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  1. #1
    I was just reading a story about a Sheriff somewhere in Tennessee who had a guy turn some video poker/slot machine cheating device over to him, claiming he found it along with a bunch of 20's in a used car he just bought.

    Apparently, the device cleverly attaches to the end of any bill so that when you stick your hundy into a feeder and once the machine records the added credits, you simply pull the bill back out. Rinse and repeat. The sheriff said he's seen these before, but this was the most sophisticated one he's ever come across.

    I'm addressing kew here. Now THIS is what I call illegal cheating and stealing. With this device you're using an external gadget to manipulate a slot machine into giving you money you did not win. Compare that to how I did nothing but what players are legally expected to do while playing: push buttons, touch screens, and feed bills & tickets in so that my winning hands were "enhanced".

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    The only thing that will be remembered are the personal attacks. As I said many times, I would have disregarded all who disagreed and just posted little gems for all who were willing to read.I probably would have never thought of holding an unsuited 10 on a Razgu hand, playing 1,2,5 credits artt style to win/lose $100 on a $5 machine, etc.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm addressing kew here. Now THIS is what I call illegal cheating and stealing. With this device you're using an external gadget to manipulate a slot machine into giving you money you did not win. Compare that to how I did nothing but what players are legally expected to do while playing: push buttons, touch screens, and feed bills & tickets in so that my winning hands were "enhanced".
    Why are you seeking my approval? I mean, you are basically saying "hey look at what this guy did. Way worse that what I did." As if that will make me disapprove less of what you did. It doesn't work that way Robert. I have my standards of what I find acceptable. And they apparently are different that yours. So what's the problem? As long as you are comfortable with what you did or claim to have done, what do you care what I think?

    But this really isn't about me is it? What this really is about is you trying to justify it to yourself. Frankly there are a number of things you have said or done since this claim became public that indicate that contrary to what you insist, you really aren't all that comfortable with what you did. Things like having never told anyone in your family. I can't help you out Rob. I know what I think is right and what I think is wrong. It is up to you to decide that for yourself and come to terms with it.

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    I'm shaking my head again over the odd things you say and the strange way you say them. Apparently there's a whole lotta things going thru your mind whenever I become a part of it. Here's a flash: I would not have posted this thread if I had not come across the article. And the part about you was simply to see if you truly understood the difference between right and wrong. You hold that double-standard which you just can't shake---if one of your imaginary online admirers had done what I've done, you'd say "way to find and make money from an advantage, my friend!" But when one of your adversaries who's been holding you close to the fire does so, you cry foul. And it looks like YOU'RE the uncomfortable one who can't come to terms over it kew. I'm at complete peace with my actions and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    Get you're mind straight young man, and maybe someday you'll have enough life experience to sort things out better.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm shaking my head again over the odd things you say and the strange way you say them. Apparently there's a whole lotta things going thru your mind whenever I become a part of it. Here's a flash: I would not have posted this thread if I had not come across the article. And the part about you was simply to see if you truly understood the difference between right and wrong. You hold that double-standard which you just can't shake---if one of your imaginary online admirers had done what I've done, you'd say "way to find and make money from an advantage, my friend!" But when one of your adversaries who's been holding you close to the fire does so, you cry foul. And it looks like YOU'RE the uncomfortable one who can't come to terms over it kew. I'm at complete peace with my actions and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    Get you're mind straight young man, and maybe someday you'll have enough life experience to sort things out better.
    LOL. Hey Argentino, I have a question about "right and wrong" while you're coming clean on things. How about fessing up to the undeniable and unadulterated fact that Robert E. Dietz and/or Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports never solicited you in any way, shape, or form? You made some slipshod claims regarding that, but somehow lost the emails, texts, phone messages, phone numbers, and so on that would prove it. Those slipshod claims were outright lies.

    And let's be crystal clear here. You received no email, no text message, no phone call, no snail mail, no nothing from me...period. You have not one scrap of anything with my phone number, email, or signature.

    Now, do you think outright lying about me soliciting you is "right?" Or is it "wrong?" Or is it all in the service of some personal AP play of yours, which according to your way of thinking, would make it okay?

