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    A guy lost like $800,000 the same day in Vegas (He had already been clearly drunk and the Casinos still served him alcohol, so naturally he was playing stupid bets(High bets that wouldn't make sense to someone who wasn't really drunk) and he sued after getting sober claiming he shouldn't have been given even more alcohol after being clearly drunk. The Casinos countered with basically,"We are not his parents and he is not our child nor is he a child. We shouldn't have to tell a grown adult to stop drinking and gambling." IIRC, the Casino staff did mention they knew he would go after them so bad for his lost money when he sobered up and he did. He lost his lawsuit, making him a loser twice .

    Should he have won his lawsuit? I mean in my job that sells alcoholic drinks, we are told not to sell someone who is already really drunk any liquor. Bars are supposed to cut off people who are really drunk too. I saw an article saying that the guy was stumbling, slurring his words and they were still serving him alcohol. On the other hand he is an adult and didn't have to get that drunk, so I don't know.

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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    A guy lost like $800,000 the same day in Vegas (He had already been clearly drunk and the Casinos still served him alcohol, so naturally he was playing stupid bets(High bets that wouldn't make sense to someone who wasn't really drunk) and he sued after getting sober claiming he shouldn't have been given even more alcohol after being clearly drunk. The Casinos countered with basically,"We are not his parents and he is not our child nor is he a child. We shouldn't have to tell a grown adult to stop drinking and gambling." IIRC, the Casino staff did mention they knew he would go after them so bad for his lost money when he sobered up and he did. He lost his lawsuit, making him a loser twice .

    Should he have won his lawsuit? I mean in my job that sells alcoholic drinks, we are told not to sell someone who is already really drunk any liquor. Bars are supposed to cut off people who are really drunk too. I saw an article saying that the guy was stumbling, slurring his words and they were still serving him alcohol. On the other hand he is an adult and didn't have to get that drunk, so I don't know.
    Yes, the casinos claim it is not their responsibility when someone gets to drunk and gambles off all their money. But watch what happens when someone is both drunk and broke. They get shuffled right out the door. Traditionally, the Nevada courts have always protected the casino industry.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    In Colorado it is against the law for a visibly intoxicated person to be on casino premises. If Gaming catches a visibly intoxicated person on casino premises they will charge the casino for it. Very strict there.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In Colorado it is against the law for a visibly intoxicated person to be on casino premises. If Gaming catches a visibly intoxicated person on casino premises they will charge the casino for it. Very strict there.
    Colorado is smart. I wonder exactly why the Casino still served someone alcohol who was stumbling and slurring his words. I wonder if they were taking advantage of him seeing how stupid and high his bets were.

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    Come on Bob21 let us all know how wonderful Casino personnel are, and always act with concern for the customer.

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    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Come on Bob21 let us all know how wonderful Casino personnel are, and always act with concern for the customer.
    I was thinking of doing that Bosox, so now that you asked i will. Did anybody see this is what his lawyer is claiming? We don’t know if it’s true. So people should hold off judging what happened. I expect the casino was in the right, and this bozo was in the wrong.

    Of course he’s going to do that, meaning sue the casino. That’s what our society has come to. Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore. It’s always someone else’s fault. It’s McDonalds fault if we’re fat. If we shoot someone, it’s some movie or video games fault for promoting violence.

    And if we gamble too much, it’s the casinos fault for letting us do that. It’s either caused by the alcohol or all the pretty girls casinos use to lure us into gambling so much we lose it all. Colin thinks it’s becaue casinos don’t have clocks on the wall.

    It’s looks like this guy is going with the alcohol excuse. Good choice! I don’t think he’d win this case if he went with the casino’s pretty girls distracted me excuse. But you never know. These days about any excuse can win in our courts. It’s always someone elses fault.

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    I just reread the OP and noticed he lost his case. Great! He should have lost. In fact, it should have never gone to court. It’s good to see the Nevada court system has some principles. Can’t say that for some of the states in the northeast.

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    Serve free alcohol, get someone drunk, take all their money. Just got to love casinos.

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    Originally Posted by ke6cdh View Post
    Serve free alcohol, get someone drunk, take all their money. Just got to love casinos.
    Yeah, it’s called a free country and it’s what people like about casinos. I can tell you’re a liberal. How? You blame the casinos for getting someone drink, rather than the person who gets drunk. I have yet to see a casino hold someone down and pour alcohol down his throat and then prop him up at the table. Maybe you have. If you have, you should call the law.

