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Thread: Advantage play / cheating / crime....where is the line?

  1. #261
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Rob Singer wrote:

    The first thing people like you would need to know is that finding this and executing this play in an actual casino setting, where you have no idea what might happen to you at any time, completely alters your world in a way only YOU can understand. It is not anything like a years-later discussion amongst people who had no skin in the game back then.


    At least there is no mistaking on your part Rob that you were aware you were engaged in criminal activity. Of course, if you actually did partake in the endeavor itself.


    There is never an "eye-in-the-sky review" of a vp taxable win unless there is a valid reason for it,


    That is a strong assumption on your part that there is never an exception to the rules.
    What I can say for sure Bosox, is that at the Atlantis (Reno, not the Bahamas), about 1 1/2 years ago, I sat down to spin off some free play within eye-shot of a guy who was waiting to get paid off on a $48K VP Jackpot (extremely likely non-vultured - it was a civilian from what I could tell). The brass went through that thing with a fine-toothed comb - head tech and all of the shit. The dude looked like a wealthy civilian and it was on a UX, so it was too new to be a Nestor/Kane play (I don't think it was vultured). As far as I'm concerned large jackpots can get sweated - I'm not saying they do all the time, but you're taking a risk when you pull this w2g shit on a move like the Nestor/Kane one.

    Anyway, in today's casino environment, your denomination range is going to be way more limited (as Ron pointed out when describing the Nestor/Kane move) than yesteryear, since 5c and 10c might have the same pay table, and then 25c,50c and $1 might be the same (but not the same as the 5c/10c). Plus, you're almost always going to have to interact to request the double-up, unlike years past (as Ron pointed out as well during the play description).

    Sometimes when casinos that have closed down want to maintain their license, they bring out old shit for people to play for a couple of days . . .

    edit:didn't see JBJB's post confirming that EITS gets involved when I made my post (thanks JBJB)
    Last edited by tableplay; 05-18-2019 at 11:17 AM. Reason: redundancy

  2. #262
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    There is never an "eye-in-the-sky review" of a vp taxable win unless there is a valid reason for it,


    That is a strong assumption on your part that there is never an exception to the rules.
    Yeah. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the EITS verifies every hand pay jackpot.
    Verifies what exactly? That the machine was not tampered with or that the person representing himself as the winner in fact pressed the button?

  3. #263
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    There is never an "eye-in-the-sky review" of a vp taxable win unless there is a valid reason for it,


    That is a strong assumption on your part that there is never an exception to the rules.
    Yeah. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the EITS verifies every hand pay jackpot.
    Think about that. You said it because of your bias. If that were the case, every single jackpot hand Kane and Nestor got at every casino were reviewed upstairs. What'd Security do--say "Well....it's not Singer, so we'll just let it go" until the dumb Silverton employee upstairs made a mistake and decided to look at his jackpots?

    Yep--you're as sure about this as you are about how free play works. 100%.

  4. #264
    I had a surveillance guy that I only knew from a forum that I communicated with privately for a while. (it has been a few years now). This was not a personal friend like my pit friend, so grain of salt type thing. But I found him credible in some things he shared with me and incorporated that into how I play with the goal of longevity. This is the source of that, "top priority or near the top is Employee theft".

    So another thing he told me that I think pertains to this situation: We were talking about card counting of course, because that is what I do. I asked where on the priority list card counters were? His answer...it depends. On a Tuesday morning at 10 am, maybe top or near the top. On a Saturday Evening at 10 pm, probably not even on the list, unless it was someone playing Purple/Orange or above. My point: Robs statement that they are never doing this or that.....That's not credible.

    I would think....and this is only me, that for a hand pay jackpot, unless it is that busy Friday/Saturday night where their are bigger fish to fry, Surveillance is going to take a look of at least a few second leading up to this jackpot. And they have plenty of time to do so as most handpays take 10-15 minutes. So why wouldn't they? It doesn't make sense to me that they wouldn't?

    Rob is pretty adamant about the fact that they wouldn't because this is one of many pieces that he needs to fall in place for his story to be credible....that he did this for 6 years. One of many pieces he needs.

