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  1. #121
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    This "debate" is just silly. Lady Luck closed, I believe, in late 2005. Downtown Grand opened late 2014. It would be a very, very unusual business strategy to pump $100 million into renovating a property and retain machines more than 10 years old. Video poker machines, if I recall correctly, ballpark at about 15K each. So a place the size of the Lady Luck, maybe holding a max of what, a 100 video poker machines on the high end? You do the math.

    The problem with some people's "common sense" is the lack of common sense. I don't think what television news somebody watches has much to do with the math of doing business or common sense, but, you know, that's just common sense.

    Here's a brilliant fucking idea. Somebody ask them. "How many 10-year-old machines did you keep after spending $100 million on renovations?" Oh right, I'll be there Monday. I'll ask them.

    Oh yeah, the property was described as "gutted" in multiple articles. So we're talking removing and storing 100 more-than-10-year-old video poker machines, then reinstalling them onto brand new carpeting and flooring to spiff up the place.

    As some folks like to say, "It's not impossible. it could have happened."
    You're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.

    Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.

    LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
    Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.

    So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, wipe the sweat away and stop crying. Maybe it'll enlighten you. I'm so sad that I had to catch you in a lie about "10 years".

    Machines from '02-'05 are not "old machines". And I invite you to read the casino's history on the web. It explains a timeline of expecting to re-open and then setback after setback until they finally opened again.

    Rest better tonight.
    Wikipedia? Great source Rob. I don't need to read Wikipedia....I live here and know what occurred.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 07-23-2019 at 06:01 PM.

  3. #123
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Rob you are starting to sound almost exactly like Rachel Maddow trying to explain away your dumbass comments. Wise up, you’re embarrassing yourself
    Dike Maddow would NEVER try to explain anything I've said.

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Rob you are starting to sound almost exactly like Rachel Maddow trying to explain away your dumbass comments. Wise up, you’re embarrassing yourself
    Dike Maddow would NEVER try to explain anything I've said.
    And of course this makes no sense in the context of what mcap said.

    Someone says grapes are healthy for you and Rob replies "but I don't like oranges".

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, wipe the sweat away and stop crying. Maybe it'll enlighten you. I'm so sad that I had to catch you in a lie about "10 years".

    Machines from '02-'05 are not "old machines". And I invite you to read the casino's history on the web. It explains a timeline of expecting to re-open and then setback after setback until they finally opened again.

    Rest better tonight.
    Wikipedia? Great source Rob. I don't need to read Wikipedia....I live here and know what occurred.
    Didn't say Wikipedia did I. Looks like you're the one Alan's rubbed off on.

    That's just it kew. You continually want to come across as all-knowing about everything LV (because you have no other life). But you stumbled into your own trap in this one. That's gotta hurt!

  6. #126
    Look Rob, you said something really stupid and completely false, saying that the machines in DTG "could be vulnerable to the double up bug", implying that they were sitting there for almost 8 years under a sheet, just as they had been in 2006. That is just nonsense. Everything in the DTG was brand new, including or maybe especially the machines. THAT is what the marketing plan was... The New, sparkling, modern place downtown. That marketing plan hasn't worked, because that is not what Downtown is about. People don't go to Fremont Street to see, new shiny, modern. They go to see "old Vegas". And that makes me wonder about Steven's new place going up on the corner of Fremont and Main.

    So Rob, you can tap dance and deflect, and go back to your trolling, name-calling ways, that you claimed are not really you, but what you said and insinuated is completely wrong. Anyone looking for still vulnerable machines is much more likely to find them in some small, rural casino. They sure aren't going to find them in a Casino that opened with everything brand new. So be a man and just accept that you were wrong on this one, probably didn't think it through.

  7. #127
    There was a 12k dealt royal today by a pro at DTG

  8. #128
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.

    Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.

    LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
    Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.

    So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
    I have rarely read a more incorrect couple of lines. For the purposes of categorization, video poker is considered a "slot machine." So 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by the casinos.

    http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/quest...-owned-leased/

  9. #129
    Mr. Singer, are you residing in Chandler, AZ. these days?