    Liberals think people are incapable of thinking for themselves. That’s why they need the government. I’m surprised liberals haven’t tried to pass laws where casinos can’t serve alcohol.

    The problem is that would take the fun away from the majority, who know how to drink and enjoy gambling responsibly.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by ke6cdh View Post
    Serve free alcohol, get someone drunk, take all their money. Just got to love casinos.
    Yeah, it’s called a free country and it’s what people like about casinos. I can tell you’re a liberal. How? You blame the casinos for getting someone drink, rather than the person who gets drunk. I have yet to see a casino hold someone down and pour alcohol down his throat and then prop him up at the table. Maybe you have. If you have, you should call the law.

    Liberals think people are incapable of thinking for themselves. That’s why they need the government. I’m surprised liberals haven’t tried to pass laws where casinos can’t serve alcohol.

    The problem is that would take the fun away from the majority, who know how to drink and enjoy gambling responsibly.
    It is against Gaming Regulations in the State of Nevada for Casinos to "Permit persons who are visibly impaired by alcohol or any other drug to participate in gaming activity".

    https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdo...ocumentid=2945

    That must be why we never see drunks in Vegas Casinos.

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    Yeah, I get it. So the courts must have seen the casino was in the right and this bozo wasn’t visibly drunk (or impaired) because the bozo lost the case.

    I don’t know if you’ve heard but the casino have cameras. I’m sure this bozo’s lawyers was able to get the video from the time when he lost $800,000 and I expect it shows he wasn’t visible impaired. Thus, he lost the case.

    Here’s something else many APs don’t know. Casinos know this law too. That’s why they don’t serve people when they are visibly impaired, or drunk, and playing games.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Yeah, I get it. So the courts must have seen the casino was in the right and this bozo wasn’t visibly drunk (or impaired) because the bozo lost the case.

    I don’t know if you’ve heard but the casino have cameras. I’m sure this bozo’s lawyers was able to get the video from the time when he lost $800,000 and I expect it shows he wasn’t visible impaired. Thus, he lost the case.

    Here’s something else many APs don’t know. Casinos know this law too. That’s why they don’t serve people when they are visibly impaired, or drunk, and playing games.
    I think it may be different than that. That is a gaming regulation not a law. The Casino could get fined for letting him play, but maybe he isn't entitled to claw his money back in civil court just because he was drunk when he lost it. Face it. If every drunk gambler could get their money back, there would be a lot of refunds....and Vegas wasn't built by returning losses to gamblers. There's lots of stories like this. Like the guy who owned Oriental Trading. Rio kept him drunk and drugged up for days on end...and he lost his 127 Million Dollar fortune.

    https://www.mobilecasinoparty.com/bu...g-streak-ever/

    Or This Guy

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/ju...500000-losses/

    Who lost $500,000 at Downtown Grand. He was so blackout drunk he had no memory of the loss.

    These usually come to light when the gambler refuses to pay a final marker because they've run out of money.

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    Yes casinos are not particulary ethical in this regard, however i have no sympathy for someone who gets drunk and blows all their money. Dont drink and drive, don't drink and play with firearms, don't drink and walk into a casino with (or with access to) 500k, 800k, or $127M.

    If you are bright enough to lose 500k, 800k, or 127M drinking too much at a casino, you probably weren't destined for a great future anyway even had you never gone to the casino.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Yes casinos are not particulary ethical in this regard, however i have no sympathy for someone who gets drunk and blows all their money. Dont drink and drive, don't drink and play with firearms, don't drink and walk into a casino with (or with access to) 500k, 800k, or $127M.

    If you are bright enough to lose 500k, 800k, or 127M drinking too much at a casino, you probably weren't destined for a great future anyway even had you never gone to the casino.
    Amen! Good to see someone who thinks like me. Why do so many APs NOT believe in personal accountability for one’s actions? Why do they think everyone is a pawn, waiting to be taken advantage by the casino?

    I have one friend who is a fairly high roller ploppy, and he regularly loses $30,000 at a pop. And he’s never blamed the casinos. He’s a class action attorney and makes big money (like more than a milllion a year), and he enjoys gambling. And he likes the way the casinos treat him since they send private plane for him and treat him like royalty. I’ve gone on one trip with him and it was something I’ve never experienced as an AP playing by myself. We didn’t need to wait in line at the nicest restaurants and had our own elevators to our suites. For this guy, the casinos were adding value even though he lost a lot.