    I am still skeptical of Rob's story and Claim. That has nothing to do with Mickey or Axel. They finding Rob credible based on knowledge or info that he has is not in question. That is a very narrow scope. The question for me is when did Rob obtain or have that information. His claim is he figured it out in 2003 and played the play for 6 years to the tune of 3 million dollars. There are other ways that he could have obtained this information after the fact, including finding a machine that this play was still possible After the fact (probably at some remote or indian casino) and executing the play successfully, winning some money. It is just fact that him having this info now does not mean he had it in 2003 or that he played this play for 6 years making 3 million dollars. And that is not about whether I like or dislike Rob.

    The fact is that everything that Rob claims and says has been proven to be lies. All his claims, even stupid small stuff that has no significance to anything. So while I am not a person who requires anyone to provide proof of anything, and the people that usually do demand proof have strangely gone missing on this one, for me to believe, I would need to see some proof. I am not asking for it, nor interested in making any wager, but that's what it would take for me, based on Rob's long history of everything being BS. AND he is STILL doubling down on his other mathematically impossible claims.

    I mean think about where we really are. Everything Rob claims have been completely impossible, mathematically impossible. So on this one the math could work. It's not mathematically impossible. That is the only very low hurdle that we have gotten by.

  5. #265
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    There is never an "eye-in-the-sky review" of a vp taxable win unless there is a valid reason for it,


    That is a strong assumption on your part that there is never an exception to the rules.
    Yeah. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the EITS verifies every hand pay jackpot.
    Think about that. You said it because of your bias. If that were the case, every single jackpot hand Kane and Nestor got at every casino were reviewed upstairs. What'd Security do--say "Well....it's not Singer, so we'll just let it go" until the dumb Silverton employee upstairs made a mistake and decided to look at his jackpots?
    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.

  6. #266
    Kew, now it's your credibility that's coming into question... again.

    Put your thinking cap on while I explain this.

    1. You're playing ddbp for dollars. You hit the Deal button. Out comes 3 Aces.
    2. You hit the Draw button. There's the 4th Ace with a 2. It's a 2000 credit win. The DU? appears.
    3. You insert a bill, wiping off the question. You choose More Games.
    4. You select $25, the select ddbp.
    5. You hit Cash Out. Lights, sounds, and the screen goes off.

    So upstairs, according to my critics who don't want anything to be actual, the "eyes" notice nothing funny, odd, or uncommon about how the player went about hitting that jackpot.

    In Kane's and Nestor's case--and especially at the very paranoid Wynn--they either never bother looking, or they just looked the other way?

    No, the eyes do not look at handpay jackpots unless they have a pro-active reason to. That should be obvious to someone like you. In Kane and Nestor's case, they certainly had a reason to if that were the case, and still no one looked.

    I've had many machines opened and menus surfed etc. after a number of my jackpots. That's simply checking the card sequence and if all was working properly with no outside influence. Due diligence. Then there's your "in the database" claim. When I visited a casino once a month? Really? They didn't even get Kane or Nestor into this secret "database" of suspicious players. Fremont even took out the LOW LEVEL machine they hammered for $75,000 instead of placing them on some list.

    Calling what I'm saying happened as not credible because of known facts is one thing. But making these helter-skelter assertions about me that didn't apply to the two guys who got caught, is just empty hoping.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-18-2019 at 12:30 PM.

  7. #267
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Yeah. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the EITS verifies every hand pay jackpot.
    Think about that. You said it because of your bias. If that were the case, every single jackpot hand Kane and Nestor got at every casino were reviewed upstairs. What'd Security do--say "Well....it's not Singer, so we'll just let it go" until the dumb Silverton employee upstairs made a mistake and decided to look at his jackpots?
    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them. When they had him arrested they STILL had no idea what he was doing. That's why the 25 yr. old from Stanford was brought in by IGT.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 05-18-2019 at 12:52 PM.

  8. #268
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Think about that. You said it because of your bias. If that were the case, every single jackpot hand Kane and Nestor got at every casino were reviewed upstairs. What'd Security do--say "Well....it's not Singer, so we'll just let it go" until the dumb Silverton employee upstairs made a mistake and decided to look at his jackpots?
    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron. People need to go back and read the wire.com article again. The reason Kane and Nestor got caught is because they would sit in a casino and win multiple jackpots. At one point, Kane won seven (yes, seven) in an hour and a half. And these weren’t small jackpots. They were in the $10,000 range.

