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  1. #21
    The max coin is my favorite option

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The max coin is my favorite option
    Feel free to post something useful.

    Here is what I have:

    2.50: 1400 spins.
    Spins per wheel: 152.44
    Diamonds Collected:
    2x - 62 spins
    3x - 105
    4x - 196
    Wheel weights:
    1x: 56%
    2x: 33%
    3x: 11%
    4x: 0%
    Drop: 48.4% (including 1x)
    Bonus Value:
    2x - 134 spins / $1,275
    3x - 202 / 2439
    4x - 29 / 750

    I've not put my 4x data together yet. I was pissed and bought beer. I'll post it later.

  3. #23
    Post something useful Zema and give us some playable starting points.

    Really enjoy your twitter, work with that and add content to it daily if you could.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Post something useful Zema and give us some playable starting points.

    Really enjoy your twitter, work with that and add content to it daily if you could.
    Who are you on Twitter?

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Prozema View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The max coin is my favorite option
    Feel free to post something useful.

    Here is what I have:

    2.50: 1400 spins.
    Spins per wheel: 152.44
    Diamonds Collected:
    2x - 62 spins
    3x - 105
    4x - 196
    Wheel weights:
    1x: 56%
    2x: 33%
    3x: 11%
    4x: 0%
    Drop: 48.4% (including 1x)
    Bonus Value:
    2x - 134 spins / $1,275
    3x - 202 / 2439
    4x - 29 / 750

    I've not put my 4x data together yet. I was pissed and bought beer. I'll post it later.
    I've had just one 250 play and it was on the 3X.

    1409 spins
    Base Game + 1X returned 1041 units
    RTP = 73.88%

    Caught the wheel 11 times, freq. 128.1
    1X = 6
    2X = 4
    3X = 1
    4X = 0

    At 2X did 69 spins that returned 429 bets
    At 3X did 92 spins that returned 254 bets
    Keystone is a mental midget.

  6. #26
    If we could put your base reels together with my 3x we would have had a play. Of course if frogs had wings...

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    4X 56 X .008 = 4.48%
    3X 48 X .002 = 9.6%
    2X 34 X .0059 = 20.06%
    .
    Looks like you're missing a 0 in the 4x calc.

    Have you figured out how to adjust the calc for the 400 level, where you're getting a multiplier on every spin?

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    4X 56 X .008 = 4.48%
    3X 48 X .002 = 9.6%
    2X 34 X .0059 = 20.06%
    .
    Looks like you're missing a 0 in the 4x calc.

    Have you figured out how to adjust the calc for the 400 level, where you're getting a multiplier on every spin?
    Yep, you're right. I left out a zero. It should be .0008. I don't have a stat base for the 400 level so can't comment. No one plays the 400 level in the casinos I hit.
    Keystone is a mental midget.

  9. #29
    Still no playable numbers from the stat men

  10. #30
    darkstar
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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    For those that AP these, what are your minimum starting numbers on the grid?
    Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.
    I was playing for the 3X at the 2.40 bet level and hit 4X twice long before hitting the 3X. Does that seem abnormal to you guys?

    I have had success at much lower numbers than you, Mickey. I am sure that I have just had good variance but feeling like I couldn't lose I chased the 3X when it was less than ideal. By the time it hit it was at 120 and, of course I got a few more free spins. However, I still ended up with less than $1,000 for the free spins at the 2.40 level. I hope that was unusually low. Any info is appreciated.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by darkstar View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    For those that AP these, what are your minimum starting numbers on the grid?
    Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.
    I was playing for the 3X at the 2.40 bet level and hit 4X twice long before hitting the 3X. Does that seem abnormal to you guys?

    I have had success at much lower numbers than you, Mickey. I am sure that I have just had good variance but feeling like I couldn't lose I chased the 3X when it was less than ideal. By the time it hit it was at 120 and, of course I got a few more free spins. However, I still ended up with less than $1,000 for the free spins at the 2.40 level. I hope that was unusually low. Any info is appreciated.
    Each bet level is it's own animal. My working theory is the wheel freq. is the same on every bet level but the frequencies for catching the 2X, 3X, 4X is shorter the higher the bet level and the value of a free spin is lower the higher the bet level.

    I'm currently not doing much work on BD because I rarely get a playable number on them.
    Keystone is a mental midget.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Still no playable numbers from the stat men
    I gave you the formula for the 75 level. If you are to lazy to use it not my fault. Don't have a big enough stat base to draw any hard conclusions on the higher bet levels.
    Keystone is a mental midget.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by darkstar View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    For those that AP these, what are your minimum starting numbers on the grid?
    Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.
    I was playing for the 3X at the 2.40 bet level and hit 4X twice long before hitting the 3X. Does that seem abnormal to you guys?

    I have had success at much lower numbers than you, Mickey. I am sure that I have just had good variance but feeling like I couldn't lose I chased the 3X when it was less than ideal. By the time it hit it was at 120 and, of course I got a few more free spins. However, I still ended up with less than $1,000 for the free spins at the 2.40 level. I hope that was unusually low. Any info is appreciated.
    I chased a 3x at that level. I wrote down $2.50 but maybe it was $2.40? I hit the pink/purple twice before the blue (middle one). Did 3,899 spins. Right before I hit the bonus round I was down $3,117. Blue meter went up by 40 from start to finish. Not including the retrigger spins, the bonus paid $13.83 per spin.

    I don’t remember either way if I hit anything extra good or felt like I ran bad during the bonus round.
    #FreeTyde

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by darkstar View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.
    I was playing for the 3X at the 2.40 bet level and hit 4X twice long before hitting the 3X. Does that seem abnormal to you guys?

    I have had success at much lower numbers than you, Mickey. I am sure that I have just had good variance but feeling like I couldn't lose I chased the 3X when it was less than ideal. By the time it hit it was at 120 and, of course I got a few more free spins. However, I still ended up with less than $1,000 for the free spins at the 2.40 level. I hope that was unusually low. Any info is appreciated.
    I chased a 3x at that level. I wrote down $2.50 but maybe it was $2.40? I hit the pink/purple twice before the blue (middle one). Did 3,899 spins. Right before I hit the bonus round I was down $3,117. Blue meter went up by 40 from start to finish. Not including the retrigger spins, the bonus paid $13.83 per spin.

    I don’t remember either way if I hit anything extra good or felt like I ran bad during the bonus round.

    Where?

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