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  1. #781
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    LOL. I've been "real" for 40 years. My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me. If I get around to it, I'll post my bio here from the 1984 "Who's Who in Sports Gambling." It was a one-shot deal from Hall Publishing, put together by Rick Hall who at the time had his fill of Mike Warren and "Danny Sheridan" and so on, so he vetted a group of handicappers who had been publicly monitored for years to be in the book.

    And Rob, I hate to bring this up (not really), because I hope you did what you're claiming to have done, but there is no statute of limitations on Native American land for what you did, so good luck with that. You'll be fine as long as you don't run out of gasoline bordering tribal territory. Just don't send mickey or Axel scouting the plays in Indian casinos, please. We all want them safe and sound. Unless that's your way of getting vengeance on APs or something. You know, like Victor/Victoria -- an anti-AP pretending to be an AP to be an anti-AP.

    I cannot believe nobody mentioned the lack of a statute of limitations in Indian casinos. C'mon, people! I'm not even a machine AP. Think, already.

  2. #782
    Mickey, you have completely ignored the fact that I said "perhaps" Rob was able to discovered some machines after the play became public and learn the ins and out that way. I have actually said this half dozen times. And the real important part of that is the "perhaps". Because that implies what I have said from day one. There are numerous ways Rob could have learned this information that so impressed you.

    But what I find really disturbing and sad is that Mickey seems to want to pick a fight and go to "war" with numerous people and seems to want to take the page out of Rob's troll play book with the name calling and attacks.

    Be better than this Mickey. So people that have dealt with Rob for decades and his lies and falsehoods, choose not to believe him. That is our right. This is what credibility is and Rob has spent decades building his lack there of.

    Nobody is telling you what to believe....believe what you like. But stop the Rob-like nasty attacks because we don't believe what you choose to.

  3. #783
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    You are all trying to troll me into changing my opinion on whether Rob put the game king play down or not. I list all the credible evidence in Rob's favor and you guys come right back with "but Rob's been trolling us for years. He said this. He said that." You guys do it over and over again. If you hate Rob fine. But try to separate out the issues.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 06-18-2019 at 06:40 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #784
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Lol Rob’s trolling the shit out of Mickey and he’s just eating it up.
    You are correct.
    You are incorrect.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #785
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    LOL. I've been "real" for 40 years. My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me. If I get around to it, I'll post my bio here from the 1984 "Who's Who in Sports Gambling." It was a one-shot deal from Hall Publishing, put together by Rick Hall who at the time had his fill of Mike Warren and "Danny Sheridan" and so on, so he vetted a group of handicappers who had been publicly monitored for years to be in the book.

    And Rob, I hate to bring this up (not really), because I hope you did what you're claiming to have done, but there is no statute of limitations on Native American land for what you did, so good luck with that. You'll be fine as long as you don't run out of gasoline bordering tribal territory. Just don't send mickey or Axel scouting the plays in Indian casinos, please. We all want them safe and sound. Unless that's your way of getting vengeance on APs or something. You know, like Victor/Victoria -- an anti-AP pretending to be an AP to be an anti-AP.

    I cannot believe nobody mentioned the lack of a statute of limitations in Indian casinos. C'mon, people! I'm not even a machine AP. Think, already.
    Are you not intelligent or what? I've said multiple times that I did not operate this play outside the State of Nevada, and I did not play at Indian casinos. In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out. I returned to their high limit rooms a month later in each case, and those machines did not work.

    So your hope that the Indians somehow scalp me is meaningless.

  6. #786
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Three separate issues:

    1. Rob and game king bug.
    2. Rob’s internet trolling.
    3. Rob’s vp system.

    I make comment on number 1 and you go off on 2 and/or 3. I’ve kept my mouth shut about it so far but fuck it. Rob and I trolled each other unmercifully for 13 years. We attacked each other’s family’s and everything. Said some real dirty stuff to each other. But you know what? It was just all internet trolling bullshit. That’s the way you need to take it. No one could ever get the best of Rob in a troll war. I think that is your problem. You can’t beat him. But you’re still trying tho. Lol! I don’t sweat the small stuff. That’s all our trolling each other was, goofball small stuff. Lighten up KJ.
    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    You are all trying to troll me into changing my opinion on whether Rob put the game king play down or not. I list all the credible evidence in Rob's favor and you guys come right back with "but Rob's been trolling us for years. He said this. He said that." You guys do it over and over again. If you hate Rob fine. But try and separate out the issues.
    I HAVE separated the issue. And because I have, I have had some respectable dialogue and discussion with Rob. The most respectable discussions I have had with him in my time here. And I appreciate that.

