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  1. #761
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #762
    As tough as this is to say, I believe jbjb, as one-track minded as he is, is going about this the proper way. He doesn't want to believe me, he has the same deep hatred of me that kew stews over with, and even if his own mother appeared in front of him standing next to the world's most trusted truth-teller saying they both saw me put down this play for years....he just couldn't allow himself to accept that which he is never able to accept.

    The guy is handling this event FAR more logically and dignified than the immature kew. And I'll bet jbjb is even the younger of the two.

    BTW, when I came out with this it was also my time to act like I am in real life here. No more nonsense, trolling, embellishing, insulting or anything that I wouldn't do at home. There was lots of pressure on me over the years because of what I did and how I chose to act in order to keep my mind busy with "entertainment", I knew I could handle it, and I knew there'd be a few people who would never forgive or forget, because they're not like mickey and can't distinguish between the important things and the irrelevant stuff.

    I was just thinking---if I had posted on wizard's forum for instance somewhere in 2005-2009, that I had found the most advantageous vp play ever at well over 150% that only works on machines where the double up option was enabled....and did not explain the rest of the details because I wanted to keep thisplay all to myself, what do you think they'd have said about me? I did think about doing that at the time, and I thought of taking in all the ridicule and then releasing the play to wizard. But that would be the end of my run, and the law might have been all over me if any casino could prove I did it.

    So how I handled this is the overall best scenario I could think of. People who can rationalize while being able to separate the bs from everything else understand this. Others let their hatred do their talking. I was prepared for both.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-18-2019 at 11:06 AM.

  3. #763
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.

  4. #764
    Lol Rob’s trolling the shit out of Mickey and he’s just eating it up.
    #FreeTyde

  5. #765
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Lol Rob’s trolling the shit out of Mickey and he’s just eating it up.

  6. #766
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-18-2019 at 03:30 PM.

  7. #767
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Lol Rob’s trolling the shit out of Mickey and he’s just eating it up.
    You are correct.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  8. #768
    Rob, I don’t think you found the double up bug on your own, but even if you did I don’t know what’s so great about it. I mean it was just a bug in a program that two nitwits found when they were drunk randomly pushing a bunch of buttons. And I think anybody that wasn’t dropped on their head when they were a baby would have figured out how “to get away with it”. All you’d have to do is not hammer the same casino again and again until they’re on to you.

    The thing I’m more fascinated about is that you believe there are fathers who go around stealing loaves of bread to feed their starving families, rather than just getting a job like most people. How do you know this is happening? Because you have landed in a lot of airports in a lot of countries. And if anybody doesn’t believe you, you’ll just show them the stamps in your passport. In your mind that proves you know what every poor person in every third world country is doing.

    I’ve always found this one of the dumbest arguments liberals use for believe stealing is okay in some situations. They always trot out this example...the good ‘ol dad who keeps his family alive by stealing loaves of bread. Now I finally know someone who knows these people. It’s the same guy who claims he discovered the double up bug. Who’d of thunk it. Learn something new every day.
    Last edited by Bob21; 06-18-2019 at 04:34 PM.

  9. #769
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Rob never, and I mean NEVER partook in ANY of these glitches, plays etc. Again, anyone, and that includes AP's, that are falling for this, are completely stupid!! Wise the fuck up!!!!
    FUCK YOU, BITCH. NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY MAKES UP MY MIND FOR ME. NOBODY BROW BEATS ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. NOBODY CAJOLES ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. YOU'RE A SNIVELING LITTLE BITCH JUST LIKE KJ. YOU TWO CAN'T STAND IT THAT ROB PUT THIS PLAY DOWN. JEALOUS BAGS OF SHIT.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #770
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Lol Rob’s trolling the shit out of Mickey and he’s just eating it up.
    LOL! RS FINALLY SHOWS HIS STUPIDITY.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #771
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Rob never, and I mean NEVER partook in ANY of these glitches, plays etc. Again, anyone, and that includes AP's, that are falling for this, are completely stupid!! Wise the fuck up!!!!
    FUCK YOU, BITCH. NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY MAKES UP MY MIND FOR ME. NOBODY BROW BEATS ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. NOBODY CAJOLES ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. YOU'RE A SNIVELING LITTLE BITCH JUST LIKE KJ. YOU TWO CAN'T STAND IT THAT ROB PUT THIS PLAY DOWN. JEALOUS BAGS OF SHIT.
    Your fuse was lit