    The bigger shock is why did the casinos let them win so many jackpots before they stopped it. You’d think by number four, they would have started getting suspicious something wasn’t right.

    And the even bigger shocker for me is that these two clowns (really just one clown, Kane) came up with this play. If they found it, I’m surprised more people didn’t find it. This is why I think Kane owning one of these machines and having it in his house helped him understand how it worked and led to him finding this play. I’m just speculating here, but I don’t believe it happened like Nestor said in the article. Yeah, right, two bozos just sat in a casino for a couple days pressing diffeeent buttons and happened to come upon it. It’s hard for me to believe it happened that way.

    It’s also hard for me to believe Kane was so sutupid to just sit in a casino and win jackpot after jackpot and not think eventually the casinos would know something was fishy. He couldn’t have been that stupid. I think this is Nestor’s version so he could have exaggerated. If the casinos said this is what happened, I would have asked them why they waited so long to do something about it.

    Ron, I now believe you found this play too, but I question your timeline. It seems like you found this play the year it was available. But anybody reading this article would also know it was out there six years before Kane and Nestor got caught so this was public information. The six years appears too perfect, meaning learning of the play the year it was available.

    My other question is why didn’t more people find it? There are a lot of Video Poker players out there. It doesn’t appear too hard to find. Why did it exist for so long without it being exploited by multiple people? Who knows, maybe it was and these people are keeping silent.

    Interesting story no matter how you look at it.

  9. #269
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron.
    Ok, what is the Joke that you keep referring to Singer as Ron? I mean he is the leading poster on this forum. Most discussions are about him, so you surely have seen his name a zillion times and as far as we all know his chosen Alias as well as his real first name are Rob (Robert). So what with Ron? And I hope this is good for you to have gone to all this trouble to set it up?

  10. #270
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron. People need to go back and read the wire.com article again. The reason Kane and Nestor got caught is because they would sit in a casino and win multiple jackpots. At one point, Kane won seven (yes, seven) in an hour and a half. And these weren’t small jackpots. They were in the $10,000 range.

    The bigger shock is why did the casinos let them win so many jackpots before they stopped it. You’d think by number four, they would have started getting suspicious something wasn’t right.

    And the even bigger shocker for me is that these two clowns (really just one clown, Kane) came up with this play. If they found it, I’m surprised more people didn’t find it. This is why I think Kane owning one of these machines and having it in his house helped him understand how it worked and led to him finding this play. I’m just speculating here, but I don’t believe it happened like Nestor said in the article. Yeah, right, two bozos just sat in a casino for a couple days pressing diffeeent buttons and happened to come upon it. It’s hard for me to believe it happened that way.

    It’s also hard for me to believe Kane was so sutupid to just sit in a casino and win jackpot after jackpot and not think eventually the casinos would know something was fishy. He couldn’t have been that stupid. I think this is Nestor’s version so he could have exaggerated. If the casinos said this is what happened, I would have asked them why they waited so long to do something about it.

    Ron, I now believe you found this play too, but I question your timeline. It seems like you found this play the year it was available. But anybody reading this article would also know it was out there six years before Kane and Nestor got caught so this was public information. The six years appears too perfect, meaning learning of the play the year it was available.

    My other question is why didn’t more people find it? There are a lot of Video Poker players out there. It doesn’t appear too hard to find. Why did it exist for so long without it being exploited by multiple people? Who knows, maybe it was and these people are keeping silent.

    Interesting story no matter how you look at it.
    1. Nobody knows how many people found it.
    2. I'm not the most seasoned VP player but I've never seen the double up feature on a machine and in fact have never head of it apart from discussions of this glitch.

  11. #271
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I think this is wrong Rob. I think Surveillance looks at handpay jackpots. Why wouldn't they? And if a player seems to hit a frequent amount of jackpots they will be known. That's why that fuck Stephan Paddock was KNOWN. I am equally sure both Kane and Nestor where known before the hammer came down. I am sure some of those hand pays were looked at. It just took a while. I am equally sure that if your story was true, you were known.

