




    1. this is not the spoken word. this is the written word. the reference you are stating refers to freedom of the press

    2. Constitutional freedom of the press and/or speech was never intended to serve as a mandate for private businesses or forums such as this

    3. its' intention is to prevent the Government from shutting down a newspaper that is voicing opposition or requiring a newspaper to print favorable articles - there are other relevant examples

    4. saying that words on this forum refer to freedom of the press and/or speech is like saying that if you wrote an editorial favoring Communism and sent it to Fox news online and they refuse to publish it that they have violated your freedom of speech and/or press

    5. if you feel somebody should be free to voice their opinion to continue a discussion on a thread on a forum such as this then a person should also be free to voice his opinion that a thread should be closed





    to summarize: what is or isn't allowed on a private forum such as this has nothing at all to do with the Constitutional principles of freedom of the press and/or speech
    Valid point. I’ve said many times a forum owner/moderator has the right to censor and bar people for any reason. It’s their site...they can do what the want to.

    I’ve been banned from Blackjack Apprenticeship for no other reason than because Colin said I wasn’t a good fit. I’ve said many time Colin had a right to do this. I never broke any rules, I didn’t call anybody names or threaten anybody and I still got banned. He owns the site...he has a right to ban me. I’m okay with that. For the record, the main reason Colin banned me is because I talked about tipping and defended casinos when APs made their normal stupid attacks against them.

    Norm has not banned me but he has deleated several of my posts and some had nothing to do with name calling between me or Freightman. Lol. He deleated one of my posts where I defended a casinos. Look that’s his right....it’s his forum. I get it.

    I complimented Dan because he has let me voice my opinion here. I have never had a post deleted here. I know he’s got pressure from Mickey and the Mickey camp to ban me, but he hasn’t done that. I’ve said many times it’s within his right to ban me if he wants to. And if he did, I would not come back as a sock puppet.

    To your point about someone trying to shut down a thread, you’re right they have that right. And the other side has a right to try keep it open. The ultimate right goes to the moderator who can do whatever they want to since they own the site.

    With all this said, I have been surprised at how many APs believe in censorship and banning members for no other reason than because they don’t agree with them.

    The good news is if a totalitarian government ever takes over America, the AP community will get in line and be okay with it, since so many already believe in censorship. Lol
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-24-2019 at 11:55 AM.

  11. #91
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner


    so do you believe that the same type of methods can make a player a long term winner at other games such as baccarat where there is a very low house edge on the bet on Banker or Player?
    please don't feed the trolls

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner


    so do you believe that the same type of methods can make a player a long term winner at other games such as baccarat where there is a very low house edge on the bet on Banker or Player?
    The amount of house edge such as in baccarat or any other game (I assume we're talking about a very small edge) would make that a tough question to answer. I know very little about any other casino game outside of video poker. I put in a lot of work in shaping my vp strategy to succeed not because of the small disadvantage that had to be overcome, but because I did not want it to be a grind-in-out proposition. And it wasn't.

    That's where win goal vs. bankroll came into play (5%), as were the many special plays that were utilized in order to experience as much good luck as possible. Table games are a grind-it-out thing and grind-it-out requires a close relationship with the math, while vp offers a vast variety of small to medium to huge winning sessions that can and have proven to render that tiny house edge on -EV games irrelevant.

    Along with that I'd like to add that, had I only played +EV games with my strategy assuming they were available which they weren't, my winnings would have been insignificantly different from what they actually were. This notion that you just cannot win on -EV games over the long term does not apply to everyone or every strategy. Some people are just too capable in that they can use their head in order to solve seemingly unsolvable problems. I did the same type of thing when I solved the double up anomaly.

  13. #93
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner


    so do you believe that the same type of methods can make a player a long term winner at other games such as baccarat where there is a very low house edge on the bet on Banker or Player?
    The amount of house edge such as in baccarat or any other game (I assume we're talking about a very small edge) would make that a tough question to answer. I know very little about any other casino game outside of video poker. I put in a lot of work in shaping my vp strategy to succeed not because of the small disadvantage that had to be overcome, but because I did not want it to be a grind-in-out proposition. And it wasn't.

    That's where win goal vs. bankroll came into play (5%), as were the many special plays that were utilized in order to experience as much good luck as possible. Table games are a grind-it-out thing and grind-it-out requires a close relationship with the math, while vp offers a vast variety of small to medium to huge winning sessions that can and have proven to render that tiny house edge on -EV games irrelevant.

    Along with that I'd like to add that, had I only played +EV games with my strategy assuming they were available which they weren't, my winnings would have been insignificantly different from what they actually were. This notion that you just cannot win on -EV games over the long term does not apply to everyone or every strategy. Some people are just too capable in that they can use their head in order to solve seemingly unsolvable problems. I did the same type of thing when I solved the double up anomaly.

    C'mon dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner


    so do you believe that the same type of methods can make a player a long term winner at other games such as baccarat where there is a very low house edge on the bet on Banker or Player?
    Half Smoke, for the record, this question has been asked many times of him, all resulting in similar non-answers to what you received. The other question that generally goes unanswered is at what percentage return do his systems fail? All systems have a fail point, presumably. Those fail points should be able to be precisely established, if one is actually using math. For example, does AARP (for seniors) fail at 95.7% return or 94.1% return, or 92.2% return, given a particular game? What about a different game? What about a different system? There are no answers to these questions, because there is no established math.

    It's all about "luck."

    This has all been gone through many, many times, to the point of banality and always with the same results. If you want, ask the forum owner what he thinks of the voodoo in a PM. Seriously, if you could sort through all of the thousands of posts going back to arci, these aspects of the voodoo have been brought up again and again and again...and again.

