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  1. #21
    I am going to say a few things and then I am done with the subject. We have a nice day planned with my Mother that I want to get to. Several of my AP friends have suggested that possibly Singer did participate with a rather well know and lucrative AP machine play years ago. He seems to have some knowledge that only someone that actually participated in the play would have. It is still possible he learned of this play after the fact and that knowledge passed down. But I will give him the benefit of doubt that he executed this play and made good money from it for years. In part I give him the benefit of doubt because the timing is right for when he played.

    But this does not excuse him of intentionally lying and misleading players for 20 years with his progressive wagering, stop limits and "special plays" bullshit. For 20 years he has claimed this progressive wagering system, stop limits and "special plays" is how he made over a million dollars. And for 20 year people that know the math, have challenged him that what he was claiming was mathematically impossible. He never answered those challenges with any kind of legitimate explanation that held any water mathematically, instead, he answered those challenges with personal attacks of the members making legitimate challenges based on math, as well as their family members, including some who had passed. There was no excuse for any of this. This was not a misdirect to protect his play. All he had to do to protect his play was not talk about it.

    Furthermore as part of this 20 year lie and intentional misleading and hurting other players, Singer went as far as to write books on his phony, mathematically impossible methods. He used a "friendship" with Alan Mendelson to make goofy videos backing up his false claims. I guess he used years of a column he wrote as well (that was before my time).

    The fact that he may have participated and executed a legitimate advantage play, does not excuse any of this intentional lying and misleading and harming players.

    Did this Singer thing turn a little personal with me? Sure. He attacked me very personally, because I challenged his math. But I can deal with that. I have been attacked in that same personal manner for 20 years since high school. He then attacked my partner/spouse, a person who never even participated on this forum, after he had passed away with complete lies. I don't take very kindly to that.

    But mostly it was and continues to be about the claims for me. Mathematically impossible claims that were misleading and harmful to other players and members. While players have a responsibility to figure out "who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking", I believe there is also a responsibility of legitimate players to challenge complete mathematically impossible bullshit that is presented in such a way that it is harming other players. I have done that twice on these forums now, with a blackjack player that strung together such an elaborate story, you could see young players falling for his BS. 5% advantage from blackjack card counting using his super duper system. And Now Singer is the second case that I have put myself in the line of fire challenging outrageous BS.

    Challenging these fucktards is not something I take lightly. Many people/players make claims that I don't believe and I say nothing. It has to rise to an egregious level where you see people getting sucked in and possible hurt. I guess you can make the case that Moses is the 3rd such person I challenged. And Moses really didn't rise to that egregious level. No one was buying his bullshit of professional blackjack play in Reno, where it is impossible to do so. I just got tired of Moses following me around from forum to forum trolling me, so I exposed him, as the low level red chip player playing for peanuts, who has no clue what he is talking about as far as professional blackjack play and the variance involved.

    So the bottom line is Singer may very well have executed an AP play. May have made some money from it. Possible some serious money for a few years, although his public financial reports and records don't suggest that. But that doesn't change the fact that he intentionally lied and mislead players with mathematically claims in a rather elaborate scheme for 20 years. So while some of the AP community may welcome him, I think he is the biggest sleezebag I have encountered in the AP community.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-12-2019 at 09:39 AM.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I am going to say a few things and...
    KeelJ, i’d like to correct a small inaccuracy in your first sentence. Instead of saying “few”, you should change this word to “many”.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I am going to say a few things and...
    KeelJ, i’d like to correct a small inaccuracy in your first sentence. Instead of saying “few”, you should change this word to “many”.
    You are wrong. I had just a few points. Unfortunately I have a rather long drawn-out way of making my points.

    The points are that I along with others challenged Singer's 20 year impossible and misleading claims. And we have no been proven right. Those claims and the elaborate scheme he put into them have now been unequivocally proven false. A 20 year lie.

    Point number 2 is that Singer may or may not have played an advantage play for a number of years that made him significant money. I find it interesting that the usual "gottch ya" / "prove it crowd" remains silent. Interesting, but not surprising. I myself require no proof of anyone. I never do. Forums are not a court of law. No one is on trial or required to prove anything. I am someone who judged whether the person knows what they are talking about or not based on their volume of what they say and know. This instance happens to be above my knowledge, but those that I respect in this field suggest it is very possible. On the other hand I am not ready to take the word of a person who has lied to the community and intentionally mislead players for 20 years.....for absolutely no reason.

    It is a very muddied case and one person is responsible for that. Wouldn't it have been nice if Singer had just been honest for all these years. He wouldn't have had to give any details of anything he was doing, just not make up an elaborate misleading mathematically impossible BS. Most AP's don't give much detail of specific plays. But none do what Singer did either. There was just no need for all that shit.

