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  1. #201
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Ok, so back to this downtown GRAND thing. Is this play now over and dead?

    Also something I have been meaning to bring up. It was speculated in this thread that DT Grand might be on the sale block and the purpose of this "action" might have been to artificially inflate player and coin-in numbers to woo a perspective buyer.

    Not mentioned was the rather extensive expansion that is underway at DT Grand. That kind of expense (doubling of rooms for a place that is always dead), seems to not make sense, and isn't the kind of investment that is recouped short-term....like a pending sale.

    Any thoughts?
    It was simply a slot director that didn't realize the machines had a positive setting.

  2. #202
    Eddie G. rumored to be the biggest winner overall on the play.

    Krackman had an article in Gaming Today where he mentioned he spoke to nobody that lost on the play.

  3. #203
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Eddie G. rumored to be the biggest winner overall on the play.

    Krackman had an article in Gaming Today where he mentioned he spoke to nobody that lost on the play.
    Odd. Nobody but someone with a computer readout knows who was the biggest winner from that play. Gambling rumors are like fishermen rumors.

    Whoever "Krackman" is....you could line up a thousand players who played that and come up with 998 who claimed to have won. More than likely, he asked people who came back and said "I was playing a $180/hour play" or something similar.

    We need a JOURNALIST to go into DTG and ask them to show the real outcome and then write about it--not just repeat hearsay, rumors, or supposition. Where is the Anthony Curtis crowd? And GT hasn't had a reputable, persistent, investigative, interesting columnist since I left. Just compare the size of yesteryear's publications to those pathetic little fish-wrappers they embarrassingly put out today.

  4. #204
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Eddie G. rumored to be the biggest winner overall on the play.

    Krackman had an article in Gaming Today where he mentioned he spoke to nobody that lost on the play.
    Odd. Nobody but someone with a computer readout knows who was the biggest winner from that play. Gambling rumors are like fishermen rumors.

    Whoever "Krackman" is....you could line up a thousand players who played that and come up with 998 who claimed to have won. More than likely, he asked people who came back and said "I was playing a $180/hour play" or something similar.

    We need a JOURNALIST to go into DTG and ask them to show the real outcome and then write about it--not just repeat hearsay, rumors, or supposition. Where is the Anthony Curtis crowd? And GT hasn't had a reputable, persistent, investigative, interesting columnist since I left. Just compare the size of yesteryear's publications to those pathetic little fish-wrappers they embarrassingly put out today.
    Krackman is a morbidly obese sports betting tout who hangs out at South Point who was featured on the showtime show ACTION. Claims to be a professional bettor, is definitely a tout.

  5. #205
    I only put in one session before they shut off the points. I lost in the neighborhood of $3,500 playing the $2 denominations. I was getting absolutely raped. A member of this forum was actually watching me play, he didn't play because he really didn't know the strategy and didn't want to slow me down asking for help. Obviously he's a big ass Schleprock.

    I really thought the shit was going to go down after what I have observed that night when I left and didnt didn't go back. I really don't like grinding out all day on video poker anymore anyways, but had they not cut off the points I probably would have put some more time in.

    I find it hard to believe that everyone who put in a decent amount of time all came out ahead. However, that doesn't matter. If they keep putting time in playing positive expectation plays they will end up in the black.

    If you enter the AP World thinking every play you make that you'll come out a winner you should probably rethink choosing Advantage play. Yes, there are some plays where you're almost guaranteed to come out ahead but if expand your toolbox enough it's highly unlikely you'll be able to avoid good situations that aren't risky with variance.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 08-21-2019 at 06:08 PM.

  6. #206
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    A member of this forum was actually watching me play,
    Maybe more than one member of this forum....who knows.

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I find it hard to believe that everyone who put in a decent amount of time all came out ahead. However, that doesn't matter. If they keep putting time in playing positive expectation plays they will end up in the black.
    Positive expectation doesn't mean you come out on top in the short run or a small trial size. I know you know this Axel....I am just saying.

    I am not sure you can always trust AP's when it comes to their results on these promotions. I tend to trust people that have built up some credibility with me and that I find credible with their longer term results if they share any, but with short term results, like a promotion, no one wants to admit they were the ones on THAT side of the bell curve.

    Reminds me of a blackjack promotion in Connecticut about 10 years ago. I forget if it was Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. I want to say Mohegan Sun. I also forget the exact promotion. It had to do with doubling down I think. Like you could double down for more money, maybe triple down on first 2 cards. Whatever it was the game was +EV off the top.

    So this promo was for 1 day. A 24 hour period running midnight to midnight. I took the train up as I always did when visiting either Connecticut casino, arriving probably about 10:30 pm. The place was packed. Not a seat to be had on a weekday night. It was pretty much a card counter convention. I eventually got a seat, maybe 1 am. And almost immediately started getting my ass kicked. I was like losing every double down opportunity. By 6am I was down more than 5 figured which was a lot for me at the time, and I was realizing I might not have brought enough money.