    But I still have the right to believe what I choose about a guy who has lied about nearly everything he says big and small for years.

    The only bullying and brow beating I see taking place is from mickeycrimm, now attacking everyone who doesn't believe what he chooses to.

  7. #787
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    LOL. I've been "real" for 40 years. My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me. If I get around to it, I'll post my bio here from the 1984 "Who's Who in Sports Gambling." It was a one-shot deal from Hall Publishing, put together by Rick Hall who at the time had his fill of Mike Warren and "Danny Sheridan" and so on, so he vetted a group of handicappers who had been publicly monitored for years to be in the book.

    And Rob, I hate to bring this up (not really), because I hope you did what you're claiming to have done, but there is no statute of limitations on Native American land for what you did, so good luck with that. You'll be fine as long as you don't run out of gasoline bordering tribal territory. Just don't send mickey or Axel scouting the plays in Indian casinos, please. We all want them safe and sound. Unless that's your way of getting vengeance on APs or something. You know, like Victor/Victoria -- an anti-AP pretending to be an AP to be an anti-AP.

    I cannot believe nobody mentioned the lack of a statute of limitations in Indian casinos. C'mon, people! I'm not even a machine AP. Think, already.
    Not surprising you never read where I didn't operate the play in Indian casinos.

    Weird. Just plain weird.

  8. #788
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me.
    Why is it necessary to PM you?

    You were going to wait for what again?

    Didn't you already post a link to your blog a few days ago?

  9. #789
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mickey, you have completely ignored the fact that I said "perhaps" Rob was able to discovered some machines after the play became public and learn the ins and out that way. I have actually said this half dozen times. And the real important part of that is the "perhaps". Because that implies what I have said from day one. There are numerous ways Rob could have learned this information that so impressed you.

    But what I find really disturbing and sad is that Mickey seems to want to pick a fight and go to "war" with numerous people and seems to want to take the page out of Rob's troll play book with the name calling and attacks.

    Be better than this Mickey. So people that have dealt with Rob for decades and his lies and falsehoods, choose not to believe him. That is our right. This is what credibility is and Rob has spent decades building his lack there of.

    Nobody is telling you what to believe....believe what you like. But stop the Rob-like nasty attacks because we don't believe what you choose to.
    You started the nasty attacks when you tried to discredit my objectivity with an earlier post. My objective opinion is you are totally incapable of an unbiased opinion on the issue of whether Rob put the play down or not. You are so obsessively biased that you are ridiculing me over my opinions on the issue. Everything you wrote in your post here is projecting off yourself. Look in the mirror, dude.

    Now, if you are so sure that Rob didn't put the play down then why did you call the FBI?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #790
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    LOL. I've been "real" for 40 years. My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me. If I get around to it, I'll post my bio here from the 1984 "Who's Who in Sports Gambling." It was a one-shot deal from Hall Publishing, put together by Rick Hall who at the time had his fill of Mike Warren and "Danny Sheridan" and so on, so he vetted a group of handicappers who had been publicly monitored for years to be in the book.

    And Rob, I hate to bring this up (not really), because I hope you did what you're claiming to have done, but there is no statute of limitations on Native American land for what you did, so good luck with that. You'll be fine as long as you don't run out of gasoline bordering tribal territory. Just don't send mickey or Axel scouting the plays in Indian casinos, please. We all want them safe and sound. Unless that's your way of getting vengeance on APs or something. You know, like Victor/Victoria -- an anti-AP pretending to be an AP to be an anti-AP.