    He’s kind of like Charles Barkley, who has lost $30 million in a casino and still enjoys going. I’m sure Charles drinks when he’s in casinos. APs would probably think casinos are taking advantage of him, serving him alcohol while he gambles. Charles has said it’s his money and he’ll spend it or lose it the way he wants. I know APs like to judge people like this, saying he’s incapable of making decisions for himself when he’s in the casino. As for me, I’m not a judger.
    Last edited by Bob21; 05-23-2019 at 03:18 AM.

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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Yes casinos are not particulary ethical in this regard, however i have no sympathy for someone who gets drunk and blows all their money. Dont drink and drive, don't drink and play with firearms, don't drink and walk into a casino with (or with access to) 500k, 800k, or $127M.

    If you are bright enough to lose 500k, 800k, or 127M drinking too much at a casino, you probably weren't destined for a great future anyway even had you never gone to the casino.
    Amen! Good to see someone who thinks like me. Why do so many APs NOT believe in personal accountability for one’s actions? Why do they think everyone is a pawn, waiting to be taken advantage by the casino?

    I have one friend who is a fairly high roller ploppy, and he regularly loses $30,000 at a pop. And he’s never blamed the casinos. He’s a class action attorney and makes big money (like more than a milllion a year), and he enjoys gambling. And he likes the way the casinos treat him since they send private plane for him and treat him like royalty. I’ve gone on one trip with him and it was something I’ve never experienced as an AP playing by myself. We didn’t need to wait in line at the nicest restaurants and had our own elevators to our suites. For this guy, the casinos were adding value even though he lost a lot.

    He’s kind of like Charles Barkley, who has lost $30 million in a casino and still enjoys going. I’m sure Charles drinks when he’s in casinos. APs would probably think casinos are taking advantage of him, serving him alcohol while he gambles. Charles has said it’s his money and he’ll spend it or lose it the way he wants. I know APs like to judge people like this, saying he’s incapable of making decisions for himself when he’s in the casino. As for me, I’m not a judger.
    The fact that you turned this into an AP thing is absolutely ridiculous and retarded. I will now put you into the anti AP camp. I bet you that most AP's will agree that its a too bad so sad situation. My reasoning for thinking they should be held responsible is because I have seen how unethical and greedy casinos can get when it comes to trying to keep their high rollers from leaving the casino. It's very predatory. I have seen many outrageous acts by casinos when it comes to this stuff. I can only imagine how bad it really is. In AC at the Borgata, one time I saw a very drunk lady who was basically half slumping off her chair while her purse was on the ground opened up with cash half spilling out. When I alerted security of the situation they just put one on standby to guard her money while a shift slot manager helped her insert money into the machine so she could slowly, but surely, keep spinning as she was swaying back and forth and about to pass out. They are always looking for angles to not pay AP's who actually follow the rules, so they should be held accountable when they don't follow the rules. It's not about the guy getting his money back(i don't care about him and his dumb mistakes) it's about tagging the casino for their stupidity and unethical behavor.

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    Originally Posted by ke6cdh View Post
    Serve free alcohol, get someone drunk, take all their money. Just got to love casinos.


    Thank goodness for advantage players who bring a little bit of payback for lowlife casinos.

  17. #17
    Are there some people working in the casino industry that are unethical and do things that skirt the law, or break the law? Yes, of course. That is true with all industries. All industry have some people that are unethical. It’s because they are run by humans and humans are not perfect. I learned this from the Bilble, and being around people.

    Do I believe casinos have a higher number of these people then other industries? No.

    Have you heard of the Darwin awards? They are given to people who remove their genes from the human population by doing something stupid and dieing. It’s a tongue-in-cheek award.

    Maybe this is part of the value of the casinos. They remove money from people who have too much out of it and don’t know what to do. When I hear of someone who is so stupid they lose $800,000 in one evening at a casino, I believe casinos did a service to society by removing that money from that individual. That money is better in the hands of the casinos and our government (when the casinos pay taxes on this amount).

    Btw, I’m in that very select group that is pro-AP and pro-casino. I like casinos and I like being an AP. But for the most part if there’s a conflict between the casino and an AP or some Joe-Blow gambler, I’ll probably side with the casino, since most the time they’re in the right. There are exceptions, of course.

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    Something in the back of my mind tells me there is a possibility if he had WON, they might have denied his winnings saying something shady like,"We have a rule against paying out to intoxicated persons."

