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  1. #801
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out.
    Thank you for this statement Rob. This is Exactly one of the possibilities that I have raised. After the fact, that you located a machine or machines that had the capability and were then able to learn the ins and out and acquire the information that is so impressing mickeycrimm. Just one of numerous possibilities.

    It is just a fact that Rob having this information NOW, does not prove Rob knew and/or played this play for years to the tune of 3 million dollars and he has offered nothing that does prove that. So why is mickey getting so bent out of shape about people deciding for themselves at to Rob's credibility.
    How dumb. I've looked for this play every time I've gone to casinos since it got stopped by Kane.
    Dumb? I simply raised the possibility of one way you could have come into this information without knowing and playing the play beforehand. One of numerous ways. And you seemingly confirmed it.

    I am not going to get into all this back and forth again. Here is the simple fact. You claim you made this play for years to the tune of 3 million plus. But you have offered no supporting evidence of this. If you have some, please, please offer it and end this for good. In the absence of that and since there is other possible ways you could know this information, why should each of us not all be free to decide for ourselves how credible we find you?

    I mean this is basically the Singer system argument all over again. You offer no mathematical way of how you turn a -EV game to a long-term winning game. I have begged you time and time again, to offer something anything that makes this possible and you have given nothing. Just name-calling and attacks.

    In the absence of proof, we are all free to decide how credible we find you.

  2. #802
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So here's the issue, mickey. Maybe you should lighten up. That's your call. It's not your call as to whether anyone else should lighten up. Given what's been said, it's not even close to your call. Nothing Argentino said about my late wife, or the lies written here in perpetuity, or what Argentino said about KJ's late husband, none of that remotely qualifies as "goofball small stuff." KJ "lightening up" would be horribly disrespectful to his late husband. It would be disgraceful. It's not something a real man would do.

    And Argentino knows this. As do you.
    You are all trying to troll me into changing my opinion on whether Rob put the game king play down or not. I list all the credible evidence in Rob's favor and you guys come right back with "but Rob's been trolling us for years. He said this. He said that." You guys do it over and over again. If you hate Rob fine. But try and separate out the issues.
    I HAVE separated the issue. And because I have, I have had some respectable dialogue and discussion with Rob. The most respectable discussions I have had with him in my time here. And I appreciate that.

    But I still have the right to believe what I choose about a guy who has lied about nearly everything he says big and small for years.

    The only bullying and brow beating I see taking place is from mickeycrimm, now attacking everyone who doesn't believe what he chooses to.
    Stop with your bullshit. Because I have a different opinion that you I was labeled as being unobjective, believing what I want to believe, got blinders on. Fuck you.

    Now let's talk about your objectivity. I made a statement earlier in this thread that I thought I could make money with Rob's vp system by working bulk freeplay. You took that statement and turned it into "Now Rob is claiming the freeplay made him a winner." How in the hell does my statement about "I think I can make money with the system working freeplay" turn into "Rob is claiming freeplay made him a winner."

    That's how objective you are KJ. You aren't. You just twist the shit up to suit your belief.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #803
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Thank you for this statement Rob. This is Exactly one of the possibilities that I have raised. After the fact, that you located a machine or machines that had the capability and were then able to learn the ins and out and acquire the information that is so impressing mickeycrimm. Just one of numerous possibilities.

    It is just a fact that Rob having this information NOW, does not prove Rob knew and/or played this play for years to the tune of 3 million dollars and he has offered nothing that does prove that. So why is mickey getting so bent out of shape about people deciding for themselves at to Rob's credibility.
    How dumb. I've looked for this play every time I've gone to casinos since it got stopped by Kane.
    Dumb? I simply raised the possibility of one way you could have come into this information without knowing and playing the play beforehand. One of numerous ways. And you seemingly confirmed it.

    I am not going to get into all this back and forth again. Here is the simple fact. You claim you made this play for years to the tune of 3 million plus. But you have offered no supporting evidence of this. If you have some, please, please offer it and end this for good. In the absence of that and since there is other possible ways you could know this information, why should each of us not all be free to decide for ourselves how credible we find you?

