Advantage play, cheating, crime....where do you draw the line? Obviously the definition of advantage play is pretty simple. Playing with an advantage. By this definition even the most illegal things like capping bets, marking cards would be an advantage play. But I don't think any reasonable person or AP would consider it so. So where is the line?

Obviously except in the mind of the casino industry, things like card counting or vulturing machines, isn't cheating or illegal. And just as obvious things like marking cards and light wands are cheating and illegal. But what about the grey area in between. With table games things like hole-carding? Not illegal but is it cheating?

On the machine side, like I said, I don't think anyone outside the casino industry would consider vulturing cheating or illegal. And it is pretty clear that using a device like a lightwand or other electronic device to jam or alter the electronics is both cheating and illegal. But again what about the grey area in between?

What if a player discovers a glitch that allows for a higher payout or a payout of jackpot hands at a higher denomination than was actually played and won? Is this a legitimate advantage play? Is it cheating? Is it illegal? I mean, I guess technically the player hasn't done anything illegal. Maybe some legalese thing like knowingly accepting payment you weren't entitled to. I don't know.

One final question. Suppose someone is charged but the government can't make the case and ends up dropping the charges such as the Game King double up case. Was the act still illegal?

I am anxious to hear the views of all my fellow AP's especially you Rob Singer?