Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

Because it is wrong. Plain and simple. Manipulating a machine to give you a higher payout than what you were playing and won is wrong. Accepting that money is stealing. Now I am not going to win an argument with people that think stealing isn't wrong. So I am going to stop trying.
Theft is a crime, they must not have thought that it falls under theft because the casino gave them the money of their own volition and not under duress.

You know, a contractor can accept money and enter into a contract, but then never show up to do the work and the lawsuit would generally take place in civil court as long as the contractor's bona fides were otherwise in order. Is it wrong that the guy didn't start working on the day he said he would? Maybe, but that doesn't necessarily make it criminal. Something can also be illegal without being criminal, which is why we have civil suits.

But I am seriously surprised at you Mission. Maybe I am reading it wrong but I get the feeling most of these guys aren't saying it isn't wrong. They are saying they just don't care. There is an AP mentality that anything goes against the casinos. That is a different argument I don't agree with that. Wrong is wrong. Theft is theft and taking something under false pretenses like this is theft. But Mission, unless you are just yanking my chain, it honestly seems like you don't understand between right and wrong? You have kids don't ya? What an example you must set.
I'm saying I don't care. The potential to make a couple million overrides my self-view (or whatever the hell you want to call it) or the morality principles when I do my internal cost/benefit analysis. The potential to go to prison would swing it back the other way as would the possibility of hurting an individual person in the process. Like I said, I wouldn't be hitting any small time operators with this play.

What's my example for the kids? If you can make two million dollars and its not illegal and doesn't hurt any individual people, then make two million dollars. Shit, I'd donate a good part of it and do more good with it than the casinos planned to. I'd be dropping hundred dollar tips at casual restaurants that are $12-$15 for an entree.

So just out of curiosity Mission, since you seem to have no line between right and wrong, or if you do it is god knows where, let me try to figure out where it might be? Older guy drops his TITO ticket? Do you distract him, pick it up and keep it? Anything goes right? Is it ok, to follow a patron into the mens room, club him and steal his money as you and several others seem to think it ok to steal from the casinos? Exactly where is your line on right and wrong? Or are there absolutely no lines once you walk through the casino doors. It is get every cent at any cost.
Are we going question by questions? Will there be more?

Older Guy: I pick it up, but only to hand it to him.

Patron in the Men's Room: Clubbing him could cause him serious physical pain, better to use chloroform. JK

It also doesn't have anything to do with being in a casino or being somewhere else.