    I mean sooner or later they are going to catch on. Kane and Nestor was in the sooner category, because they were stupid and greedy, but sooner or later...

    And all it takes is one surveillance person. One guy on a lazy weekday morning or afternoon, to have just a little suspicion. And even if he doesn't actually discover the play, but has suspicion, you might end up in a database and then more and more surveillance will be looking at you even more frequently. It is just rather hard to believe that somewhere along the line for 6 years, even being careful to play short sessions and move around a lot and not over play casinos, that someone wouldn't have caught on to this.
    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron. People need to go back and read the wire.com article again. The reason Kane and Nestor got caught is because they would sit in a casino and win multiple jackpots. At one point, Kane won seven (yes, seven) in an hour and a half. And these weren’t small jackpots. They were in the $10,000 range.

    The bigger shock is why did the casinos let them win so many jackpots before they stopped it. You’d think by number four, they would have started getting suspicious something wasn’t right.

    And the even bigger shocker for me is that these two clowns (really just one clown, Kane) came up with this play. If they found it, I’m surprised more people didn’t find it. This is why I think Kane owning one of these machines and having it in his house helped him understand how it worked and led to him finding this play. I’m just speculating here, but I don’t believe it happened like Nestor said in the article. Yeah, right, two bozos just sat in a casino for a couple days pressing diffeeent buttons and happened to come upon it. It’s hard for me to believe it happened that way.

    It’s also hard for me to believe Kane was so sutupid to just sit in a casino and win jackpot after jackpot and not think eventually the casinos would know something was fishy. He couldn’t have been that stupid. I think this is Nestor’s version so he could have exaggerated. If the casinos said this is what happened, I would have asked them why they waited so long to do something about it.

    Ron, I now believe you found this play too, but I question your timeline. It seems like you found this play the year it was available. But anybody reading this article would also know it was out there six years before Kane and Nestor got caught so this was public information. The six years appears too perfect, meaning learning of the play the year it was available.

    My other question is why didn’t more people find it? There are a lot of Video Poker players out there. It doesn’t appear too hard to find. Why did it exist for so long without it being exploited by multiple people? Who knows, maybe it was and these people are keeping silent.

    Interesting story no matter how you look at it.
    Two answers.

    First, I found it in Feb. 2004. The generation of machines that first had this came out in 2002. Casinos loved these machines and most are still in operation today.

    And, now that you know the button and bill-feeding sequence, I'm sure it sounds relatively easy to anyone really. But it truly is an odd method, and unless you were looking for SOMETHING and paused after every step of your play like I was and did, you're not gonna find it. (In Kane's case, maybe he stumbled upon it at the Fremont when he was drunk, or maybe he discovered it at home. Who knows?)
    I went into my research phase asking the only question anyone could ever ask themselves that would lead to this discovery, and I mentioned this KEY earlier: When is a VP hand not really over when it's over?
    A lot of staring and a lot of thinking, and it STILL took me 4 years to figure out, even though the flaw was only available the last year and a half or so.

  12. #272
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron. People need to go back and read the wire.com article again. The reason Kane and Nestor got caught is because they would sit in a casino and win multiple jackpots. At one point, Kane won seven (yes, seven) in an hour and a half. And these weren’t small jackpots. They were in the $10,000 range.

    The bigger shock is why did the casinos let them win so many jackpots before they stopped it. You’d think by number four, they would have started getting suspicious something wasn’t right.

    And the even bigger shocker for me is that these two clowns (really just one clown, Kane) came up with this play. If they found it, I’m surprised more people didn’t find it. This is why I think Kane owning one of these machines and having it in his house helped him understand how it worked and led to him finding this play. I’m just speculating here, but I don’t believe it happened like Nestor said in the article. Yeah, right, two bozos just sat in a casino for a couple days pressing diffeeent buttons and happened to come upon it. It’s hard for me to believe it happened that way.

    It’s also hard for me to believe Kane was so sutupid to just sit in a casino and win jackpot after jackpot and not think eventually the casinos would know something was fishy. He couldn’t have been that stupid. I think this is Nestor’s version so he could have exaggerated. If the casinos said this is what happened, I would have asked them why they waited so long to do something about it.