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    Are you familiar with the story of Leonard Tose, Former owner of The Philadelphia Eagles in the 70's and 80's?

    Toes made his money in the trucking business, bought The Eagles. Lived in a mansion in the exclusive Main Line section of Philly suburbs. Tose ran up huge gambling debts at several Atlantic City Casinos, which forced him to Sell The Eagles to cover those debts. Eventually he was evicted from his mansion and died living in a small rundown, old hotel room in Philadelphia.

    Several of the casinos sued him to get their money. Toes countersued, claiming the casinos all overserved him. There was some pretty damming testimony when a cocktail waitress, testified that her instructions were to keep his glass filled at all times until he was no longer standing. She said she complained to management that they were illegally overserving him and she was threatened with the loss of her job. There was similar testimony from a number of people. Despite this pretty damming testimony, the casinos won, and I have already told you how it ended for Mr. Tose. He literally lost an NFL team (and a fortune) to gambling addiction. That is on him. But what the Casinos did, is also illegal and predatory behavior. And that is precisely why so many people despise the casino Industry.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-23-2019 at 10:46 PM.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Are you familiar with the story of Leonard Tose, Former owner of The Philadelphia Eagles in the 70's and 80's?

    Toes made his money in the trucking business, bought The Eagles. Lived in a mansion in the exclusive Main Line section of Philly suburbs. Tose ran up huge gambling debts at several Atlantic City Casinos, which forced him to Sell The Eagles to cover those debts. Eventually he was evicted from his mansion and died living in a small rundown, old hotel room in Philadelphia.

    Several of the casinos sued him to get their money. Toes countersued, claiming the casinos all overserved him. There was some pretty damming testimony when a cocktail waitress, testified that her instructions were to keep his glass filled at all times until he was no longer standing. She said she complained to management that they were illegally overserving him and she was threatened with the loss of her job. There was similar testimony from a number of people. Despite this pretty damming testimony, the casinos won, and I have already told you how it ended for Mr. Tose. He literally lost an NFL team (and a fortune) to gambling addiction. That is on him. But what the Casinos did, is also illegal and predatory behavior. And that is precisely why so many people despise the casino Industry.
    Kj, here’s what you, most APs, and the anti-casino crowd don’t get. There are tens of thousands of stories like this. That’s why casinos were illegal in our country prior to 1931, and in most states prior to the 70s. There will always be some problem gamblers (liberals call it “addiction”, if you want) that will have their lives ruined by gambling.

    Mickey and many others (including jbjb) have attached articles showing me the devestation that happens when casinos come into states and local comminuties. Crime, bankruptcies, divorce, etc, go up. Everybody gets this! It’s a proven fact. The only people in the world that don’t know everybody already knows this is the AP community. They think they are the only people privey to this information so they continue to send me articles showing me the downside of casinos.

    Here’s what most APs don’t get. This is what comes along with casinos in a free society. There will always be some people that can’t control their gambling, just like there are people that can’t control their drinking, etc. The only way to address this issue is by making casinos and gambling illegal. And while we’re at it, we might as well make drinking illegal too. And why not make McDonald’s french fies illegal since they make people fat?

    The problem is we have a culture today that doesn’t hold people accountable. We call it an ”addiction” or blame some company, or some industry for an individual’s actions.

    Until I got on these forums I had no idea that the majority of APs were liberals. They don’t believe in individual accountability. If someone gambles too much and loses everything, APs believe it is the fault of the casinos. The gambler is never held accountable for his/her own actions.

    Here’s something most APs don’t understand. The purpose of a business is to sell more of what they have/make. That’s how businesses make money. This is an economic lesson for you APs. McDonald’s tries to sell more hamburgers and fires, but they don’t want people to be obese. Marriott wants people to stay in their hotel rooms more often but they don’t want you to stay there so often you go bankruot.Car compaines want to sell you more cars, but they don’t want you to go bankrupt buying their cars. Banks give people loans, but they don’t want to reposes your things when you can’t pay the loan back but sometimes that happens.

    And casinos want you to gamble more? Why? Because that’s their business model. It’s what casinos do. I’m surprised APs don’t know this since they spend so much time in casinos. But casinos don’t want people to gamble so much they lose all their money. I know that’s the liberal presses version so that’s how they slant all their stories....casinos and any big business are always the bad guy trying to take advantage of little Joe and big Joe. I’m surprised APs are so gullible and believe it.
    Last edited by Bob21; 05-24-2019 at 05:33 AM.

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