  6. #6
    RobS wrote:

    I'm at complete peace with my actions

    Yah, if true you only had to wait ten years to assure covering your ass.

    and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    What the hell do they know? All you did was spoil them besides training them in how to beat the system subjectively.
    Last edited by BoSox; Yesterday at 04:07 PM.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm shaking my head again over the odd things you say and the strange way you say them. Apparently there's a whole lotta things going thru your mind whenever I become a part of it. Here's a flash: I would not have posted this thread if I had not come across the article. And the part about you was simply to see if you truly understood the difference between right and wrong. You hold that double-standard which you just can't shake---if one of your imaginary online admirers had done what I've done, you'd say "way to find and make money from an advantage, my friend!" But when one of your adversaries who's been holding you close to the fire does so, you cry foul. And it looks like YOU'RE the uncomfortable one who can't come to terms over it kew. I'm at complete peace with my actions and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    Get you're mind straight young man, and maybe someday you'll have enough life experience to sort things out better.
    Rob, who brought this up? And specifically mentioned me?

    As for you considering me your adversary. I took and still take offense at very nasty things you said about me, my partner and family. Other than that I have no issue with you, nor wish you any bad fortune or vibes.

    Ya know sometimes you draw a distinction between yourself and what you did and AP's and at other times, you seem to count yourself among the very same AP group that you say you despise. I don't know whether you are or aren't and don't care. But you definitely seem to have that same ego-based mentality of many AP's with the need to prove or convince that they are "better" than other AP's. Everything always becomes a pissing contest with AP's.

    I never understood what that is about. I don't feel I am competing with anyone, including other AP's, so I don't feel like I have adversaries other than those in the Casino industry (or supportive industries) that are trying to stop me. They are my only adversaries. But if you feel you need for adversaries to compete with and that you and I are adversaries...enjoy yourself.

  8. #8
    Let's face the facts people. Rob NEVER partook in the double up glitch. Stop engaging him and wise up!

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    RobS wrote:

    I'm at complete peace with my actions

    Yah, if true you only had to wait ten years to assure covering your ass.

    and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    What the hell do they know? All you did was spoil them besides training them in how to beat the system subjectively.
    Bo get a grip. I did things in my first ten years of working life far more stressful than exploiting a gaming situation, that I never told anyone about and never will.

    My family believes I'm the smartest person they've ever come across. I think they're right.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm shaking my head again over the odd things you say and the strange way you say them. Apparently there's a whole lotta things going thru your mind whenever I become a part of it. Here's a flash: I would not have posted this thread if I had not come across the article. And the part about you was simply to see if you truly understood the difference between right and wrong. You hold that double-standard which you just can't shake---if one of your imaginary online admirers had done what I've done, you'd say "way to find and make money from an advantage, my friend!" But when one of your adversaries who's been holding you close to the fire does so, you cry foul. And it looks like YOU'RE the uncomfortable one who can't come to terms over it kew. I'm at complete peace with my actions and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    Get you're mind straight young man, and maybe someday you'll have enough life experience to sort things out better.
    Rob, who brought this up? And specifically mentioned me?

    As for you considering me your adversary. I took and still take offense at very nasty things you said about me, my partner and family. Other than that I have no issue with you, nor wish you any bad fortune or vibes.

    Ya know sometimes you draw a distinction between yourself and what you did and AP's and at other times, you seem to count yourself among the very same AP group that you say you despise. I don't know whether you are or aren't and don't care. But you definitely seem to have that same ego-based mentality of many AP's with the need to prove or convince that they are "better" than other AP's. Everything always becomes a pissing contest with AP's.

    I never understood what that is about. I don't feel I am competing with anyone, including other AP's, so I don't feel like I have adversaries other than those in the Casino industry (or supportive industries) that are trying to stop me. They are my only adversaries. But if you feel you need for adversaries to compete with and that you and I are adversaries...enjoy yourself.
    Kew, I don't "despise" AP's. That's fiction. In fact, I've met wizard and he was a very decent person. I've met Jean Scott and she was every bit the gracious aging lady that others claim she is. I've trained quite a few claiming to be AP's on my strategy and have only met two assholes in the bunch. I talked with axel for 90 minutes and could have spent another 90 minutes sharing interesting life histories and gaming experience and knowledge with the guy. And I chatted with mickeycrimm for over an hour, and regardless of all past nonsense and insults both ways, I can honestly say that, although our lives are vastly different, it would have been very easy to have been a lifelong friend of his.

    Yeah you're still sore over the attacks. You can see redietz still is and if arci were here I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get over it either. Then we have the jbjb types, who even if I cared cancer he'd take exception to it just because it's ME. It's all relative though. Life goes on either way.