    Putting a veneer of "it's as brilliant as my finding the glitch" on everything is just silly. I may as well suggest, "My IQ tests demonstrate that I know what I'm doing at limit hold 'em and betting hockey." I don't.

    I give "Singer" credit, though. He doesn't get bored pushing the same gobbledygook for decades. Think about that. Decades without a whit of math. Some people would give it up. He's either indefatigable or desperate or mentally ill or thinks people are getting dumber as the years go by. I salute him. He's probably right about people getting dumber. Eventually his systems may catch on. He just has to live long enough.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-24-2019 at 03:27 PM.

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner
    This notion that you just cannot win on -EV games over the long term does not apply to everyone or every strategy. Some people are just too capable in that they can use their head in order to solve seemingly unsolvable problems.
    So you overcame the math because it didn't really apply to you or your strategy? That's fantastic! In the distant future when the world finally catches on to your odds bending techniques, the mathematicians may need to invent a new type of probability analysis to truly understand your play.

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Rob: you believe your martingale variation combined with your stop loss and stop wins accounted for your video poker play being a long term winner
    This notion that you just cannot win on -EV games over the long term does not apply to everyone or every strategy. Some people are just too capable in that they can use their head in order to solve seemingly unsolvable problems.
    So you overcame the math because it didn't really apply to you or your strategy? That's fantastic! In the distant future when the world finally catches on to your odds bending techniques, the mathematicians may need to invent a new type of probability analysis to truly understand your play.

    "Singer" is like Marvel's Scarlet Witch. He controls probability fields near him. It's a mutant ability.

    Many times, I suggested to "Singer" that he should take a crack at the James Randi Foundation's million-dollar test of paranormal abilities. Unfortunately, I believe that challenge has ended. Now he'll have to earn the money by finding another glitch.

    Thank God this has become a WoV West Coast or something. For the longest time, it was just arci taking "Singer" on. Then it was mainly arci and me. Not many logic enthusiasts on the old Best Buys forum. Now, thankfully, there are plenty of people to ask the obvious questions. I feel a stop loss/win goal debate on the horizon. Like a darkening storm. LOL. Have fun with it.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-24-2019 at 04:05 PM.

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This notion that you just cannot win on -EV games over the long term does not apply to everyone or every strategy. Some people are just too capable in that they can use their head in order to solve seemingly unsolvable problems.
    So you overcame the math because it didn't really apply to you or your strategy? That's fantastic! In the distant future when the world finally catches on to your odds bending techniques, the mathematicians may need to invent a new type of probability analysis to truly understand your play.

    "Singer" is like Marvel's Scarlet Witch. He controls probability fields near him. It's a mutant ability.

    Many times, I suggested to "Singer" that he should take a crack at the James Randi Foundation's million-dollar test of paranormal abilities. Unfortunately, I believe that challenge has ended. Now he'll have to earn the money by finding another glitch.

    Thank God this has become a WoV West Coast or something. For the longest time, it was just arci taking "Singer" on. Then it was mainly arci and me. Not many logic enthusiasts on the old Best Buys forum. Now, thankfully, there are plenty of people to ask the obvious questions. I feel a stop loss/win goal debate on the horizon. Like a darkening storm. LOL. Have fun with it.
    Weird. Just plain weird....and obsessed.

    If anyone has any specific, valid questions, I'll answer them.

  18. #98
    I'm not sure I can top the weirdness of trying to solve math problems with a rabbit's foot. It's unfortunate that the new, improved "Singer" has the same old schtick.

    For God's sake, man, tell them you found a glitch in probability theory that allows you to double up. That's the ticket.

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm not sure I can top the weirdness of trying to solve math problems with a rabbit's foot. It's unfortunate that the new, improved "Singer" has the same old schtick.

    For God's sake, man, tell them you found a glitch in probability theory that allows you to double up. That's the ticket.
    Weird. Just plain weird.

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    You are not really allowed to ask that quahaug. Mickey has decided that he NOW finds Rob Singer credible and the rest of us are supposed to fall in line, ignoring a long history that says otherwise and not asking questions of aspects that don't make sense to us.
    You just can't help yourself, can you? It's Not even 7 am and your up poking bears. Again, I will ask. WTF is wrong with you? Let it go man, let it go.
    AxelWolf, if you aren’t interested in this topic anymore, then don’t open (or read) the thread. There are obviously quite a few people still interested in it, since these threads have a lot of views and different people continue posting on it, including Rob continuing to support his claims.

    Isn’t this partly what forums are for? To debate topics that various members find interesting. I’ve never understood the mindset of some members who get tired of a topic or thread and then try to shut it down. No one is making anyone read these threads. If you don’t want to read them, quite reading them. It’s that simple! But you shouldn’t try to shut them down.

    Btw, this is a common practice for many members/APs. It’s not just something that AxelWolf does. It seems like APs as a group are more into censorship than the mainstream public. Whenever an AP doesn’t agree with something or someone, they usually want that member banned or the thread shut down. I’ve had this happen to me many times. I’m glad Dan doesn’t think like this, and he believes in freedom of speech.

    To summarize: If people don’t like a thread or a member just block him (like Mickey does) or don’t read the thread. But please stop trying to impose your values on the rest of us.
    I know you don't want it to stop because you love and live for all fighting and trolling aspects. You probably love the fact that everyone is shitting on each other, and its putting everyone including AP's at odds with each other over all this. I know exactly what your game is and how you like to operate.

    Anyways, this has nothing to do with ME wanting t or not to read or talk about this. This has to do with me telling KJ he should let it go, its not healthy for him. I guess I could have just PMed him.

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