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    Playwithanedge1 found a whack paytable (I saw it on his twitter account) and made it pay off big. I can see why he was betting $450 a hand here (I'm assuming this was KoBJP and that the lower hands on the paytable are normal for Kings or Better Joker Poker). I can only wonder if this was a case where the 5oak jumped to its astronomical value at 15 coins bet (a gaffe) and then returned to normal proportions with less or more coins bet or if it was proportional for all coins bet. If the former, then what a needle in a haystack find and kudos to the effort involved (even if the 5oak is proportional its still a great find) in finding it since it involved a massive search.
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    Not unusual. You can find many JP game where the 5 oak pays like a royal but the natural royal is diminished to 500 credits per 5 coin bet.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Not unusual. You can find many JP game where the 5 oak pays like a royal but the natural royal is diminished to 500 credits per 5 coin bet.
    Thanks. So, then, there may be something going on in the lower part of the paytable given the bet size involved. Royal Aces has the lowest 800 to 1 cycle I've encountered since quad aces with no kicker gives you your money back plus 799 coins for each coin bet and I've seen 100-hand Royal Aces bonus. If it's all about frequent access to 800 coin payouts (but maybe that casino had this jackpot as the highest 800 coin payout that is more frequent than TDB and TDB quick quads) - then that would be the game of choice IMHO.
    Last edited by tableplay; 07-06-2019 at 12:11 PM.

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    Definitely need to see the full pay table on the above JP game to make a determination. I'll try to get a picture of one of these 4000 coin quint games tomorrow.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Definitely need to see the full pay table on the above JP game to make a determination. I'll try to get a picture of one of these 4000 coin quint games tomorrow.
    Cool JBJB, thanks.

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    The game PWAE was playing is called Atlantic City Jokers - This payscale used to be all over AC in progressive form with strong meter movement. It was the main advantage video poker play in AC for years.
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    Here's a larger picture.
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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's a larger picture.
    Thanks Mickey.

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    It’s me. There is much more to it then just the oayrable. I’ll remain quiet on the rest

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's a larger picture.
    The payscale in the pic is 97%. There was also a version where the 5K paid 1000 for 1 which was 99%. The freq. on the 5 of a Kind is 11,000. So with a meter it could quickly go positive. There used to be all kinds of scuttlebutt about it on vpFREE. It's been years tho so I don't know if the progressive game still exists.
    Luck is probability taken personally.

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Here's a larger picture.
    The payscale in the pic is 97%. There was also a version where the 5K paid 1000 for 1 which was 99%. The freq. on the 5 of a Kind is 11,000. So with a meter it could quickly go positive. There used to be all kinds of scuttlebutt about it on vpFREE. It's been years tho so I don't know if the progressive game still exists.
    Thanks. Also, I remember hearing that 5 joker poker was something around in AC but rare or very uncommon elswhere back in the day, and it too could be played at an advantage with the progressive (I'm guessing the discard strategy was pretty tricky).

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Definitely need to see the full pay table on the above JP game to make a determination. I'll try to get a picture of one of these 4000 coin quint games tomorrow.
    Ok it took me longer than a day. But here is this game on the machines. They only come in 25 cent, 50 cent and $1 denominations.





    Notice that quarter and 50 cent are the same (2 pair or better, 4000 for 5 oak) but $1 goes to Kings or better with the 4700 for a natural royal.


    Didn't even notice until now....but it looks like the double up feature is on there too.
    Last edited by jbjb; 07-25-2019 at 09:14 AM.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Definitely need to see the full pay table on the above JP game to make a determination. I'll try to get a picture of one of these 4000 coin quint games tomorrow.
    Ok it took me longer than a day. But here is this game on the machines. They only come in 25 cent, 50 cent and $1 denominations.





    Notice that quarter and 50 cent are the same (2 pair or better, 4000 for 5 oak) but $1 goes to Kings or better with the 4700 for a natural royal.


    Didn't even notice until now....but it looks like the double up feature is on there too.
    Thanks JBJB. It looks like the $1 denom does not have the 4000 coin payoff for the 5ofaK (standard 98.44% Kob Joker Poker).
    The 25c and 50c come in at about 97.2% payback. I speculate that the 1 in 10,944 hand cycle for the 5K combined with 3 hands played per deal/draw was the fastest way to the payoff (800 coins returned per 1 coin bet) compared to the other games offered (probably the other game choices had ~40000 hand cycles) and that this was desirable for some promo. For example (on a much smaller scale) a casino was offering $20 in free play if you hit a $20 jackpot, so I used OEJ to exploit the promo since the 4oak occurs 1 in every 50 hands for this theme (bet 3 coins at 50 cent denom even though short coin hurts the royal). So I am guessing that a similar promo was run but much larger scale in terms of free play awarded for the jackpot and the size of the jackpot required to get it.

    The "fun" part is the whack optimal strategy for two-pair Joker Poker. Love holding a lone low card like a 4 of clubs or a two card suited connector, LOL.

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    On these 2 pair games like above, I wonder how many people dump the 2 pair or full house and just keep one pair or 3oak respectively, going for the quints.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    On these 2 pair games like above, I wonder how many people dump the 2 pair or full house and just keep one pair or 3oak respectively, going for the quints.
    Ditto.

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