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[The Boz]

You want to discuss something AP wise, here I have something. It probably belongs in the WoV thread but I am going to stick it right here.

A couple - 3 years, before covid so maybe 3 years, my brother and I were playing a side bet blackjack game in Colorado that someone had shared with us. They were allowing players to place a side bet up to the amount of their regular bet, which when placed at the right strategic times, made the game very profitable. So after a couple weeks of camping out in crappy motels in Colorado and more and more AP's joining the hit parade, Shackleford revealed the play at WoV and how to beat it, complete with all the math, the way he does. Within like 2 days the sidebet limits were reduced to 25% of your main bet, which all but erased the profit margin. It was just barely +EV. I left, my brother stayed for another few days.

I was pretty pissed at Shackleford, but didn't make a big deal of it. He has done this type of thing before. Well this week he did the exact same thing. I had just got wind of this play and my brother and I were discussing if we wanted to spend some time in Colorado when, Shackleford revealed the play and all the math....again! While it didn't effect me this time as far as yanking a play out from under us, I bet it effected some playing. Why does he do this shit? and why does he get a pass from the AP community?

Take a few seconds to think about it, and the answer presents itself. When people do this stuff (as Stanford Wong did with teaser ranges most professionals knew about, but the public did not), it's for a variation of one of the following reasons:

1) They get more value out of the exposing of the play than not exposing it. That value can be non-material value, such as reputation, vanity, more views, or it can be directly material as in garnering side contracts with casinos as a consultant.

2) They treat the entire AP game as some competition they want to "win." If they aren't exploiting a play and other people are, they expose it.

3) They lack the funding to directly exploit various plays, although they are aware of them. A combination of reputation-seeking, vanity, and treating other APs as competition leads them to expose the plays.

4) They may have funding, but they lack the psychological makeup, discipline, and possibly physical abilities to handle certain plays effectively. Or overall they are actually failed APs because they have the Fred Flintstone degenerate gambling thing going on. So they act as if they are APs in a sense, but they know they really are not, and they expose the plays.


I mean, really, do you see Michael Shackleford as an effective AP doing almost anything? That Burning Man style of persona is usually going to get you squashed in the long run. If you don't have some streetwise sixth sense, you're going to go down no matter your math skills.

When I explained to Shack that one needs a contingency plan, per the small chance, for defending oneself when out in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses....he took riding a freight train off his bucket list.

He is definitely the “yuppie” (is that still a word) type Hippie. The Burning man today is nothing like the old days and is filled with corporate types on team building exercises. Sure some of the old burners still go but a little research shows most abandoned it years ago due to the new crowd and the high prices.

He is basically afraid of his own shadow and acts like he is some “celebrity” or he realizes he made a lot of enemies over the years. Every single get together he has never has the location publicly released. Sure there are crazies out there but I don’t believe there is anyone looking to find him.

Look how upset he got at you when you made an off handed joke about capping him. Who knows what else he did and who he contacted other than banning you from the site.

Fearful little man who has no problem fucking with others livelihoods for his own self interests. Yet is stupid (or smart financially) enough to sign a NDA from someone he barely knew to cover for that individuals lies over the years. So for a few, or a lot of bucks or other “perks” gave up his claimed journalistic integrity toward the character as MDawg.

Definitely a strange one, but they say many geniuses are.

[monet]

Pretty good Rogan episode Monet with first time guest guitar virtuoso and former Metallica member Dave Mustaine - please disregard this post if you have already listened to this podcast (excerpt below)

Thanks!
I wasn't going to listen to this because I have no interest in Metallica or Megadeath.
I listened to the first 30 minutes and so far so good to my surprise.
If they get into something I don't want to listen to I will just fast forward.
I've been doing that a lot lately with Rogan's podcast.
Skimming my way through.
Ever since he decided to apologize for saying Nigger he has gone downhill.
Mostly talking to hack comedians and the conversation has been pretty dull IMO.
And he is starting to lose touch with the common man.
This seems to be a common theme to Shock or Talk Radio and or Talk Show Hosts in general.
Anyways, thanks for the reco!

[redietz]

You want to discuss something AP wise, here I have something. It probably belongs in the WoV thread but I am going to stick it right here.