    Ron, I now believe you found this play too, but I question your timeline. It seems like you found this play the year it was available. But anybody reading this article would also know it was out there six years before Kane and Nestor got caught so this was public information. The six years appears too perfect, meaning learning of the play the year it was available.

    My other question is why didn’t more people find it? There are a lot of Video Poker players out there. It doesn’t appear too hard to find. Why did it exist for so long without it being exploited by multiple people? Who knows, maybe it was and these people are keeping silent.

    Interesting story no matter how you look at it.
    Two answers.

    First, I found it in Feb. 2004. The generation of machines that first had this came out in 2002. Casinos loved these machines and most are still in operation today.

    And, now that you know the button and bill-feeding sequence, I'm sure it sounds relatively easy to anyone really. But it truly is an odd method, and unless you were looking for SOMETHING and paused after every step of your play like I was and did, you're not gonna find it. (In Kane's case, maybe he stumbled upon it at the Fremont when he was drunk, or maybe he discovered it at home. Who knows?)
    I went into my research phase asking the only question anyone could ever ask themselves that would lead to this discovery, and I mentioned this KEY earlier: When is a VP hand not really over when it's over?
    A lot of staring and a lot of thinking, and it STILL took me 4 years to figure out, even though the flaw was only available the last year and a half or so.
    Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

    I agree with your approach once you found it. And it’s easy to see why you wouldn’t be on their rador. I mean Kane and Nestor really had to exploit it before the casinos became suspicious.

    One more question: Did you travel and exploit it too? With a play this strong, I’d think you’d want to make an occasional road trip to exploit it in different states.

  13. #273
    YOU PEOPLE ARE BEING TROLLED!! WISE UP!!!

  14. #274
    I just wonder who they're going to get to play Rob in the movie version of this saga.

  15. #275
    I've never seen so many gullible people in my life.

  16. #276
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I've never seen so many gullible people in my life.
    Exactly what I'd be forced to assert if I had no sensible answers to the "EITS" bs you tried to pass off here.

  17. #277
    Clearly, no actor could play Rob. They couldn't capture the magic.

    Sorry I stole that from another reader....but it's the truth.
    Last edited by unowme; 05-18-2019 at 02:11 PM.

  18. #278
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Clearly, no actor could play Rob. They couldn't capture the magic.

    Sorry I stole that from another reader....but it's the truth.
    I've been told James Woods could play me. But for 15 years ago you would need a handsome devil.

  19. #279
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron.
    Ok, what is the Joke that you keep referring to Singer as Ron? I mean he is the leading poster on this forum. Most discussions are about him, so you surely have seen his name a zillion times and as far as we all know his chosen Alias as well as his real first name are Rob (Robert). So what with Ron? And I hope this is good for you to have gone to all this trouble to set it up?
    Kj, it was an honest mistake. That’s it. I post from my phone so I forgot it was Rob instead of Ron. It looked like Ron on my phone. My eye sight isn’t the best. There was nothing behind me saying Ron. My posts are to make a point...not to get the name right. But I will moving forward. You sure try to make a big deal over nothing.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    This is not thought out well. If ANY surveillance person saw anything about how Kane and/or Nestor hit their jackpots, they'd have stopped them right then and there. Even at the Silverton, after Kane's jackpots became suspicious, all the eye in the sky looked at was his winning hands--not how he hit them.
    I agree with you Ron.
    Ok, what is the Joke that you keep referring to Singer as Ron? I mean he is the leading poster on this forum. Most discussions are about him, so you surely have seen his name a zillion times and as far as we all know his chosen Alias as well as his real first name are Rob (Robert). So what with Ron? And I hope this is good for you to have gone to all this trouble to set it up?
    Kj, it was an honest mistake. That’s it. I post from my phone so I forgot it was Rob instead of Ron. It looked like Ron on my phone. My eye sight isn’t the best. There was nothing behind me saying Ron. My posts are to make a point...not to get the name right. But I will moving forward. You sure try to make a big deal over nothing.
    It am not trying to make a big deal of nothing Bob21. It absolutely is no big deal and I accept your answer. The only reason I brought it up is because you have referred to him as Ron so many times, I though maybe I was missing something or not "getting" the joke?

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