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Thread: Guidelines for AP play on Buffalo Diamond slots

  1. #41
    Originally Posted by LeonardShelby View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    It might be a play at numbers you won't find......lol
    I'll never play it. I've got the inside info. It's NOT A play!
    Care to share? Maybe PM Mickey or Pro if you don't want to post your reasons on here. Or you just trolling?
    I sent him a PM.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm getting a huge kick watching these guys getting their asses handed to them playing this game. Face the facts, it's NOT a play!
    I have a pretty good earn on the BD’s although every play is not a winning play. What numbers are you saying is not a play?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #43
    No answer to the PM. I'm calling BS.

  4. #44
    Given what is known about BD can you guys even theorize how it could possibly not be a play?

    It sounds like the guy "knows something" but obviously the game is a play at times.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    For those that AP these, what are your minimum starting numbers on the grid?
    Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.
    I'm always amazed at how far ahead of me you are Mickey. I match your 75... I'm 3 off on the 3x... That only took me 6 months.

  6. #46
    JBJB is a stand-up guy. The BDs he's been exposed to may not be a play, but I have no way to stop you guys from assuming whatever you're going to assume. As for me, I just use Mickey's numbers and they have worked out great. That is, at 75 cents (I'm a one-bit guy, I won't even play higher denoms than this unless I see something obscene, which hasn't happened yet), I use 42+ games for the 2x,103+ for the 3x and I don't even involve the 4x in my decision-making process. I have been a net winner using Mickey's numbers. I assume I'll pick up a wheel about every 130 spins (75 cent denom), and that I have about a 1/3 chance of picking up the 2x or 3x when I do get the wheel. I've caught the 4x before but I just think of it as gravy. If I see a lower number for the 2x and 3x like say 35 for the 2x and some mid-50s 3x, I might take that also. MC gives the value of the 2x and 3x games so it is easy to calculate the 2x/3x combo that makes it +EV.

  7. #47
    I like the Mickey method too.

  8. #48
    My mistake guys. Wrong game and thread. ignore my posts.

  9. #49
    Seriously though, you all need to shut your traps about these games. Casino personnel ARE reading those feeds. Also, you'll have Shackleford putting it out there for all to see.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Seriously though, you all need to shut your traps about these games. Casino personnel ARE reading those feeds. Also, you'll have Shackleford putting it out there for all to see.
    Speaking of which (casino personnel), here is a funny story. Hit a small Indian casino and vultured the bar top UXs. They had some 10s or better VP so I used that to earn the free play (low volatility,99.1% version). Had 8/5 ACE$ bonus poker also and I was playing it to churn earned free play (I guess I could have used 10s or better for that too). Next time I came in there, all three of those games were specifically gone (bar tops just had slots loaded, no more UX). Small burn joint surveillance has nothing better to do I guess.

  11. #51
    I love how some of you keep bringing up my free play flub from a few years ago that some stupid morons used on video roulette.

    Thart fact that I use any free play on games with player edges WELL OVER 100% instead of games where it's STILL -EV like video roulette, tells me otherwise!

    P.S. we've had our first +$1,000,000 yearly profit!!! You all have fun.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    we've had our first +$1,000,000 yearly profit!!!
    Spin us another yarn, douchebag.

    You didn't even know that casinos don't keep your initial wager when you win the bet...lmao

    Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse View Post
    My best advantage play in AC is at Harrahs Marina.. With my free play I go to video roulette with the single zero...
    Bet half red, half black... Cover single zero to ensure profit..
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    That's a horrible way to play it. Your getting less than half value every time.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Can you mathematically explain what you mean above?
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The way I look at it, he is taking $100 and putting $50 on red, $50 on black and some small amount on Zero to insure a return of just under 50%.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    What Alan just said.
    Originally Posted by Count Room View Post
    You are getting the ~98% return with the video roulette play. Say you have $100 freeplay. $50 on red, $50 on black. One will win giving you $50 back plus another $50. If the green number wins, your $3 on it will net you 35-1 for $105 or so.

    Pretty good idea. Saves the hassle of playing multiple BP hands.

    You'll almost ALWAYS get around $100 (or 100% of your freeplay) without significant risk of a string of lousy VP hands.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Might be a better idea if VP is excluded from FP. But VP is by far superior to anything else.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    What if you don't hit much on VP? You could brick some, most or all of your free play away.

    That can't happen with the 100 video roulette play, if you spread 48-48-4, then you are guaranteed either 96 or 140.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    No you aren't. Better check your math again. You'll profit 48 or 140. 36 out of 37 times, assuming a single zero wheel, you'll only get the 48.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    The machine pays the winning color 48, plus you keep the 48 you bet.