  4. #24
    I'll tell you, I would like to hear thoughts from 2 people, Dan Druff and Alan Mendelson.

    Dan Druff, like so many of us occasionally challenged Singer's BS with statements like "you know what you are claiming is all but impossible right?" Singer didn't respond to Dan Druff as he did the rest of us with personal attacks. He wouldn't dare. But being Dan Druff has always been somewhat objective, I would just be interested in his thoughts.

    And Alan, may be the biggest victim of Singer's ordeal. Not that Alan played or lost alot of money playing Singer's bullshit "system". Just the fact that Singer used Alan and his "friendship" as he did. It usually comes down to these guys can't pull off their schemes, without some help. Someone that knowingly or unknowingly enabled and helps them. While I respect Alan's decision not to participate here any longer, I would like to know his thoughts being he was involved with this ordeal for so many years. I hope he will consider a one time return on that basis.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    I'll let them know, Rob. But I doubt there will be a face to face meeting. Dancer and Munchkin are not even face to face most of the time. Dancer is in Vegas and Munchkin is in California when they record most shows.
    OK thanks. I didn't realize that.

    Red, what does LVA have to do with this or the show?

    Kew, you're long on hot air and short on reading comprehension (and you've allowed conflict to drive your lonely little life). What mickey's been doing is good for him, and I'd never disparage anyone making a living for themselves anywhere unless I were joking around--which I said I've been doing for years with him but have now stopped. But don't get that confused with the slimy little relevance and attention seeking internet concoction that is you.

    In fact, I've thought this over some more. Like axel, mickey's life is lived inside the gambling world. As that part of my life comes to a close, I believe he also would find the truth about what I did after stopping my successful SPS play, to be very interesting, and it would answer a whole lotta questions he's had about things that haven't made much sense to him over the years. So I will explain it all to him either way. He deserves to know.
    Rob, I have a draft letter working this morning. I need at least a little information to relay to Dancer and Munchkin. Are you talking about a video poker play or some other type of AP play?

    And you are probably right about the play not being in my wheelhouse. I'm guessing that I probably didn't have enough bankroll in those years to exploit the play.
    It was and still is (probably rarely but I don't go to casinos much any more) only a vp play. I say it's not your thing only because of where you live and the places you travel to to find your plays...and the kind of plays you write about. When I played my strategy for the first four years I needed a good sized bankroll. This play, however, for the most part did not.

    Yes, this has been a cease fire request, and I've always respected your ability to dish it out.

    Here's my latest idea on this before you contact anyone. How about I pm you my cell and we set a time where I will explain the details of how I did what I did. Then I'll decide how and if I want to proceed or not.

    To dispel all the hot air nonsense flowing out of kew's twisted mind, after you understand the play you will also understand why I waited until now to talk about it. The reason is valid and solid and you will agree. It it not something like kew wants it to be and for his usual biased and dumb reasons.

    BTW kew....are you aware that what you call my "mathematically impossible vp strategy claims" is wrong on two counts? First, I used it for (again) for 4 years straight enabling a $375k net profit. Is that not your precious "long term". 150-200 sessions? And....if you had any mathematical acumen in that wimpy body of yours at all, you'd understand that my strategy IS mathematically possible of producing a consistent profit. Go ahead, get with redietz. Go visit as many university math professors as you can find, ask them, then report back.Then wise up dopey.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-12-2019 at 11:11 AM.

  6. #26
    Singer, don't you think you owe Mickeycrimm an apology for years of the nasty lies you spewed about him. Attacks about his level of education. Attacks about his drinking addiction that he has admirably overcome and you knew he had overcome and yet you still attacked with vicious lies? What kind of man behaves like that?

    In reality, you owe quite a number of people an apology. Not me, as I neither expect nor would accept one, but really the mickey thing was way out of line. What about attacks on Redeitz's wife who had passed and arci before that? What kind of man does these things? Let's just see if you have any semblance of decency within you.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-12-2019 at 11:19 AM.

  7. #27
    I view mickey as a decent person whom I've enjoyed jousting with. Insults and attacks are employed and expected in that arena. Both of us did that, and if you knew people instead of pretending you do with your concocted internet personality--one which you've fallen far far short of a respectable mark (which is hilarious in and of itself)--you'd know apologies from either side is not necessary.

    redietz and arci? They deserved every bit of face-slapping that they've received, and I'd do it over and over again if they said the same stupid things.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I view mickey as a decent person whom I've enjoyed jousting with. Insults and attacks are employed and expected in that arena. Both of us did that, and if you knew people instead of pretending you do with your concocted internet personality--one which you've fallen far far short of a respectable mark (which is hilarious in and of itself)--you'd know apologies from either side is not necessary.

    redietz and arci? They deserved every bit of face-slapping that they've received, and I'd do it over and over again if they said the same stupid things.
    Yeah, that's about what I expected. Shows what kind of person you are. Calling someone a drunk as you attempt to discredit him, when you know damn right well he overcame that obstacle is not "jousting". It is the act of a very small person.