    I mean this is basically the Singer system argument all over again. You offer no mathematical way of how you turn a -EV game to a long-term winning game. I have begged you time and time again, to offer something anything that makes this possible and you have given nothing. Just name-calling and attacks.

    In the absence of proof, we are all free to decide how credible we find you.
    The difference being, kew, is that I have explained the play explicitly and more precisely than any of the video poker experts on or off any forum could possibly or ever have actually done (including when it was a hot topic on the forums), mickey has simply used his head....and YOU are responding out of a deep-seated combination of hatred, envy, and a personal frustration that eats away at your body and soul 24 hours a day.

    Should you wish to feel a whole lot better, may I suggest you host a dinner and only invite jbjb and RS__.

  4. #804
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    In my research since the IGT fix, I've found two very low limit machines at Az. Indian casinos that had the flaw, and when I saw they worked I left without cashing out.
    Thank you for this statement Rob. This is Exactly one of the possibilities that I have raised. After the fact, that you located a machine or machines that had the capability and were then able to learn the ins and out and acquire the information that is so impressing mickeycrimm. Just one of numerous possibilities.

    It is just a fact that Rob having this information NOW, does not prove Rob knew and/or played this play for years to the tune of 3 million dollars and he has offered nothing that does prove that. So why is mickey getting so bent out of shape about people deciding for themselves at to Rob's credibility.
    It is because of your lying bullshit statements like "information that is impressing Mickey Crimm." I'm not impressed, bitch. I'm going with facts and evidence. You are going with bullshit. And your continual attempts to discredit me are bullshit.

    I'm not bent out of shape over your deciding for yourself as to Rob's credibility. I'm bent out of shape because of your continual attempts to discredit me over my deciding for myself about Rob's credibility.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #805
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Now, if you are so sure that Rob didn't put the play down then why did you call the FBI?
    You are barking up the wrong tree Mickey. I didn't call the FBI. I honestly don't care. I have moved past all this. Rob and you seemed to have the need to bring this all back to life after people stopped caring and posting. I know why Rob did, because he seeks the attention and relevancy.

    I am on a 2 month trip across our beautiful country. I don't care about Rob Singer and the double up play. I am entitled to my opinion, but I honestly don't care.
    You don't care but how many posts have you made in this thread? 200?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #806
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    BUMP. Right here KJ. This is where you started trolling me. I'm not objective? Fuck you. I want to see what I want to see? Fuck you. I got blinders on? Fuck you.

    Once again, projecting off yourself.
    What is wrong with you mickeycrimm? None of this is attacks, name calling or trolling. This is a person expressing an opinion. You are flying off the handle attacking everyone....numerous people who have a different opinion than you.
    You're an idiot.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #807
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post



    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I was going to wait until 20 entries were in the can.
    But you didn't wait until you had 20 entries before you posted the link...so why are you saying that now?

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't exactly announce the blog with a bullhorn.
    Instead, you were deceptive about already announcing it.

    So why would it be necessary to PM you if anyone wants to check it out?
    Coach, you're not gonna get anywhere with this oddball who calls himself redietz. He's a professional at getting his tit caught in a wringer, then claiming he's either "in Vegas" or "on a bus to Vegas" so he won't have to engage further.

  8. #808
    I had not announced my blog on this site. I linked to it during a tangential discussion of the Bruins possibly winning the Stanley Cup, but I never announced anything. I happened to have just done a piece on my futures muck-ups, and the Bruins were one of the teams discussed, so I felt it was relevant.

    I'm targeting a couple of dozen people with the blog, so it's basically non-commercial. If people PM me, I can tell them what'll be upcoming in terms of schedule and topics, and if they have questions, those questions can be answered, at least to some degree. Also, a full set of references or related readings can be provided.

    And for "Singer's" benefit, I'll be in LV July 27-August 1st. Come on down! Working on a second excursion, but sports gambling is legal in Tennessee come July 1st, so I'm a little busy.
    Last edited by redietz; 06-18-2019 at 08:34 PM.

  9. #809
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I had not announced my blog on this site. I linked to it during a tangential discussion of the Bruins possibly winning the Stanley Cup, but I never announced anything. I happened to have just done a piece on my futures muck-ups, and the Bruins were one of the teams discussed, so I felt it was relevant.