    I really wasn't aware AP's pound away at each other. I also don't consider myself a true AP. All I did was spend an ungodly amount of time trying to find a way to make a computer work against itself, which eventually turned into huge advantages. A WoV member suggested I contact Shack and discuss all this on some podcast or online audio or video show he has?? I don't know if I've burned my bridge with him or not. But I won't contact him even though I really do respect him. Everybody makes bad choices sometimes.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm shaking my head again over the odd things you say and the strange way you say them. Apparently there's a whole lotta things going thru your mind whenever I become a part of it. Here's a flash: I would not have posted this thread if I had not come across the article. And the part about you was simply to see if you truly understood the difference between right and wrong. You hold that double-standard which you just can't shake---if one of your imaginary online admirers had done what I've done, you'd say "way to find and make money from an advantage, my friend!" But when one of your adversaries who's been holding you close to the fire does so, you cry foul. And it looks like YOU'RE the uncomfortable one who can't come to terms over it kew. I'm at complete peace with my actions and now even more so because my entire family knows and accepts that I know I made the right choice.

    Get you're mind straight young man, and maybe someday you'll have enough life experience to sort things out better.
    Rob, who brought this up? And specifically mentioned me?

    As for you considering me your adversary. I took and still take offense at very nasty things you said about me, my partner and family. Other than that I have no issue with you, nor wish you any bad fortune or vibes.

    Ya know sometimes you draw a distinction between yourself and what you did and AP's and at other times, you seem to count yourself among the very same AP group that you say you despise. I don't know whether you are or aren't and don't care. But you definitely seem to have that same ego-based mentality of many AP's with the need to prove or convince that they are "better" than other AP's. Everything always becomes a pissing contest with AP's.

    I never understood what that is about. I don't feel I am competing with anyone, including other AP's, so I don't feel like I have adversaries other than those in the Casino industry (or supportive industries) that are trying to stop me. They are my only adversaries. But if you feel you need for adversaries to compete with and that you and I are adversaries...enjoy yourself.
    Kew, I don't "despise" AP's. That's fiction. In fact, I've met wizard and he was a very decent person. I've met Jean Scott and she was every bit the gracious aging lady that others claim she is. I've trained quite a few claiming to be AP's on my strategy and have only met two assholes in the bunch. I talked with axel for 90 minutes and could have spent another 90 minutes sharing interesting life histories and gaming experience and knowledge with the guy. And I chatted with mickeycrimm for over an hour, and regardless of all past nonsense and insults both ways, I can honestly say that, although our lives are vastly different, it would have been very easy to have been a lifelong friend of his.

    Yeah you're still sore over the attacks. You can see redietz still is and if arci were here I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get over it either. Then we have the jbjb types, who even if I cared cancer he'd take exception to it just because it's ME. It's all relative though. Life goes on either way.

    I really wasn't aware AP's pound away at each other. I also don't consider myself a true AP. All I did was spend an ungodly amount of time trying to find a way to make a computer work against itself, which eventually turned into huge advantages. A WoV member suggested I contact Shack and discuss all this on some podcast or online audio or video show he has?? I don't know if I've burned my bridge with him or not. But I won't contact him even though I really do respect him. Everybody makes bad choices sometimes.
    Hey, Argentino, your grandkids are going to be reading this stuff long after you're gone. On record, is it right or is it wrong to lie about somebody in public, to thousands of people? Is it more right or more wrong to lie about somebody when you gain nothing discernible by doing so? Is it right or wrong when you lie about somebody who has Old Testament attitudes regarding third and fourth generation retribution?

    Take your time, my friend. Your grandkids will be reading this someday.

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    [/QUOTE] Hey, Argentino, your grandkids are going to be reading this stuff long after you're gone. On record, is it right or is it wrong to lie about somebody in public, to thousands of people? Is it more right or more wrong to lie about somebody when you gain nothing discernible by doing so? Is it right or wrong when you lie about somebody who has Old Testament attitudes regarding third and fourth generation retribution?

    Take your time, my friend. Your grandkids will be reading this someday.[/QUOTE]

    Whatever discomfort you're experiencing, may I suggest closing your eyes for a few moments and taking a few deep breaths? The feeling will pass.

    Do you feel the same about all those who've posted lies about me? I know liberal-leaning people never really want to see both sides of the story when hypocrisy is involved.

    And regarding what I reported about you, if anything I'm embellishing, not lying. I received a call from one of you people trying to sell your picks, saying they worked for or with you. Then several texts came in immediately after I told the clown what I thought of the solicitation. The rest is history. There was no lying--that's what happened. If you have anything to say about that IN CASE YOUR GRANDCHILDREN SOMEHOW WATCH THE MOVIE SOMEDAY, here's your chance.

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