    Redietz and arci as well as myself under no circumstances deserved what you said about their deceased spouses. Despite everything that has transpired I would never wish your wife died or celebrate her passing if she did. You thinking that this is acceptable "jousting" shows what a low life you are. You haven't experienced the tremendous pain of losing someone who you consider your soulmate and have chosen to spend your life with. And while it is inevitable that either you or your wife will experience that, I hope it is far, far in the future. Decent human beings just don't wish or celebrate this kind of personal hurt and loss like this.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Just because someone is a lifelong ploppie and has ridiculous strategy beliefs, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't know about a few advantage plays and know how to utilize them.
    Exactly. That's why I don't get the point.

    Obviously, the 200K jackpot posting was supposed to engender some envy or respect because it was a marginal advantage play. After it failed to generate sufficient interest or respect, we've moved on to this.

  10. #30
    Food for thought: My strategies worked in the past just as they would work now. This "special AP play" worked so well because my strategies got me to the point that it would work so well, especially with QUADS.

  11. #31
    I didnt read this entire thread i just skimmed a few things. I havent l kept up with the other thread either. I just don't have time right now.

    KJ you are correct I have no way of knowing if Rob actually played this. I have had some people guess what it is correctly. As I said before I don't think it would be too hard to prove you were playing it.

    I want to report as fair as I can. In my other post I said that Rob had some information I thought was kept from the general public and that info wasn't really known, unless you had played it, knew someone on the inside, or knew someone who at least knew someone who played it and they gave out those details. I asked somome who has more information about this than most. They told me that information was out there. He was almost certain that information was published somewhere. When I get the time and I feel like it, I will look for that for that information online and see what comes up. If anyone else knows what I'm talking about feel free to help search if you care to as the person I talked to was couldn't 100% remember if the information was public. He was just very certain it had been something he also read online. Rob did talk about the play very fluently as of he had played it. But again, I could do the same thing and I have never played it. I'm sure others could have as well. Would they be able to do that fluently while being questioned without any mistakes?

  12. #32
    Rob, you can go ahead and PM me your phone number. Meanwhile I just PM'd you my number.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #33
    OK mickey we'll get this done in the next 2 days.

    Regarding if this play has been talked about online or not. I believe I told axel I did read something about it about 7-8 years ago, but remembering back, some of the info about it was incorrect. I lived and breathed the play in complete silence for better than 5 years until it abruptly ended. But, as I've discovered, it has not 100% left us. Almost, but not quite.

    Now to the point from the guy who says he never requires or expects to give proof of any gambling claims....I can't produce video evidence or W2G's on this being ten years down the road. 3 years is the IRS statute. But there is a reason I waited to bring this up now instead of 5,6, or 7 years ago. A very VALID reason as I've said.

    I'll explain it all to mickey today or tomorrow. The rest I'll leave to the critics.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    OK mickey we'll get this done in the next 2 days.

    Regarding if this play has been talked about online or not. I believe I told axel I did read something about it about 7-8 years ago, but remembering back, some of the info about it was incorrect. I lived and breathed the play in complete silence for better than 5 years until it abruptly ended. But, as I've discovered, it has not 100% left us. Almost, but not quite.

    Now to the point from the guy who says he never requires or expects to give proof of any gambling claims....I can't produce video evidence or W2G's on this being ten years down the road. 3 years is the IRS statute. But there is a reason I waited to bring this up now instead of 5,6, or 7 years ago. A very VALID reason as I've said.

    I'll explain it all to mickey today or tomorrow. The rest I'll leave to the critics.
    Rob, I have one question which I don't expect I will get an answer or at least not a satisfying answer to (just as I didn't on your behavior towards Mickey).

    If you had this play, and this is how you made the money you claim you made, why did you lie for 20 years, about the progressive wagering and stop limit nonsense? 20 years? Even writing books? 20 years of lying and misleading players like slingshot and many more who were hurt financially following your BS claim, that you knew was all BS. Haven't you even claimed to have privately taught many students? And don't answer that you were protecting anything because that is bullshit. All you had to do to protect this play would have been to keep your mouth shut.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-13-2019 at 08:41 AM.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I didnt read this entire thread i just skimmed a few things. I havent l kept up with the other thread either. I just don't have time right now.

    KJ you are correct I have no way of knowing if Rob actually played this. I have had some people guess what it is correctly. As I said before I don't think it would be too hard to prove you were playing it.

