Heard 2 aps at my home casino took a beating on a 250 4x that was 180. Lost over 4k
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555 = 111 + 4*111 = 15*37, or 37*15, as 153, and 7, or, 371, and 5. As 153 on 371, to 5/7 left, as 6 +/- 1.
3/21 to 8/22 is 153 + 1 days. 321 = 107*3 + 0; 123 = 3*71 + 0. To 1/0. 822 = (-1 + 7)(37 + 100); 228 = 57[6 - (1 + 1)], ---> 11411. 15[3^2] = 153 + (5 + 1). 154 days is ~ 42.08% of year 2020. 451 = 11*41^1.
Mickey, thanks for your feedback. You said that on the 75 level the base game is 64.2% and that the payback is high 80's, probably 87% payback. How does the base game become 64.2% instead of 87%?
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Thanks again Mickey. I understand this is your stats and not to take it as an absolute. I am in the process of making a chart, which I thought I had it figured out on the 75 level, however I keep coming up with a problem. When I multiply all the 2,3 4x's, do I add that to the 80-87%? If not, what number of percent do I add it to?
Thanks. I understand this is your stats and not to take it as an absolute. I have been in the process of making a chart to see what the green should be for a slight win, thought I had it figured out on the 75 level, however I keep coming up with a problem. When I multiply all the 2,3 4x's, do I add that to the 80-87%? If not, what percentage do I add it to? Also, you posted the hit frequency for the $4 at 126. Do you know the hit frequency for the 75, 1.60 and 2.50?
They have this game in casinos where local law there requires at least 87% on each machine.
Could it be higher? Doubt it in my market. I think most penny machines at my main casino are 87% based on what I have seen.
What is the hit frequency of the 75, 1.60 and 2.50?
@mickeycrimm : Thanks the detail Analysis of BD at various bet levels. This is very helpful. Earlier in a thread you mentioned a meter rate of 5% while focusing on hitting 3X for $1.60 bet level. Is there a meter rate associated w $4.00 bet level ? Could you detail how you determine meter rate and how does that factor in for calculating EV if I want to focus hitting 2x or 3X?
The components that make up the total return on a spin banking game is 1) the return from the reels, 2) the return from the banked spins, and 3) the meter speed.
1. The return from the reels (aka the main game) is calculated by subtracting the amount lost divided by the coin in from 1.
Example: You took 100 $1 spins and lost $20. That's 1-(20/100) = .8 That's an 80% return to player.
2. The return from the banked spins is calculated by dividing the value of the event by the frequency of the event.
Example: For buffalo diamond let's say you trigger the wheel every 123 spins and it lands on the 2x 23.7% of the time. 123/.237 = 520 spins to hit the 2x. That's the frequency. If a 2x spin pays 3.6 bets per banked spin that means each banked spin is worth about 0.69% (3.6/520). To get the total banked you would multiply 0.69% by the total number banked.
3. The meter speed is value you realize from the rise of the meters while you are playing the game. i.e. if you sit down and the 2x is at 50 and you expect to take 520 spins before it hits, it's unlikely that you will hit it at 50. You calculate the meter speed by taking the value of the event and dividing it by the frequency of the event that will increment the meter.
Example: In Buffalo Diamond collecting a diamond in reel 5 increments the meter. Let's say that lands every 61 spins. 3.6 / 61 = 5.9%
It's important to remember not to double count things. Example: In #1 you need to subtract out any bonuses you hit to get the coin in for the main game.
If you decide to chase a 2x, you will realize the full value of the 2x meter speed. You will also realize some small portion of the value of the 3x and 4x meter speed.
If you are going to chase a 3x, you will realize the full value of the 3x meter speed. You will also realize some portion of the value of the 2x and 4x meter speed. The 2x will be a large portion and the 4x will be a relatively small portion.
If you decide to chase a 4x (God help you) you will realize the full value of the 4x meter speed. You will also realize some portion of the value of the 2x and 3x meter speed.The 2x will be a large portion and the 3x will be a relatively small portion.
On the off chance your next question is going to be about handling meter speed value on combination plays where the value is spread across multiple meters you would compare the relative frequency of each event occurring and distribute the meter speed accordingly.
Example. If the 2x hits every 520 spins and the 3x hits every 2080 spins you are going to hit 1 3x for every 4 2x... 5 events total. 1/5 = 20% of the 3x meter speed and 4/5 = 80% of the 2x meter speed.
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