    I'm targeting a couple of dozen people with the blog, so it's basically non-commercial. If people PM me, I can tell them what'll be upcoming in terms of schedule and topics, and if they have questions, those questions can be answered, at least to some degree. Also, a full set of references or related readings can be provided.

    And for "Singer's" benefit, I'll be in LV July 27-August 1st. Come on down! Working on a second excursion, but sports gambling is legal in Tennessee come July 1st, so I'm a little busy.
    I read your blog a couple of weeks ago. I think it's well written and entertaining, but a little wordy sometimes. I would have added some relevant and interesting comments on a couple of those columns if comments were allowed. Nice job on that. It's obviously a lot of work to turn those out, but I imagine it's a labor of love.

  10. #810
    Two more things. First, no one is commenting on Rob's announcing his retirement from professional video poker in 2009. Maybe is you ignore it long enough it will just go away. But comments like "He wasn't a professional player" are irrelevant to the fact that he did announce he was retiring from professional play in 2009, the year Kane and Nestor got busted.

    2nd, I'm real fuzzy memory on this one but I think it was sometime between 2004 and 2009 that their was a lot of buzz about Gaming Today and Rob hitting a 100K W2-G. I think Rob wrote an article or two about it. Would that W2-G have been generated on a game king with a double up option?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #811
    The hardest part of the story to understand is how little money Rob won. Over 5 years you could win $3 million working a few days a month at .25 - $1 machines only hitting taxables on royals and not wearing a welcome out anywhere.
    If nothing else Singer is lazy AF.

  12. #812
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I had not announced my blog on this site. I linked to it during a tangential discussion of the Bruins possibly winning the Stanley Cup, but I never announced anything. I happened to have just done a piece on my futures muck-ups, and the Bruins were one of the teams discussed, so I felt it was relevant.

    I'm targeting a couple of dozen people with the blog, so it's basically non-commercial. If people PM me, I can tell them what'll be upcoming in terms of schedule and topics, and if they have questions, those questions can be answered, at least to some degree. Also, a full set of references or related readings can be provided.

    And for "Singer's" benefit, I'll be in LV July 27-August 1st. Come on down! Working on a second excursion, but sports gambling is legal in Tennessee come July 1st, so I'm a little busy.
    I read your blog a couple of weeks ago. I think it's well written and entertaining, but a little wordy sometimes. I would have added some relevant and interesting comments on a couple of those columns if comments were allowed. Nice job on that. It's obviously a lot of work to turn those out, but I imagine it's a labor of love.
    Thanks. I was contacted a long time ago by a literary agency that wanted me to do some sample chapters for a book. The first response I got to the sample chapters was, "Um, yeah, except it's not supposed to be an anthropology text" or something like that. If you have any specific blog comments, feel free to ship them along to integritysports@aol.com. I'm trying to give myself a 48-hour time frame to do each column, like a newspaper deadline, so the columns may not have much polish to them. Hopefully, I'll get better. It's more journalism than writing, but I still have to get better. The errors I make are embarrassingly bad, but I'm still going to stick with the 48 hour deadline.

  13. #813
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Since you brought up credibility I have something to say about that. The following comment is not about Rob or the double up bug situation.

    Credibility in the gambling and AP world can be hart to spot if you havent been in the business. And that's unfortunate since there are lots of people who dream of being able to gamble for a living and get rich quick. You better have a very good sence of logic if you want to get into the AP business, or you are fucked. You don't have to be a math expert, but you better believe in the math and that the math IS king or you are fucked.

    IMO credibility comes with more than what people write and say anonymously on the forums. There are many people who are well read and well written. They can read about something, think about it, understand it, repeat it and even add to it without ever doing it them self. There are even some lower level AP's who hear about plays from other AP's, oftentimes after the fact, and then they tout them as their own claiming they play this or that blah blah blah. More than once I have had the pleasure of having someone tell me about a play they were on and what they did. I'm thinking, REALLY??? There were only 4 machines and I had them all locked up with partners and people who play for us. There are situations where the place is small and it would have been impossible for me not to have noticed them there playing. Depending on the play and situation I almost always walk around and take in the situation in order to evaluate everything. Even in bigger casinos that have multiple things to play I can almost allays tell who's there playing the promotion.