    I want to report as fair as I can. In my other post I said that Rob had some information I thought was kept from the general public and that info wasn't really known, unless you had played it, knew someone on the inside, or knew someone who at least knew someone who played it and they gave out those details. I asked somome who has more information about this than most. They told me that information was out there. He was almost certain that information was published somewhere. When I get the time and I feel like it, I will look for that for that information online and see what comes up. If anyone else knows what I'm talking about feel free to help search if you care to as the person I talked to was couldn't 100% remember if the information was public. He was just very certain it had been something he also read online. Rob did talk about the play very fluently as of he had played it. But again, I could do the same thing and I have never played it. I'm sure others could have as well. Would they be able to do that fluently while being questioned without any mistakes?
    Axelwolf, while I don't know the details of this play and probably wouldn't understand it if I did, I am still able to say that speaking only for myself, Rob's story just doesn't add up. Nothing new there, nothing Rob says ever adds up.

    But seriously....20 years of this elaborate lie that he made millions from progressive betting and stop limits (which the math says is impossible). 20 years! He wrote book(s). He did videos. Betraying Alan, who calls Rob a friend. He claims to have taught many students privately. 20 years!

    With this new revelation by Axel that the info on this play is now publicly available (after the fact), it makes much more sense that knowing he had lost all and I mean ALL credibility with his original claim, Singer changed course and is now claiming he made the money he says, using a legitimate advantage play and is using the information of a past play that he probably just recently discovered.

    While I don't know the details of this play, any one who is an AP, even at the very elementary end like I am, knows that information about various plays become available after the play is dead, all the time....I mean ALL THE TIME.

  16. #36
    This play would not file under normal legit AP play. It's an advantage, yes. But its not like playing progressives, promotions, or machines that are over 100%. In terms you can understand, I would equate it with finding shuffle machines that you knew exactly when it was going to give you a blackjack. You could go around to multiple casinos and pick how much you wanted to make within reason.

    Once given the information about this play you would be able to understand how and why it was a big advantage, if you found the opportunity, you would be able to do it as well.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-13-2019 at 10:59 AM.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    OK mickey we'll get this done in the next 2 days.

    Regarding if this play has been talked about online or not. I believe I told axel I did read something about it about 7-8 years ago, but remembering back, some of the info about it was incorrect. I lived and breathed the play in complete silence for better than 5 years until it abruptly ended. But, as I've discovered, it has not 100% left us. Almost, but not quite.

    Now to the point from the guy who says he never requires or expects to give proof of any gambling claims....I can't produce video evidence or W2G's on this being ten years down the road. 3 years is the IRS statute. But there is a reason I waited to bring this up now instead of 5,6, or 7 years ago. A very VALID reason as I've said.

    I'll explain it all to mickey today or tomorrow. The rest I'll leave to the critics.
    I still have some W2G's from over 20 years ago and I'm horrible at organization when it comes to paper work and certain things. You don't save that type of stuff? You seem like the type of guy who would be somewhat organized and want to save that stuff.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-13-2019 at 11:03 AM.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    OK mickey we'll get this done in the next 2 days.

    Regarding if this play has been talked about online or not. I believe I told axel I did read something about it about 7-8 years ago, but remembering back, some of the info about it was incorrect. I lived and breathed the play in complete silence for better than 5 years until it abruptly ended. But, as I've discovered, it has not 100% left us. Almost, but not quite.

    Now to the point from the guy who says he never requires or expects to give proof of any gambling claims....I can't produce video evidence or W2G's on this being ten years down the road. 3 years is the IRS statute. But there is a reason I waited to bring this up now instead of 5,6, or 7 years ago. A very VALID reason as I've said.

    I'll explain it all to mickey today or tomorrow. The rest I'll leave to the critics.
    I still have some W2G's from over 20 years ago and I'm horrible at organization when it comes to paper work and certain things. You don't save that type of stuff? You seem like the type of guy who would be somewhat organized and want to save that stuff.
    The IRS hit me with a multi-year audit for most of these years, and they ended up paying me $800 because I was so careful doing honest returns with all this. As each year passes I keep only the last 3 years of files. I am not a hoarder by any means.

    Kew, once again your extrapolation is wrong. I taught and still do teach my strategy for the past 20 years because it was very successful for the four years that I played it.

  19. #39
    Whatever play this is, Rob saw someone else doing it. No way in hell he knew about this or played it. Only thing being played here are the AP's. Wise up!!

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Whatever play this is, Rob saw someone else doing it. No way in hell he knew about this or played it. Only thing being played here are the AP's. Wise up!!
    Again, you're wrong. You must sleep in the same bed kew does, having the same wet dreams. If you knew what this play was/is, there's no way you would have written that first sentence. Come to think of it, someone who has no idea what free play is or how to use it, just might be capable of posting something so utterly moronic.

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