  12. #772
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Rob never, and I mean NEVER partook in ANY of these glitches, plays etc. Again, anyone, and that includes AP's, that are falling for this, are completely stupid!! Wise the fuck up!!!!
    FUCK YOU, BITCH. NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY MAKES UP MY MIND FOR ME. NOBODY BROW BEATS ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. NOBODY CAJOLES ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. YOU'RE A SNIVELING LITTLE BITCH JUST LIKE KJ. YOU TWO CAN'T STAND IT THAT ROB PUT THIS PLAY DOWN. JEALOUS BAGS OF SHIT.
    Your fuse was lit
    Yeah, that’s the way I saw it too. Be careful, Mickey might put you on ignore. When he really gets upset, he puts you on ignore (or should I say he “taps out”) and then he sends you about 5 posts reminding you he’s tapped out. This is one of the stangest things I’ve ever seen. Seems to be an AP thing to do...”tapping out”, and then being proud of it.

  13. #773

  14. #774
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    What does Crimm AP?
    I shouldn’t be answering your question because I don’t really know but I have listened to two of his GWAE podcast. I think he does some type of slot hustling up in Montana. It’s a niche AP thing to do so he doesn’t have much competition. It gives him a lot of time on these forums.

  15. #775
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    A few questions I'll respond to.

    First, my constant participation in this forum recently is only a function of my being laid up with a broken foot awaiting surgery next month. Busy people just can't keep up daily. That's what makes kew the 9th wonder of the world.

    --jbjb asks if I'm saying I "discovered" this play. Well, I discovered it for me, and that's all I'll claim. That was in Feb. 2004. There very well may have been other(s) who found it earlier or later, although highly unlikely because most people don't know how to keep their mouths shut. And I will say, do you people actually think I would have expected the hate & envy-filled anti-Singer bunch around here to just accept this without trying to twist and turn and create new "facts" in order that they may cope easier? Had I explained what I did to each of you on the phone like I did with axel and mickey instead of the continuous chorus of trying to find alternate rationales, I guarantee there wouldn't be a single anti-Singer remark made. Of course there's no "proof" attached to this--too much time has passed. But how many times have we seen kew claim he doesn't believe ANYBODY has to prove anything? The reason that claim has no credibility is because he's selectively biased. AP's tell the truth/everyone else lies.

    --mickey, the tax return thing would have had critics crying foul. They'd have said I somehow manipulated those, and all for what? To have my and my wife's personal finances out? redietz immediately would have shouted "Alan is a shill and a stooge for Rob!" and the rest of you would call me some sort of liar. It was not worth it.

    --kew (who else) is hoping and praying to get something....anything....that'll convince his faulty mind that I'm lying. I don't know who he emailed or how credible any information from that source is. The article from Wired has the incorrect steps (and this is from memory). What it did was, on the one hand explain that a winning hand was played for, but it then listed the steps to take in order to use an existing winning hand. Here's the correct steps, and I'll include my administrative comments as well:

    1. Sit down with a $5000 bankroll. Get double up enabled on a (we'll use my favorite) $1/$2/$5/$10/$25 multi-game machine. The larger the ratio between the lowest denomination and the highest, the better. (The BEST was the 25c thru $10 uprights at Casino Monte Lago. The two 25c thru $25 bartops at the Rio had a better spread and they had TBP+, but the machines were too old and the glitch wasn't on them). Double up was easy to ask for and receive back then. I've found it tougher since 2009, but I don't frequent casinos any longer.

    2. Select the game that has the most high-end possible winners. SDBP was always my choice if they had it, then TDBP, TBP+, but much of the time it was DDBP. Remember to make sure the pay table for the game you're gonna play is the same for the lowest and highest denominations. That's more the exception than the case these days, so be sure. Back then equal pay tables were more common. Bad pay tables do NOT matter.