    I have had people claim they know this person or that person. I'm like really?? That's like my best friend and shit, I'm sure you can see where this is going.

    Then there are people who are clever enough to insinuate stuff without actually claiming it. They try to paint a picture of knowledge, the people they and certain other things just to give the illusion of credibility, yet they leave themselves with outs if ever they called out on it i.e. "I didnt say that, here is exactly what I said" For example. Lets say the discussion is about Phil Ivy and his baccarat play. I could pop up and say, I know him, Perhaps I will give him a call, I have him on speed dial. That may be true, however, he may not know me and I may have his number but only talked to him years ago about something unrelated and trivial.

    Let's take BJ since its a little more anonymous and you may not ever run into a particular card counter so its harder to tell whats what, especially since there a vast amount of free knowledge on the internet and books etc. It would be very possible to learn the art of card counting to a higher skill level and thinking. One could seem and be very knowable while claiming they make x amount per year playing and doing this or that. Meanwhile they are just red chippers who make almost nothing. And then theres poker. That's even harder to figure out of a guys a winning player or not.

    What people write and say on the forum and other places is a good start for sure, but after that you are left with nothing. So now what? For me it comes down to:
    Do I, or have I ever actually see them out playing stuff(or have I ever even meet them)
    How many people do they know that I know, do those people even know them?
    Do others see them out playing stuff, have they ever meet anyone I know, or someone I know who know somome that knows them?
    Have they ever known and done business with me or others I know, how many times?
    If so, what do those people have to say about them?
    Can anything they say actually be confirmed by others or some kind of proof?
    Who are the people confirming this stuff, do I know and trust them?

    Things start to add up and you can even get a good sence about someone, sometimes even people you have never even meet yourself.

  14. #814
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    The hardest part of the story to understand is how little money Rob won. Over 5 years you could win $3 million working a few days a month at .25 - $1 machines only hitting taxables on royals and not wearing a welcome out anywhere.
    If nothing else Singer is lazy AF.
    And I did struggle with that. The only way I can put it is, from here it seems like taking candy from a baby. But when you're doing it, you're paranoid that someone anywhere will notice your odd, out-of-sync movements. All it takes is once for your life to change. Maybe not today if you're lucky enough to find one. But at the time I was on my own in the unknown. I'm anal when it comes to planning strategy for anything. One big hit and done seemed like the best way forward for me, and I was assured of an enjoyable 4-1/2 hour ride home every single week.

    That said, I was reading thru some of the articles the WoV poster put up in this thread. Kane and Nestor appear to have done this on a penny thru 50c machine at the Fremont, winning over $100k in a few days or a week or whatever before attracting any attention?? If that's the case, maybe my hyper-worrying over possibly drawing eyes to my odd sequence of button pushing and bill feeding wasn't necessary? Even the guy upstairs who was watching Kane hit jackpots at the Silverton never noticed anything weird, and he never even saw that he was only playing dollars. BTW, the strange part about that story is that if Kane were actually playing $10 he really would have hit all those same jackpots. It's a triple-play machine. I don't understand why the writer made it seem like Kane was hitting a suspicious # of big winners. The only red flag (and it's a huge one) was when he used the same exact hand a second time for a jackpot.

  15. #815
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think Rob's overall knowledge of the nuts and bolts of this play is key. In a public debate on it I think it will become apparent to many that his overall knowledge of the play is far superior to anyone else's.
    Mickeycrimm, you want to see what you want to see. Having now befriended and decided you find Rob credible, THAT is what you see.

    But the fact remains that for any objective person Robs claims remain dubious based on 20+ years of untruthfulness.

    I don't see anyone debating that Rob now appears to have extensive knowledge of this play and how it worked. But it remains that there are numerous ways he could have come into this knowledge after the fact....after the story broke. And one of those ways is for him to have actually found and exploited the play to some degree, a smaller degree than his claim, AFTER the fact.