A couple - 3 years, before covid so maybe 3 years, my brother and I were playing a side bet blackjack game in Colorado that someone had shared with us. They were allowing players to place a side bet up to the amount of their regular bet, which when placed at the right strategic times, made the game very profitable. So after a couple weeks of camping out in crappy motels in Colorado and more and more AP's joining the hit parade, Shackleford revealed the play at WoV and how to beat it, complete with all the math, the way he does. Within like 2 days the sidebet limits were reduced to 25% of your main bet, which all but erased the profit margin. It was just barely +EV. I left, my brother stayed for another few days.

I was pretty pissed at Shackleford, but didn't make a big deal of it. He has done this type of thing before. Well this week he did the exact same thing. I had just got wind of this play and my brother and I were discussing if we wanted to spend some time in Colorado when, Shackleford revealed the play and all the math....again! While it didn't effect me this time as far as yanking a play out from under us, I bet it effected some playing. Why does he do this shit? and why does he get a pass from the AP community?

Take a few seconds to think about it, and the answer presents itself. When people do this stuff (as Stanford Wong did with teaser ranges most professionals knew about, but the public did not), it's for a variation of one of the following reasons:

1) They get more value out of the exposing of the play than not exposing it. That value can be non-material value, such as reputation, vanity, more views, or it can be directly material as in garnering side contracts with casinos as a consultant.

2) They treat the entire AP game as some competition they want to "win." If they aren't exploiting a play and other people are, they expose it.

3) They lack the funding to directly exploit various plays, although they are aware of them. A combination of reputation-seeking, vanity, and treating other APs as competition leads them to expose the plays.

4) They may have funding, but they lack the psychological makeup, discipline, and possibly physical abilities to handle certain plays effectively. Or overall they are actually failed APs because they have the Fred Flintstone degenerate gambling thing going on. So they act as if they are APs in a sense, but they know they really are not, and they expose the plays.


I mean, really, do you see Michael Shackleford as an effective AP doing almost anything? That Burning Man style of persona is usually going to get you squashed in the long run. If you don't have some streetwise sixth sense, you're going to go down no matter your math skills.

When I explained to Shack that one needs a contingency plan, per the small chance, for defending oneself when out in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses....he took riding a freight train off his bucket list.

This is actually pretty funny. If somebody asked about my contingency, I'd flip open my jacket and ask, "Pepper spray, taser, shuriken or switchblade?" (Note: I own guns, but not handguns).

Back in my youth, I occasionally wore a shuriken as a belt buckle. But you really don't want to trip and fall and get an unnecessary circumcision.

[kewlJ]

Remember the promotion at The Plaza that Shack outed the day the promotion was to begin (or maybe the day before). He posted not only exactly how to beat the promotion, but exactly what it was worth and hour if you did. Well, when the promo started the higher denom machines had been excluded from the promotion and even with the lower denom machines the entire promotion was shutdown early. Shackleford even commented that he was out of town or something and wouldn't be able to play that promotion, so he ruined it for others.

I don't understand why he gets a pass on this shit? When I called attention to the CSM at EC and those machines which a team of AP's were playing were removed, I caught shit. And that was an honest mistake. I was only bringing attention to the cheating, unaware that it was APable and calling attention would end that play. I mean this guy basically says, if I can't do it, no one can and no one says anything.

Shackleford IS freaking Sheldon from the big bang show. Book smart, but common-sense stupid. From now on he should be known as Shacky-Sheldon.

[kewlJ]

So for a few, or a lot of bucks or other “perks” gave up his claimed journalistic integrity toward the character as MDawg.

It isn't about "journalist integrity". Shackleford isn't a journalist. And it isn't about "free speech" as he sometimes claims. It is about the math....the very math that Shackleford made his name (and money) promoting. He has turned his back on that math and allows this fraud to make a mockery of the math, the forum and Shackleford himself. "Sellout" isn't even the word for it. The word is betrayal or treason.

I would accept the free speech argument if he allowed other members, real players and math guys to legitimately challenge this BS. At least that would be a form of self-policing in the community. But when he shuts down all challenges and protects this guy, even suspending like 20 members, including anyone who uttered a simply "I don't believe him", then Shackleford himself becomes a part of this fraud BS claim.

