Originally Posted by
mickeycrimm
Originally Posted by
kewlJ
Look we are going in circles here. This is theft. You guys are comfortable with the play and are saying you would do it or in the case of Rob, do it again. That's fine. It is still theft and still wrong. You are just ok with it.
I'll tell you what, you get back to me with the name of the priest that you explain this to who says there is nothing wrong with this and then we will talk some more.
So the line has been set. It is morally correct to violate house policy by counting and hole carding at blackjack. But it is not morally correct to take advantage of a malfunctioning machine which is also against house policy. But somehow I don't get the logic of one being correct and the other being incorrect
Oh good grief mickey. House policy!?! You are sounding like that Dan Character From Wizard's site that passed away a year or so ago that used to work at Fiesta Henderson. He was always babbling on about "house policy".
You know what the house policy is? They don't want anyone to win.
Look card counting is definitely settled law. It has been ruled on numerous times and has never been found to be illegal or cheating. I want to say Hole-carding has also been ruled on at least a few times and is similarly settled law, but I really can't recall by name any cases. We could ask Bob N.
But this specific play has not really been ruled on. The case we are talking about didn't get to a ruling. I am telling you the feds screwed up by attempting to make it a case about hacking. Nothing was hacked, so the Judge ruled correctly in pre-trial. It should have been a theft case. We don't know what the outcome of that would have been.
What we need is a second case. It would have been nice if Rob had stepped up and taken this on, instead of cowering in his RV, hiding out for 10 years.
That's a joke, but seriously, Rob being concerned about the statute of limitations speaks volumes. He can say he don't feel he did anything "wrong" but his concerns about the statute of limitations really tells the story. Actions always speak louder than words.
Speaking of Bob N. We both have a lot of respect for Bob no? Most here? Rob? How about we just pose the question to Bob N? I mean we can ask him your card counting and hole-carding question as well, but he has already voiced his opinion. But I haven't heard him mention an opinion on the Double up case. Let's ask? He has always leaned towards the players in his legal opinion, but I'll bet you aren't going to like his answer as to whether that is illegal and I bet you know it.