    3. Play at the lowest denom until you hit what will be a signer at the highest denom. Although this play works for any winner and will rack up credits if it's not high enuf for a W2G (except for one odd machine I've found 3-1/2 years ago) I only used taxables because of my One-and-Done policy. Others may assume the risk of hitting multiple smaller winners would be worth it.

    4. Once any winner is hit you have that annoying Double up? question come on. You just say no every time except this time. Here, you do not answer, and you instead insert a bill (or ticket) which eliminates the DU question but your winning quad or whatever remains on the screen, unpaid.

    5. You then select More Games, up the denomination, select the game you hit the winner on, and hit the cashout button. Your four Aces with a kicker for $2000 is now $50,000 and the jackpot! stuff goes off.. Or, your quad 6's for $250 is now $6250. Either way, you used a fraction of your $5k bankroll to accomplish this.

    Like I've said, anyone who uses an existing winner they did not hit or uses a winner to collect on more than once, in my mind is doing something very wrong. But I understand the majority of people would probably choose to do it this way. It's what got Kane caught though. Also, this is 10 years on. If you locate one of these machines and get caught for whatever reason, the casino people may not be familiar with the past, and you may have to go thru being cuffed and jailed until everything gets sorted out.

    My approach to everything about this was being super careful....almost to the point of being neurotic. While you know better, you're always thinking someone may be watching you from somewhere, and that outcome may not be so pleasant. To be sure, there was a certain thrill involved with this, and the first time I came across this play was an amazing feeling.
    BUMP. The above is in depth knowledge of how the play worked. He even named the casinos with the best denom spreads. He even told you all that what was published in Wired about the sequence to get to the jackpot was false. KJ, bound and determined to debunk Rob, contacted the author of the article knowing full well the author would confirm the correct sequence was published. But lo and behold, the author told KJ they intentionally published the wrong sequence. Curses! Foiled again, eh, KJ? Your plan to blow Rob out of the water failed.

    Now, KJ, did you think to ask the author if he spread the true sequence around to anyone privately? Or did you ask him that and he said no so you kept it under your hat because it doesn't fit your narrative? If the author did spread it around privately did you think to ask him to ask those he spread it around to if they had ever been in contact with Rob?

    Sooner or later you are going to have to give Rob some street cred. Do you really think he is dumb enough to take information he got from someone else then concoct this story knowing full well there was person or persons out there that could debunk him in a heartbeat. This story, though not talked about openly in other forums, is getting around. Myself and someone else made sure the story got onto vpFREE even though the administor turned down my post on it. Do you think Rob is sitting on pins and needles waiting to see if this person or persons, who would have to be someone in the gambling world, is going to come out of the woodwork and debunk him?

    And another key piece of evidence is Rob announced his retirement from professional video poker in 2009, the same year Kane and Nestor got busted and the play ended. I remember that well. So does Alan. So does Arci. Do you think his retiring that year was just a coincidence. It would have to be one of the biggest coincidences of all time.

    You keep on with this "he never played it after the fact when there was probably still machines out there." Well no shit, Sherlock. Would you go walking into casinos asking them to enable the double up after Kane and Nestor got busted? After a world wide memo got sent out telling them to turn it off and keep it off? After making an easy 3 million over five years? If it was me I would just say screw it and retire. And that's just what Rob did.

    Now, more for your Inspector Clouseau work. Put out a reward for this person or persons that Rob got the information from to come forward. An all points bulletin. Let the word go forth. Put it up on all the forums. Track this person or persons down instead of coming up with all that bizarre speculation.

    Don't worry. If I wind up with shit on my nose I'll take the lumps. But I don't think that is going to happen.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #776
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    What does Crimm AP?
    Mickey is a whiz at a wide spectrum of machine plays, and has an intimate knowledge of dozens of casinos scattered all over the country. He has extraordinary experience and day-to-day practical savvy. The only possible gambling fault I could even consider might be a tendency to veer out of his lanes, so to speak, but I've been criticized for being too staid in what I do, so who knows? My attitude is that I don't assume going in that anything is beatable except what I've already beaten. Mickey, like most professional gamblers, has a different, more speculative approach. I do very little speculating.