    During the course of the morning and early afternoon, things turned and I slowly clawed back to even. I think I was in the black for a short time late in the afternoon. And then early evening, I went backwards again. I quit around 8pm as I was tired and wanted to catch the last train out. I was down a few thousand I forget.

    So in the days after on the blackjack forums, not a single person admitted to losing except me. Everyone made a fortune. I was apparently the only player that lost. Highly unlikely.

  7. #207
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    A member of this forum was actually watching me play,
    Maybe more than one member of this forum....who knows.

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I find it hard to believe that everyone who put in a decent amount of time all came out ahead. However, that doesn't matter. If they keep putting time in playing positive expectation plays they will end up in the black.
    Positive expectation doesn't mean you come out on top in the short run or a small trial size. I know you know this Axel....I am just saying.

    I am not sure you can always trust AP's when it comes to their results on these promotions. I tend to trust people that have built up some credibility with me and that I find credible with their longer term results if they share any, but with short term results, like a promotion, no one wants to admit they were the ones on THAT side of the bell curve.

    Reminds me of a blackjack promotion in Connecticut about 10 years ago. I forget if it was Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. I want to say Mohegan Sun. I also forget the exact promotion. It had to do with doubling down I think. Like you could double down for more money, maybe triple down on first 2 cards. Whatever it was the game was +EV off the top.

    So this promo was for 1 day. A 24 hour period running midnight to midnight. I took the train up as I always did when visiting either Connecticut casino, arriving probably about 10:30 pm. The place was packed. Not a seat to be had on a weekday night. It was pretty much a card counter convention. I eventually got a seat, maybe 1 am. And almost immediately started getting my ass kicked. I was like losing every double down opportunity. By 6am I was down more than 5 figured which was a lot for me at the time, and I was realizing I might not have brought enough money.

    During the course of the morning and early afternoon, things turned and I slowly clawed back to even. I think I was in the black for a short time late in the afternoon. And then early evening, I went backwards again. I quit around 8pm as I was tired and wanted to catch the last train out. I was down a few thousand I forget.

    So in the days after on the blackjack forums, not a single person admitted to losing except me. Everyone made a fortune. I was apparently the only player that lost. Highly unlikely.
    A buddy of mine and me beat that promo for around 8,000 between the two of us, was a good getaway experience.

  8. #208
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    There is an Andrew Neeme video. (I guess he is like #1 maybe #2 poker cash game vlogger). Doesn't play super-big, but plays mid-stakes. Typical grinder who can make a decent living for himself but could do it elsewhere if he applied himself. Anyway, I had heard that he put a new video out that discussed this issue of private games in public cardrooms and how they fuck everything up except for a really small number of players. (And arguably the bad players in those games actually lose $ at a slower rate) Anyway.. so I click on video and the first shot is of a 1800 machine receipt from the DTG. He talks about video poker. He talks about the bar down there and drops the name [Go check out Every Woman Band btw when they play. Love em]. Anyway, Andrew's thing looked like a paid advertisement, or perhaps he is looking to become an AP after his whole discussion of the private game situation in Vegas.

    I'd post a link but I'm too lazy. Didn't watch the whole thing either.
    By the way this post gave you away

  9. #209
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    There is an Andrew Neeme video. (I guess he is like #1 maybe #2 poker cash game vlogger). Doesn't play super-big, but plays mid-stakes. Typical grinder who can make a decent living for himself but could do it elsewhere if he applied himself. Anyway, I had heard that he put a new video out that discussed this issue of private games in public cardrooms and how they fuck everything up except for a really small number of players. (And arguably the bad players in those games actually lose $ at a slower rate) Anyway.. so I click on video and the first shot is of a 1800 machine receipt from the DTG. He talks about video poker. He talks about the bar down there and drops the name [Go check out Every Woman Band btw when they play. Love em]. Anyway, Andrew's thing looked like a paid advertisement, or perhaps he is looking to become an AP after his whole discussion of the private game situation in Vegas.

    I'd post a link but I'm too lazy. Didn't watch the whole thing either.
    By the way this post gave you away
    Okey Dokey brainiac.

    I guess thats your thing. Can't hold your own on a forum so you try to dox people.

    Wow what a creepy ass dude you are.