    I cannot believe nobody mentioned the lack of a statute of limitations in Indian casinos. C'mon, people! I'm not even a machine AP. Think, already.
    Are you not intelligent or what? I've said multiple times that I did not operate this play outside the State of Nevada, and I did not play at Indian casinos. In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out. I returned to their high limit rooms a month later in each case, and those machines did not work.

    So your hope that the Indians somehow scalp me is meaningless.
    Interesting story. Thanks for fleshing out the details.

  11. #791
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out.
    Thank you for this statement Rob. This is Exactly one of the possibilities that I have raised. After the fact, that you located a machine or machines that had the capability and were then able to learn the ins and out and acquire the information that is so impressing mickeycrimm. Just one of numerous possibilities.

    It is just a fact that Rob having this information NOW, does not prove Rob knew and/or played this play for years to the tune of 3 million dollars and he has offered nothing that does prove that. So why is mickey getting so bent out of shape about people deciding for themselves at to Rob's credibility.

  12. #792
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me.
    Why is it necessary to PM you?

    You were going to wait for what again?

    Didn't you already post a link to your blog a few days ago?
    I was going to wait until 20 entries were in the can. Old (magazine/newspaper) bullpen talk. Old film school slang.

    Glad you're following the blog. Warms my heart. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't exactly announce the blog with a bullhorn. Thanks for helping me out.

  13. #793
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Now, if you are so sure that Rob didn't put the play down then why did you call the FBI?
    You are barking up the wrong tree Mickey. I didn't call the FBI. I honestly don't care. I have moved past all this. Rob and you seemed to have the need to bring this all back to life after people stopped caring and posting. I know why Rob did, because he seeks the attention and relevancy.

    I am on a 2 month trip across our beautiful country. I don't care about Rob Singer and the double up play. I am entitled to my opinion, but I honestly don't care.

  14. #794
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    BUMP. Right here KJ. This is where you started trolling me. I'm not objective? Fuck you. I want to see what I want to see? Fuck you. I got blinders on? Fuck you.

    Once again, projecting off yourself.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #795
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out.
    Thank you for this statement Rob. This is Exactly one of the possibilities that I have raised. After the fact, that you located a machine or machines that had the capability and were then able to learn the ins and out and acquire the information that is so impressing mickeycrimm. Just one of numerous possibilities.

    It is just a fact that Rob having this information NOW, does not prove Rob knew and/or played this play for years to the tune of 3 million dollars and he has offered nothing that does prove that. So why is mickey getting so bent out of shape about people deciding for themselves at to Rob's credibility.
    How dumb. I've looked for this play every time I've gone to casinos since it got stopped by Kane.

    I also see you're on your "Rob's lied for 20 years" claim. How about supporting that with actual proof--not your corrupted belief system.

  16. #796
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    The double up flaw is driven by the bill feeder issue. If you were not able to insert a bill, which is the key to being able to change the denomination, then there would be no bug. So the "fix" had to focus on that.

    Axel doesn't really know which generation machine he was playing, and I never had any idea about certain generations of machines having this flaw when I played it. I ran across plenty of possible machines back then that didn't work. The fact that he played a machine that lit up after a winning hand and before choosing to double up or not doesn't surprise me. But if you're saying that IGT did not send out new programs that did not 100% conform to the specs the machines were supposed to be running at, I'd call bs on that.
    This bit of information about the bill feeder being the key because it allowed one to change denomination is another piece of information that adds to Rob's credibility. I had no idea why the bill feeder was key until Rob explained it here. I dont' think that bit of information was published anywhere or I would have recalled reading it.
    FYI, I knew this information before Rob had said anything, so it wasn't a complete secret. If you go back, you can see I mention something about this before however I may have disguised the exact thing I was talking about. I have been told by someone in the know that this information was public, but they were not 100% sure, they were just very sure.
    "Cant say for sure but I'm sure." LOL! Track these people down and have them post something here.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #797
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    BUMP. Right here KJ. This is where you started trolling me. I'm not objective? Fuck you. I want to see what I want to see? Fuck you. I got blinders on? Fuck you.

    Once again, projecting off yourself.
    What is wrong with you mickeycrimm? None of this is attacks, name calling or trolling. This is a person expressing an opinion. You are flying off the handle attacking everyone....numerous people who have a different opinion than you.