[mcap]

Who occupies more real estate in your brain Kewlj: Shack, Singer, or mdog?

[kewlJ]

Who occupies more real estate in your brain Kewlj: Shack, Singer, or mdog?

Oh, I am the bad guy hun? The math is the math dude.

Two of these guys use alternative phony math for self aggrandizing purposes, while the other now denies the very math that made him his money out of selfishness.

I have a right to call all 3 out. If you want to stay silent....stay silent. I won't!

[tableplay]

Pretty good Rogan episode Monet with first time guest guitar virtuoso and former Metallica member Dave Mustaine - please disregard this post if you have already listened to this podcast (excerpt below)

Thanks!
I wasn't going to listen to this because I have no interest in Metallica or Megadeath.
I listened to the first 30 minutes and so far so good to my surprise.
If they get into something I don't want to listen to I will just fast forward.
I've been doing that a lot lately with Rogan's podcast.
Skimming my way through.
Ever since he decided to apologize for saying Nigger he has gone downhill.
Mostly talking to hack comedians and the conversation has been pretty dull IMO.
And he is starting to lose touch with the common man.
This seems to be a common theme to Shock or Talk Radio and or Talk Show Hosts in general.
Anyways, thanks for the reco!

No problem Monet, I'm glad you are enjoying it. I'm not a heavy metal fan, but Dave seems like a smart and highly focused motivated guy and I have enjoyed his interviews over the years - so I decided to listen to this podcast. Anyway, I agree with you about Rogan - guests like Dave Mustaine don't appear that frequently anymore and the show is now past its zenith.

[monet]

No problem Monet, I'm glad you are enjoying it. I'm not a heavy metal fan, but Dave seems like a smart and highly focused motivated guy and I have enjoyed his interviews over the years - so I decided to listen to this podcast. Anyway, I agree with you about Rogan - guests like Dave Mustaine don't appear that frequently anymore and the show is now past its zenith.

lol after saying all that he goes and uploads #1863 Mark Zuckerberg.
I doubt that he will challenge him on any issues though.
I'm predicting a very complimentary and softball 3 hour podcast.
It's very rare that Joe challenges any of his guests.
He usually just bashes them a bit and never invites them back.
Eric Weinstein seems like a good example of that after the JamiePullThatUp fiasco.

They started right into the new Oculus which I never understood the name.
Seems like a nod to the Occult.
I have crossed over into being an Old Man now as I have no interest in VR or Automation.
I would of thought Rogan would bash him about the Metaverse since he has constantly made fun of it.
Perhaps Joe has changed his opinion on that topic though as it seems like he is coming around.

Maybe the joke is on me as it isn't even called Oculus anymore from what I just read.
Perhaps Joe called it that intentionally as a knock?
I dunno... Mark didn't correct him on it so I guess it wasn't a big deal.
It's all over my head anyway.

[mcap]

Who occupies more real estate in your brain Kewlj: Shack, Singer, or mdog?

Oh, I am the bad guy hun?
…..
If you want to stay silent....stay silent. I won't!

Unkewl bro….

Anyways, lol @ making it sound like some blm nonsense.

[tableplay]

No problem Monet, I'm glad you are enjoying it. I'm not a heavy metal fan, but Dave seems like a smart and highly focused motivated guy and I have enjoyed his interviews over the years - so I decided to listen to this podcast. Anyway, I agree with you about Rogan - guests like Dave Mustaine don't appear that frequently anymore and the show is now past its zenith.

lol after saying all that he goes and uploads #1863 Mark Zuckerberg.
I doubt that he will challenge him on any issues though.
I'm predicting a very complimentary and softball 3 hour podcast.
It's very rare that Joe challenges any of his guests.
He usually just bashes them a bit and never invites them back.
Eric Weinstein seems like a good example of that after the JamiePullThatUp fiasco.

They started right into the new Oculus which I never understood the name.
Seems like a nod to the Occult.
I have crossed over into being an Old Man now as I have no interest in VR or Automation.
I would of thought Rogan would bash him about the Metaverse since he has constantly made fun of it.
Perhaps Joe has changed his opinion on that topic though as it seems like he is coming around.