    It's like hitting 2-pair on VP.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    No. Outside bets pay even money.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Yes...but they don't take your winning bet away.

    You bet 48 on red, 48 on black, 4 on green.

    Red comes out...they take your 48 on black and 4 on green.

    You keep the 48 you bet on red, and they pay bet another 48.

    So you end up with 96.

    Just like table roulette...they cap your bet with the marker and pay it...they don't take the bet away.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I usually side with jbjb on stuff, but this isn't true. You put $0 into the machine, you download $100 in FP. Once you cycle through $100 in action, you cash out whatever is remaining on the credit meter. $48 red, $48 black, $4 green. At the end of the spin, you will have cycled through $100. You'll either have $96 (which is ALL profit, since you put $0 into machine), or else you'll have $140 if green hits ($140 in profit).

    1/37 * 140 = 140/37
    +
    36/37 * 96 = 96*36/37
    ==
    ((140/37) + (96*36/37)) = value of $100 in FP on roulette machine (using that method).
    ==
    $97.19
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    If they're giving you the original 48 back, then I agree. But they're not supposed to.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    I think jbjb has outed himself.

    He portrays himself as a fulltime AP pro, and as it turns out...he doesn't know jack shit.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Piss off. I've done this before so I know I'm right. Once I saw how I got ripped off, never again.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    There's two ways. Downloadable where you don't need cash or the kind that you need an initial seed money. What kind is he describing? The way I'm reading, it's the latter.

    The latter also returns your bet, the former doesn't.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    It's the same on both.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The downloadable type doesn't give your bet back. On vp, if you get two pair, you only get 2 credits minus the 1 that was bet for a net gain of only 1 credit. On the initial seed types, you get the 2 credits AND 1 for the initial bet for a net gain of 2 credits. It's not the same.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    This is all wrong too!

    You don't get 3 credits for 2 pair, it's 2 credits.

    Free play or otherwise...you bet 5, the 5 is gone....
    you hit 2 pair - you win 10. You don't get the original 5 back too.

    Unreal...wow you sure spent a lot of time building up a fake persona...what a mental patient.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm just not seeing how he's getting paid 2 TO 1 on even money bets. I guess I'd just have to watch.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    It pays 2-for-1. That's how every machine I've ever seen works (that I know of / remember). When you make a $5 bet, your credits immediately go down, even before your wager is resolved. Once it is resolved (if a winner) it pays 2.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Bet 10 on heads, 10 on tails, flip a coin, take the losing bet and pay the winner.

    You'll end up with 20 total...just like you started with.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I'm shocked I'm saying this, but, I agree with coach belly.
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Agreed, but the casino doesn't let you keep the initial bets, just the wins. You're +10
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    What game does the casino not let you to keep the initial bets on a winner?

  13. #53
    Fuck, another losing bet. Thought for sure you were dead.

    The AC King Plopp still lives.

  14. #54
    Shouldn’t you still be sucking UK Stages off for a shot at his group of ho’s he pays off with free play?

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Thought for sure you were dead.
    Me dead? Not me, I'm in my prime.

    Bozo the clown, a walking corpse. Like Axel, but not as tall.

    Look me up...cash me outside in AC, howbow dah?...you Jeremy Knechel brotherfucker.

    Until then, go back to sucking Tasha's clit.

  16. #56

  17. #57
    Quote Rob dickweed:

    "jbjb is a vct forum hack with a low-paying service job who tries to impress. He posts big vp hits he gets on multi-play nickel & dime machines yet he says he wins millions."

    Hey you stupid asshat, my money comes from table games. I haven't had a "job" in nearly 20 years. Why? Because we CRUSH the casinos! Now fuck off back to that ugly hillbilly of a whore with the dried up cunt you're married to.

    My last post on this retarded site.

  18. #58
    Make sure to delete ALL your posts.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by Prozema View Post
    My data is starting to look like higher bet levels are dropping the payback on the main reels. Not enough spins to make that a firm position, but that's what I'm thinking at the moment.
    I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet so forgive me if this has been addressed already, but you're on the right track...

    Spin Amount: 5 Buffalo Payout:

    75 300
    160 600
    250 900
    400 1200

    As you can see, the payouts do not increase proportionally with the bet amounts. Presumably, that extra dime, quarter, and dollar respectively is going to fund the increased (or guaranteed in the case of max bet) chances of hitting the 2x/3x/4x as you go up in bet size.

  20. #60
    Wow. Of all the people I've heard wonder about this (including me), nobody else bothered to just compare the listed pays at the different denominations.

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