    Now again, perhaps it went down exactly as Rob claims. Perhaps it didn't. Rob who for years demanded proof of everyone, you included on every claim, has offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that would collaborate his claim. All paperwork and tax documents were mysteriously disregarded, when he knew that some day he intended to publicly make this claim and people would want to see something to back it up. How convenient!

    In the absence of any such collaborating documentation, people only have Rob's reputation and 20+ years of untruthful claims to base any kind of credibility on. And THAT is exactly what credibility is. YOU build it up over time.

    So you can now choose to put blinders on and accept your new friend's claim and support him by finding him credible, but it just doesn't make it so. A 20 year history says otherwise.
    Since you brought up credibility I have something to say about that. The following comment is not about Rob or the double up bug situation.

    Credibility in the gambling and AP world can be hart to spot if you havent been in the business. And that's unfortunate since there are lots of people who dream of being able to gamble for a living and get rich quick. You better have a very good sence of logic if you want to get into the AP business, or you are fucked. You don't have to be a math expert, but you better believe in the math and that the math IS king or you are fucked.

    IMO credibility comes with more than what people write and say anonymously on the forums. There are many people who are well read and well written. They can read about something, think about it, understand it, repeat it and even add to it without ever doing it them self. There are even some lower level AP's who hear about plays from other AP's, oftentimes after the fact, and then they tout them as their own claiming they play this or that blah blah blah. More than once I have had the pleasure of having someone tell me about a play they were on and what they did. I'm thinking, REALLY??? There were only 4 machines and I had them all locked up with partners and people who play for us. There are situations where the place is small and it would have been impossible for me not to have noticed them there playing. Depending on the play and situation I almost always walk around and take in the situation in order to evaluate everything. Even in bigger casinos that have multiple things to play I can almost allays tell who's there playing the promotion.

    I have had people claim they know this person or that person. I'm like really?? That's like my best friend and shit, I'm sure you can see where this is going.

    Then there are people who are clever enough to insinuate stuff without actually claiming it. They try to paint a picture of knowledge, the people they and certain other things just to give the illusion of credibility, yet they leave themselves with outs if ever they called out on it i.e. "I didnt say that, here is exactly what I said" For example. Lets say the discussion is about Phil Ivy and his baccarat play. I could pop up and say, I know him, Perhaps I will give him a call, I have him on speed dial. That may be true, however, he may not know me and I may have his number but only talked to him years ago about something unrelated and trivial.

    Let's take BJ since its a little more anonymous and you may not ever run into a particular card counter so its harder to tell whats what, especially since there a vast amount of free knowledge on the internet and books etc. It would be very possible to learn the art of card counting to a higher skill level and thinking. One could seem and be very knowable while claiming they make x amount per year playing and doing this or that. Meanwhile they are just red chippers who make almost nothing. And then theres poker. That's even harder to figure out of a guys a winning player or not.

    What people write and say on the forum and other places is a good start for sure, but after that you are left with nothing. So now what? For me it comes down to:
    Do I, or have I ever actually see them out playing stuff(or have I ever even meet them)
    How many people do they know that I know, do those people even know them?
    Do others see them out playing stuff, have they ever meet anyone I know, or someone I know who know somome that knows them?
    Have they ever known and done business with me or others I know, how many times?
    If so, what do those people have to say about them?
    Can anything they say actually be confirmed by others or some kind of proof?
    Who are the people confirming this stuff, do I know and trust them?

    Things start to add up and you can even get a good sence about someone, sometimes even people you have never even meet yourself.

    This was basically my previous point. I could, without too much trouble, concoct a story that would convincingly portray myself as having worked for certain factions in Las Vegas for whom I never worked. I have details civilians do not have. That doesn't mean I'm not a civilian. It means that I have intimate knowledge of the non-civilians.

    To Axel's point: without non-civilians to corroborate, my story would be just isolated, unconnected data.

  16. #816
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    The hardest part of the story to understand is how little money Rob won. Over 5 years you could win $3 million working a few days a month at .25 - $1 machines only hitting taxables on royals and not wearing a welcome out anywhere.
    If nothing else Singer is lazy AF.
    BoSox:

    Frankly, everything that Rob Singer says is hard to believe and I think it is all a lie. How little money Rob claimed to have won over a five-year span is not the hardest part of the story for me to believe. The real hard part for me to believe is Rob stating in a former quote that he has a real sense of morals.


