Advantage play / cheating / crime....where is the line?

[kewlJ]

Mickey, you know everything I just stated is true. This explanation of yours that it was the free play that made the difference is just false. The story is changing just as Rob always does and you seem now to be grasping at straws trying to legitimize the preposterous claims of your new friend.

This one really takes the cake. In his obsession with discrediting Rob's story KJ has thrown all credibility out the door. He has once again twisted my words into something they didn't mean.

Redietz, would you like to tell me you don't see KJ's lies and misrepresentations in this thread? Are you sure that you want to continue to align yourself with a pathological liar?

Mickey this has nothing to do with Rob's recent claim involving the Game King double up glitch. I said my piece on that. The math works. That differs from most of his claims. But, I don't find it credible based on his history of deceit and claims. You and Axelwolf do find him credible and that is fine. It is up to each person to decide for them selves who they find credible. So that part of the discussion is over for me unless there is new information or supporting documentation coming.

But based on Singer's continuing claims about his progressive / stop limit / special plays system, I am continuing to challenge the claims made, which have now been revised to 4 years, 375k won. Up until yesterday, you too made the same arguments that I am making, and now you seem to have done an about face. Are you even aware what you are now arguing? I suggest you pick up a copy of The Undeniable Truth about Video Poker by Rob Singer. That is what this discussion is about. His continuing claims that go against mathematical principals. AND he specifically shot down the idea of playing rated and receiving any kind of free play or offers as part of his system in the book. So I don't know why you or he are attempting to change these claims at this time. The claims are all documented. Documented in the books, documented in numerous times in 7500 posts on this forum, as well as many other forums.

Again, this has nothing to do with Singers recent double up glitch claim that you are finding credible. The fact that you find him credible on the double up play, should not change the fact that these other claims are mathematical "problematic". One has nothing to do with the other. This is is the Singer progressive wagering claims, that he is still making even today. Just to refresh your memory, here is a paragraph from Wizard, updated in the last couple months.

Briefly, Singer ridicules the mathematically based strategies that skilled players like me employ. Instead, he follows a progressive betting system, setting a small winning goal each day and ramping up the denomination of his bets until he hits his winning goal. He does not detail a holding strategy but advocates playing more conservatively than skilled strategies in some situations. It should go without saying that my position on video poker is 180 degrees away from Singer's. I had always filed Rob Singer with John Patrick in my folder of people who do not merit serious discussion. --from Micheal Shackleford's Wizard of Odds blog