  18. #798
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Why is it necessary to PM you?

    You were going to wait for what again?

    Didn't you already post a link to your blog a few days ago?
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I was going to wait until 20 entries were in the can.
    But you didn't wait until you had 20 entries before you posted the link...so why are you saying that now?

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't exactly announce the blog with a bullhorn.
    Instead, you were deceptive about already announcing it.

    So why would it be necessary to PM you if anyone wants to check it out?

  19. #799
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    What does Crimm AP?
    Mickey is a whiz at a wide spectrum of machine plays, and has an intimate knowledge of dozens of casinos scattered all over the country. He has extraordinary experience and day-to-day practical savvy. The only possible gambling fault I could even consider might be a tendency to veer out of his lanes, so to speak, but I've been criticized for being too staid in what I do, so who knows? My attitude is that I don't assume going in that anything is beatable except what I've already beaten. Mickey, like most professional gamblers, has a different, more speculative approach. I do very little speculating.

    Okay, I just read mickey's post above, so I'll add this. I don't buy into the logic. I know things about Las Vegas that are known by only a very few people. My providing details about those things would make it seem as if I had to be a part of what I'm discussing. But I was not. I was simply positioned to get those details due to my experience and personal connections. That kind of intimacy with people in the know can be used to create a very credible, seamless storyline. "Singer," as I have said many times, was about as intimate with Las Vegas as I was, partly due to his relationship with DiRocco.

    Personally, I hope Argentino did as he said. There are a couple of details that don't jive, but they don't make a lock case against it. I'm sure mickey has considered them.
    Did you retire in 2009, the same year Kane and Nestor got busted?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #800
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    As weird as ever.

    So you're agitated over my making comments about an anonymous personality claiming something to be true about his anonymous "husband" yada yada yada. And then you claim to be forever mentally disturbed over my making comments about you and your anonymous "dead wife"--with you being just another anonymous personality who has continuously refused to prove who or what you are. Here's a flash red. If you want that to be the "big stuff" quit with the cowardly anonymous baloney and put your proof of real name's on the line. Like I have. And tell that to your pal kew also.

    Your disingenuous characterizations about all this are as phony as your continued denials that you were behind the multiple solicitations I received, for your silly "picks".

    Go troll someone else who doesn't live on Mars.

    Oh here's a good one. 3 minutes ago I got a call from my nephew who works the Tucson/Phoenix/Las Vegas circuit for the FBI. There has been TWO complaints filed about me in the LV office in the past 3 weeks in my real name, regarding my "illegal mantipulation of VP machines" in the 2000's. One caller mentioned this forum for supposed proof, while they both included information about Kane and Nestor's arrest etc.

    Guess what guys--I was prepared for this too. Seems like there's more than one genuinely jealous and totally frustrated soul out there.
    LOL. I've been "real" for 40 years. My blog's been up for about two months now -- I was going to wait until I had 20 entries in the can, but if anybody wants to check it out, you can PM me. If I get around to it, I'll post my bio here from the 1984 "Who's Who in Sports Gambling." It was a one-shot deal from Hall Publishing, put together by Rick Hall who at the time had his fill of Mike Warren and "Danny Sheridan" and so on, so he vetted a group of handicappers who had been publicly monitored for years to be in the book.

    And Rob, I hate to bring this up (not really), because I hope you did what you're claiming to have done, but there is no statute of limitations on Native American land for what you did, so good luck with that. You'll be fine as long as you don't run out of gasoline bordering tribal territory. Just don't send mickey or Axel scouting the plays in Indian casinos, please. We all want them safe and sound. Unless that's your way of getting vengeance on APs or something. You know, like Victor/Victoria -- an anti-AP pretending to be an AP to be an anti-AP.

    I cannot believe nobody mentioned the lack of a statute of limitations in Indian casinos. C'mon, people! I'm not even a machine AP. Think, already.
    I've been through a dozen Indian casinos in the last week. Am I looking for the bug? Nope. Don't give a rats ass about it. Game Kings are not on my agenda. None of the games I play are on them.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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