    Rob Singer wrote in post #764:


    BTW, when I came out with this it was also my time to act like I am in real life here. No more nonsense, trolling, embellishing, insulting or anything that I wouldn't do at home. There was lots of pressure on me over the years because of what I did and how I chose to act in order to keep my mind busy with "entertainment", I knew I could handle it, and I knew there'd be a few people who would never forgive or forget, because they're not like mickey and can't distinguish between the important things and the irrelevant stuff.

    So how I handled this is the overall best scenario I could think of. People who can rationalize while being able to separate the bs from everything else understand this. Others let their hatred do their talking. I was prepared for both.


    BoSox:

    This part of a line from Rob's above quote needs repeating:

    " There was lots of pressure on me over the years because of what I did and how I chose to act in order to keep my mind busy with "entertainment",


    The key avove line by Rob is a sure giveaway. Good lord this man has never had any morals, or conscience for that matter. He is full of shit. I don't believe a word of it.
    Last edited by BoSox; 06-19-2019 at 07:30 AM.

  17. #817
    Axelwolf, a couple things I take away from your post.

    1.) While I don't think you were speaking of Rob specifically with the comment about AP's learning about a play "after the fact" and using that knowledge to gain some sort of credibility, this is one of the possibilities I have raised with the double up. I don't know if that is what happened with Rob, but it IS a possibility. And or that learning of the play after the fact lead him to look for and find the play on some level that allowed him to learn even more. It IS a possibility. That's all I am saying.

    #2. I don't know if you are referring to me with comments about AP's that don't feel comfortable meeting up with other AP's, but you have mentioned that this bothers you about me.

    I have met up with a very small number of known AP's. Like count on one hand number and they have all been in the last 2-3 years. It just isn't something I am comfortable with in this town where everyone knows someone including people or family members that work in the industry.

    On the first forum I was on, the original bjinfo, there was an annual meet up and I was torn on attending because there was some members I wanted to meet. At the last minute my gut just told me 'no'. Turns out the guy who organized this meet up, did So in cahoots with the Indian casino involved. Nearly every bj AP experienced "bad variance" on that trip and it is said the guy that organized cut a cut from the casino. So my gut served me well. Lol.

    Furthermore, I network with a number of bj AP's that are rather private. If your not working as a team, and I have little interest in that, then I don't see the benefit. That's just me. I think blackjack aps may be a little more cautious than you machine guys because of the cat\mouse game we play with the industry.

    That said, I am getting a little better. I have met a couple players in the BJ community in the past couple years and I had I real interest in possibly attending at least part of the recent Wov gathering when I spoke to you about that in the spring. Unfortunately you couldn't make that happen.

    But I can assure you that you have seen me 'around'. I saw you at the SLS after closing promotion that I unknowingly blabbed about. And you commented on seeing me and my partner once, describing him to a Tee, right down to what he was wearing that day. I think I may have denied it...but ��.

    I also have run into MaxPen that he and I have discussed (the casino that cheated the blind dude) and I have run into Wiz 3 times now, twice while I was on WoV, once post-wov. I wanted to say hi at least twice, but just didn't. That is just my mentality and it HAS served me well.

  18. #818
    oh one more comment about your post Axel.

    The part about all the common info out there about being a BJ AP. Only partially. Sure all the counting stuff. That's all common knowledge. But the important education about money management and RoR and even mentally dealing with and handling the swings? That part is rarely mentioned or certainly not talked about enough. And that IS the most important part of the game. You just can't register any success without figuring this part out, as evident by some members who have recently shared their experiences (and blame others).

    I have often wondered if these important parts are intentionally omitted.

  19. #819
    Interestingly enough, what Axel said about members learning just enough to appear credible is my whole issue with the former member here (who plays Reno). He knows "just enough" but oddly has no clue about the variance really involved with blackjack AP play.

    Normally I don't care or say anything in that situation but when someone tries to discredit me and exposes their lack of knowledge in doing do...i am going to say something.

  20. #820
    For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), I think Rob probably did exploit the double up flaw, but he's still an asshole. Some things never change.

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