    And yet again you show who really has the mental issues. You're apparently reading through all my old posts ?!?! Jesus dude. Go get all the pussy with your big dick and everything else you do. Far better use of your time.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  10. #210
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    There is an Andrew Neeme video. (I guess he is like #1 maybe #2 poker cash game vlogger). Doesn't play super-big, but plays mid-stakes. Typical grinder who can make a decent living for himself but could do it elsewhere if he applied himself. Anyway, I had heard that he put a new video out that discussed this issue of private games in public cardrooms and how they fuck everything up except for a really small number of players. (And arguably the bad players in those games actually lose $ at a slower rate) Anyway.. so I click on video and the first shot is of a 1800 machine receipt from the DTG. He talks about video poker. He talks about the bar down there and drops the name [Go check out Every Woman Band btw when they play. Love em]. Anyway, Andrew's thing looked like a paid advertisement, or perhaps he is looking to become an AP after his whole discussion of the private game situation in Vegas.

    I'd post a link but I'm too lazy. Didn't watch the whole thing either.
    By the way this post gave you away
    Okey Dokey brainiac.

    I guess thats your thing. Can't hold your own on a forum so you try to dox people.

    Wow what a creepy ass dude you are.

    And yet again you show who really has the mental issues. You're apparently reading through all my old posts ?!?! Jesus dude. Go get all the pussy with your big dick and everything else you do. Far better use of your time.
    You seem obsessed with my cock. This is the second time today you have referenced it. It’s ok I’m used to it.

  11. #211
    Query, has this Singer cat always been such a buffoon, hey hey????

  12. #212
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Query, has this Singer cat always been such a buffoon, hey hey????
    That Singer cat is dead on this forum. Run over by a car, dead in the street. Might have been a Newell RV that ran him over.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 08-24-2022 at 08:46 PM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  13. #213
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Query, has this Singer cat always been such a buffoon, hey hey????
    That Singer cat is dead on this forum. Run over by a car, dead in the street. Might have been a Newell RV that ran him over.
    This forum is dead. Run over by a car, dead in the street. But it's hopping over at GF since Rob moved over there. You guys are up all night posting.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #214
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Query, has this Singer cat always been such a buffoon, hey hey????
    That Singer cat is dead on this forum. Run over by a car, dead in the street. Might have been a Newell RV that ran him over.
    This forum is dead. Run over by a car, dead in the street. But it's hopping over at GF since Rob moved over there. You guys are up all night posting.
    I am happy to post on this forum, if there are any discussions that aren't about climate change. I have even tried to start a couple discussions, but all you guys seem to care about is politics and climate change, neither of which interests me much and neither what this forum is supposed to be about. I give you credit to for posting in your road trip pictures thread, but boom, the discussion and all new posts go right back to climate change.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #215
    You want to discuss something AP wise, here I have something. It probably belongs in the WoV thread but I am going to stick it right here.

    A couple - 3 years, before covid so maybe 3 years, my brother and I were playing a side bet blackjack game in Colorado that someone had shared with us. They were allowing players to place a side bet up to the amount of their regular bet, which when placed at the right strategic times, made the game very profitable. So after a couple weeks of camping out in crappy motels in Colorado and more and more AP's joining the hit parade, Shackleford revealed the play at WoV and how to beat it, complete with all the math, the way he does. Within like 2 days the sidebet limits were reduced to 25% of your main bet, which all but erased the profit margin. It was just barely +EV. I left, my brother stayed for another few days.

    I was pretty pissed at Shackleford, but didn't make a big deal of it. He has done this type of thing before. Well this week he did the exact same thing. I had just got wind of this play and my brother and I were discussing if we wanted to spend some time in Colorado when, Shackleford revealed the play and all the math....again! While it didn't effect me this time as far as yanking a play out from under us, I bet it effected some playing. Why does he do this shit? and why does he get a pass from the AP community?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #216
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    This forum is dead. Run over by a car, dead in the street. But it's hopping over at GF since Rob moved over there. You guys are up all night posting.
    It's tough to post here because some of us show everyone how to beat all forms of games/gaming but nobody believes it.
    You can't beat Roulette.
    You can't beat the Lottery.
    You can't beat Sports Parlays.
    You can't beat Bingo.
    You can't beat Horse Racing... etc. etc.
    It's funny because all I ever see is examples of people beating everything.
    Keep your chin up Tasha and don't believe the naysayers.
    It turns out you can beat the Lottery and many other "unbeatable" games.
    You just have to find the right angle.
    You don't believe Employees can beat the Sports Book for 45 Million or that someone can beat the Lottery for 27 Million???
    Think Again.
    Been Done and Proven over and over, time and time again.
    For Your Information the Dodgers went on a 13-0 run against the Run Line recently.
    But you know... that sort of thing is impossible and nobody on this forum posted at the beginning of the season that you should hammer the Dodgers Run Line.
    Nobody.


  17. #217
    Even people who aren't cheating, professionals or exploiting some promotion can crush the casino and get barred...