    Okay, I just read mickey's post above, so I'll add this. I don't buy into the logic. I know things about Las Vegas that are known by only a very few people. My providing details about those things would make it seem as if I had to be a part of what I'm discussing. But I was not. I was simply positioned to get those details due to my experience and personal connections. That kind of intimacy with people in the know can be used to create a very credible, seamless storyline. "Singer," as I have said many times, was about as intimate with Las Vegas as I was, partly due to his relationship with DiRocco.

    Personally, I hope Argentino did as he said. There are a couple of details that don't jive, but they don't make a lock case against it. I'm sure mickey has considered them.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-18-2019 at 05:52 PM.

  17. #777
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Rob never, and I mean NEVER partook in ANY of these glitches, plays etc. Again, anyone, and that includes AP's, that are falling for this, are completely stupid!! Wise the fuck up!!!!
    FUCK YOU, BITCH. NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY, REPEAT, NOBODY MAKES UP MY MIND FOR ME. NOBODY BROW BEATS ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. NOBODY CAJOLES ME INTO BELIEVING ANYTHING. YOU'RE A SNIVELING LITTLE BITCH JUST LIKE KJ. YOU TWO CAN'T STAND IT THAT ROB PUT THIS PLAY DOWN. JEALOUS BAGS OF SHIT.
    Your fuse was lit
    Goddam right. These bitches think they can discredit, brow beat, and belittle me into changing my objective opinion on whether Rob is telling the truth. I won't change my considered opinion until these idiots can put up some hard evidence that Rob is lying.

    So far I'm the only one with an objective opinion on it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for years but I sat all that aside to weigh the evidence and come to an unbiased opinion on the issue....even though myself and the person making the claim were internet enemies. You have to have the ability to be magnanimous in order to form an unbiased opinion in such a situation. It's glaringly apparent that KJ, JBJB and RS' are without magnanimity and their opinions on the issue are totally biased.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #778
    As far as I know, the only person I expected would have a bunch of knowledge about this play was axel, which is why he was the first person I released this to. And I was right--he did know a lot about the glitch but I knew a little bit more. Because I am an expert at the play. Because I PLAYED it for over 5 years.

    I'm perplexed at why someone would criticize me for going to a pair of highly respected AP's to tell them what went down, when if I had said I'm going to a few of the less regarded AP's, the envious critics/haters would have immediately jumped all over me for picking them for the purpose of manipulating them. So I chose the two who everybody knows could have seen right through me within 5 minutes or less if I were making any part of this up, and their general consensus is that all roads lead to me telling the truth--although there seems to be no way to 100% prove it as I've called over a dozen casinos to see if they have records that old. And no, I never thought this far ahead back then to retain tax records etc. for periods far exceeding IRS regulations. I was busy having a blast taking money from casinos that was basically guaranteed, and I broke it up with family life and throwing around some of the best personal insults ever registered on online gambling forums.

    Who are these Wired writers, and maybe I should give them their interview of a lifetime.

  19. #779
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Now, more for your Inspector Clouseau work. Put out a reward for this person or persons that Rob got the information from to come forward. An all points bulletin. Let the word go forth. Put it up on all the forums. Track this person or persons down instead of coming up with all that bizarre speculation.
    Mickey, I know this wasn’t addressed to me but I thought I’d give it a crack. Did you read the wire.com article? I mean half the state of Pennsylvania knew about his play. Whenever Nester went to the casino he brought everybody and their uncles with him. It’s not like this was some top secret play that only a couple people knew about. Kane was doing the same thing back in Vegas.

    There is no reason to believe there is someone who gave this info to Rob in some confidential conversation. There are many ways Rob could have got it without nobody knowing they gave it to him. Again, it’s not like this was top secret information once the play was exposed.

    This does not prove anything either way. But it’s not hard to see how Rob could have come into this information once this play was exposed in wire.com.

  20. #780
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    What does Crimm AP?
    This was my first machine play back in 1996, Mr. Piggy Banker. I've worked hundreds of different plays since.
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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