Maybe the joke is on me as it isn't even called Oculus anymore from what I just read.
Perhaps Joe called it that intentionally as a knock?
I dunno... Mark didn't correct him on it so I guess it wasn't a big deal.
It's all over my head anyway.

Thanks for letting me know Monet. I am going to listen to the Zuckerberg podcast, and I think it is likely that the main entertainment value will be exactly as you describe - the degree to which he plays softball and patronizes this lunkhead (who made his fortune stealing the social media concept from his college acquaintances the Winklevoss Twins - he made Billions and only had to pay the twins 65 million to settle for the theft of their idea).

[AxelWolf]

Every single get together he has never has the location publicly released.

I don't want to rain on your parade Boz, but he actually started doing that at the request of Advantage Players who wanted to attend.

[The Boz]

Every single get together he has never has the location publicly released.

I don't want to rain on your parade Boz, but he actually started doing that at the request of Advantage Players who wanted to attend.

And that makes total sense. I stand corrected…..on that part.

[Ozzy]

Who occupies more real estate in your brain Kewlj: Shack, Singer, or mdog?

Oh, I am the bad guy hun?
…..
If you want to stay silent....stay silent. I won't!

UNKOOL bro….

Anyways, lol @ making it sound like some blm nonsense.

He's very UNKOOL and will remain so, till the end of time. Nothing can ever make him cool whatsoever !

[mickeycrimm]

Take a few seconds to think about it, and the answer presents itself. When people do this stuff (as Stanford Wong did with teaser ranges most professionals knew about, but the public did not), it's for a variation of one of the following reasons:

1) They get more value out of the exposing of the play than not exposing it. That value can be non-material value, such as reputation, vanity, more views, or it can be directly material as in garnering side contracts with casinos as a consultant.

2) They treat the entire AP game as some competition they want to "win." If they aren't exploiting a play and other people are, they expose it.

3) They lack the funding to directly exploit various plays, although they are aware of them. A combination of reputation-seeking, vanity, and treating other APs as competition leads them to expose the plays.

4) They may have funding, but they lack the psychological makeup, discipline, and possibly physical abilities to handle certain plays effectively. Or overall they are actually failed APs because they have the Fred Flintstone degenerate gambling thing going on. So they act as if they are APs in a sense, but they know they really are not, and they expose the plays.


I mean, really, do you see Michael Shackleford as an effective AP doing almost anything? That Burning Man style of persona is usually going to get you squashed in the long run. If you don't have some streetwise sixth sense, you're going to go down no matter your math skills.

When I explained to Shack that one needs a contingency plan, per the small chance, for defending oneself when out in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses....he took riding a freight train off his bucket list.

This is actually pretty funny. If somebody asked about my contingency, I'd flip open my jacket and ask, "Pepper spray, taser, shuriken or switchblade?" (Note: I own guns, but not handguns).

Back in my youth, I occasionally wore a shuriken as a belt buckle. But you really don't want to trip and fall and get an unnecessary circumcision.

You are showing your ignorance. Rail riders get jacked up by the cops all the time. You don't want to get caught with a gun or knife. A ball peen hammer works pretty good for close combat....and the cops have a hard time construing it as a weapon.

[redietz]

When I explained to Shack that one needs a contingency plan, per the small chance, for defending oneself when out in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses....he took riding a freight train off his bucket list.

This is actually pretty funny. If somebody asked about my contingency, I'd flip open my jacket and ask, "Pepper spray, taser, shuriken or switchblade?" (Note: I own guns, but not handguns).

Back in my youth, I occasionally wore a shuriken as a belt buckle. But you really don't want to trip and fall and get an unnecessary circumcision.

You are showing your ignorance. Rail riders get jacked up by the cops all the time. You don't want to get caught with a gun or knife. A ball peen hammer works pretty good for close combat....and the cops have a hard time construing it as a weapon.

Mickey, my ignorance may runneth over, but you're showing your ignorance of the nuances. Nothing illegal about pepper spray and tasers. And shurikens, as I said, make fine belt buckles. As to knives, while CARRYING a switchblade is illegal in most jurisdictions, COLLECTING switchblades is legal. You just need a nice case and certificates of authenticity.