  18. #218
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Even people who aren't cheating, professionals or exploiting some promotion can crush the casino and get barred...
    Pretty good Rogan episode Monet with first time guest guitar virtuoso and former Metallica member Dave Mustaine - please disregard this post if you have already listened to this podcast (excerpt below):

  19. #219
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You want to discuss something AP wise, here I have something. It probably belongs in the WoV thread but I am going to stick it right here.

    A couple - 3 years, before covid so maybe 3 years, my brother and I were playing a side bet blackjack game in Colorado that someone had shared with us. They were allowing players to place a side bet up to the amount of their regular bet, which when placed at the right strategic times, made the game very profitable. So after a couple weeks of camping out in crappy motels in Colorado and more and more AP's joining the hit parade, Shackleford revealed the play at WoV and how to beat it, complete with all the math, the way he does. Within like 2 days the sidebet limits were reduced to 25% of your main bet, which all but erased the profit margin. It was just barely +EV. I left, my brother stayed for another few days.

    I was pretty pissed at Shackleford, but didn't make a big deal of it. He has done this type of thing before. Well this week he did the exact same thing. I had just got wind of this play and my brother and I were discussing if we wanted to spend some time in Colorado when, Shackleford revealed the play and all the math....again! While it didn't effect me this time as far as yanking a play out from under us, I bet it effected some playing. Why does he do this shit? and why does he get a pass from the AP community?

    Take a few seconds to think about it, and the answer presents itself. When people do this stuff (as Stanford Wong did with teaser ranges most professionals knew about, but the public did not), it's for a variation of one of the following reasons:

    1) They get more value out of the exposing of the play than not exposing it. That value can be non-material value, such as reputation, vanity, more views, or it can be directly material as in garnering side contracts with casinos as a consultant.

    2) They treat the entire AP game as some competition they want to "win." If they aren't exploiting a play and other people are, they expose it.

    3) They lack the funding to directly exploit various plays, although they are aware of them. A combination of reputation-seeking, vanity, and treating other APs as competition leads them to expose the plays.

    4) They may have funding, but they lack the psychological makeup, discipline, and possibly physical abilities to handle certain plays effectively. Or overall they are actually failed APs because they have the Fred Flintstone degenerate gambling thing going on. So they act as if they are APs in a sense, but they know they really are not, and they expose the plays.


    I mean, really, do you see Michael Shackleford as an effective AP doing almost anything? That Burning Man style of persona is usually going to get you squashed in the long run. If you don't have some streetwise sixth sense, you're going to go down no matter your math skills.

  20. #220
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You want to discuss something AP wise, here I have something. It probably belongs in the WoV thread but I am going to stick it right here.

    A couple - 3 years, before covid so maybe 3 years, my brother and I were playing a side bet blackjack game in Colorado that someone had shared with us. They were allowing players to place a side bet up to the amount of their regular bet, which when placed at the right strategic times, made the game very profitable. So after a couple weeks of camping out in crappy motels in Colorado and more and more AP's joining the hit parade, Shackleford revealed the play at WoV and how to beat it, complete with all the math, the way he does. Within like 2 days the sidebet limits were reduced to 25% of your main bet, which all but erased the profit margin. It was just barely +EV. I left, my brother stayed for another few days.

    I was pretty pissed at Shackleford, but didn't make a big deal of it. He has done this type of thing before. Well this week he did the exact same thing. I had just got wind of this play and my brother and I were discussing if we wanted to spend some time in Colorado when, Shackleford revealed the play and all the math....again! While it didn't effect me this time as far as yanking a play out from under us, I bet it effected some playing. Why does he do this shit? and why does he get a pass from the AP community?

    Take a few seconds to think about it, and the answer presents itself. When people do this stuff (as Stanford Wong did with teaser ranges most professionals knew about, but the public did not), it's for a variation of one of the following reasons:

    1) They get more value out of the exposing of the play than not exposing it. That value can be non-material value, such as reputation, vanity, more views, or it can be directly material as in garnering side contracts with casinos as a consultant.

    2) They treat the entire AP game as some competition they want to "win." If they aren't exploiting a play and other people are, they expose it.

    3) They lack the funding to directly exploit various plays, although they are aware of them. A combination of reputation-seeking, vanity, and treating other APs as competition leads them to expose the plays.

    4) They may have funding, but they lack the psychological makeup, discipline, and possibly physical abilities to handle certain plays effectively. Or overall they are actually failed APs because they have the Fred Flintstone degenerate gambling thing going on. So they act as if they are APs in a sense, but they know they really are not, and they expose the plays.


    I mean, really, do you see Michael Shackleford as an effective AP doing almost anything? That Burning Man style of persona is usually going to get you squashed in the long run. If you don't have some streetwise sixth sense, you're going to go down no matter your math skills.
    When I explained to Shack that one needs a contingency plan, per the small chance, for defending oneself when out in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses....he took riding a freight train off his bucket list.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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