[monet]

Thanks for letting me know Monet. I am going to listen to the Zuckerberg podcast, and I think it is likely that the main entertainment value will be exactly as you describe - the degree to which he plays softball and patronizes this lunkhead (who made his fortune stealing the social media concept from his college acquaintances the Winklevoss Twins - he made Billions and only had to pay the twins 65 million to settle for the theft of their idea).

Yeah and he had to pay his pal a bunch of dough too for trying to dissolve his stock position in the company.
But this is nothing new.
These guys are always figuring a legal way to steal.
I said it before and I say it again... Lie, Cheat and Steal is the way of life in this world.

Anyways, I couldn't believe how soft Rogan was on Zuck.
I found most of the conversation mundane and boring.
And I sensed some lying from Mark.
But Rogan heard our complaints and came back to form in todays podcast.
It's pretty darn good and it pretty much proves what we knew all along.
The Vaccines are not safe and effective.
Emphasis on NOT SAFE and NOT EFFECTIVE.
Congrats on this guy beating Twatter in Court.
#1864 Alex Berenson

[mickeycrimm]

This is actually pretty funny. If somebody asked about my contingency, I'd flip open my jacket and ask, "Pepper spray, taser, shuriken or switchblade?" (Note: I own guns, but not handguns).

Back in my youth, I occasionally wore a shuriken as a belt buckle. But you really don't want to trip and fall and get an unnecessary circumcision.

You are showing your ignorance. Rail riders get jacked up by the cops all the time. You don't want to get caught with a gun or knife. A ball peen hammer works pretty good for close combat....and the cops have a hard time construing it as a weapon.

Mickey, my ignorance may runneth over, but you're showing your ignorance of the nuances. Nothing illegal about pepper spray and tasers. And shurikens, as I said, make fine belt buckles. As to knives, while CARRYING a switchblade is illegal in most jurisdictions, COLLECTING switchblades is legal. You just need a nice case and certificates of authenticity.

I'm happy for ya.

[tableplay]

Thanks for letting me know Monet. I am going to listen to the Zuckerberg podcast, and I think it is likely that the main entertainment value will be exactly as you describe - the degree to which he plays softball and patronizes this lunkhead (who made his fortune stealing the social media concept from his college acquaintances the Winklevoss Twins - he made Billions and only had to pay the twins 65 million to settle for the theft of their idea).

Yeah and he had to pay his pal a bunch of dough too for trying to dissolve his stock position in the company.
But this is nothing new.
These guys are always figuring a legal way to steal.
I said it before and I say it again... Lie, Cheat and Steal is the way of life in this world.

Anyways, I couldn't believe how soft Rogan was on Zuck.
I found most of the conversation mundane and boring.
And I sensed some lying from Mark.
But Rogan heard our complaints and came back to form in todays podcast.
It's pretty darn good and it pretty much proves what we knew all along.
The Vaccines are not safe and effective.
Emphasis on NOT SAFE and NOT EFFECTIVE.
Congrats on this guy beating Twatter in Court.
#1864 Alex Berenson

I agree about the Zuckerberg podcast. It came off mostly as a promotion for his virtual reality/augmented reality products. Thanks for the Berenson reco I will listen to it (and kudos to tennis star Novak Djokovic - who is very wisely not getting the covid "vaccine" even though he will not be allowed to play in the US open and probably other major tennis tournaments as well).

I would like to recommend to you the documentary Running with the Devil: The Wild World of John McAfee (2022) which is about the wild and crazy mother fucker John McAfee.

[monet]

I agree about the Zuckerberg podcast. It came off mostly as a promotion for his virtual reality/augmented reality products. Thanks for the Berenson reco I will listen to it (and kudos to tennis star Novak Djokovic - who is very wisely not getting the covid "vaccine" even though he will not be allowed to play in the US open and probably other major tennis tournaments as well).

I would like to recommend to you the documentary Running with the Devil: The Wild World of John McAfee (2022) which is about the wild and crazy mother fucker John McAfee.

Thanks for the McAfee Reco.
Thankfully most of the Rogan/Berenson Podcast was a conversation about Covid.
This is not my statement but it seems accurate...
"Alex Berenson is great on Covid but he shows his blind spot when dealing with the rights of other people with dissident views."