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You're failing if you're trying to help kew. LL closed in 2006. DTG opened in 2013. And all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time. In cases where casinos close with the expectation of another entity purchasing it and re-opening, machines do not not leave. 10 yr. old machines are not OLD these days since the 2002-2005 generations arrived. In established casinos, there are far more of those than there are "new" ones. Go ahead and research it like kew tries to give the perception he would do. I do it all the time because I'm looking for certain age machines.

    Asking DTG helps but it's doubtful any 2013 employees are still there. I just called and two casino supervisors said they had no idea.

    LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
    Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.

    So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
    There are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.

  11. #131
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
    Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.

    So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
    There are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.
    OK thanks--so that basically answers my question. There is no need to check them for the anomaly because they must have put in all new machines when they re-opened in 2013 or soon afterwards.

    I wouldn't have thought they'd do that but maybe that's the trend. Regardless, when I get back on both feet I'll continue my search. I've found them before and I'll find them again. When I do I won't play it any more--as I said, my time has come and gone. I will let only those couple people who've PM'd me about this play after I released what I did, know the details about it. I would love to see other players make money off of this, and the different methods from mine that they would use to do it.

    This is what's important here, not all this arguing.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    LOL. Yeah, "all casinos LEASE machines for long periods of time." Yeah, let's examine that statement. First of all, we're talking video poker, not all machines. But to give certain people a break, let's say we're talking all machines. According to Global Gaming Business magazine, 85% of domestic slot machines are owned by casinos and 15% are leased, as of 2018. Video poker is more one-sided.
    Correct. All vp machines are leased, which makes perfect business sense. That's why all old VP machines go back to the manufacturer for selling to distributors.

    So now let's get back to the original question prior to you, kew, and fellow hater mcap coming apart at the seams again. Did anyone check to see if the DU issue was in any of the machines there?
    There are only a few older slots in the entire DTG. Everything else is newer than 5 years old. All VP is new versions.
    OK thanks--so that basically answers my question. There is no need to check them for the anomaly because they must have put in all new machines when they re-opened in 2013 or soon afterwards.

    I wouldn't have thought they'd do that but maybe that's the trend. Regardless, when I get back on both feet I'll continue my search. I've found them before and I'll find them again. When I do I won't play it any more--as I said, my time has come and gone. I will let only those couple people who've PM'd me about this play after I released what I did, know the details about it. I would love to see other players make money off of this, and the different methods from mine that they would use to do it.

    This is what's important here, not all this arguing.

  13. #133
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I think this is what the timeline looks like

    On Friday, 11 July, DTG installs FPDW with denoms from 25 cents to $2 on all their video pokers, excluding bartops. Card is worth .2%. It brings in a lot of players.

    On Friday, 18 July, video poker is disqualified from receiving points.

    On Saturday, 19 July, the $2 denoms were changed from FPDW to APDW.

    So that would leave denoms of 25 cent, fifty cent, and $1.

    We'll see how long that lasts. Getting rid of the $2 denom probably got rid of the bigger bankrolled players that don't care for $1 denom because they won't work that cheap.
    Its up on twitter this morning that the 25, 50 and $1 denoms were all reduced to APDW yesterday. I imagine that $1 triple play flopped royal had something to do with it. So that's the end of the play. So it looks like it lasted about 12 days. Rob, I don't get why that DTG person you talked to would tell you it was a good move on their part to put the FPDW in. Maybe they just didn't understand that it was just to big of an edge to give up. They had to find out the hard way.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #134
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Dancer is on the big play at The Palms currently
    Whats the big play at the Palms?
    I too am curious. What is this alleged "big play?"

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Dancer is on the big play at The Palms currently
    Whats the big play at the Palms?
    I too am curious. What is this alleged "big play?"
    Wondered this myself.

    Palms has been sending relatively generous play up offers in the recent past. For example play 150,000 points and get 1k FreePlay, something like that. Could be some variation of that.

  16. #136
    Hasn't Dancer publicly stated that his card with Stations has been terminated?

  17. #137
    Yes dancer has said for years he has no card at station properties

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Yes dancer has said for years he has no card at station properties
    He also lost Boyd about 6 years ago over playing the 9/6 BPD at Summerlin on triple point days. He lost MGM a couple of decades ago.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #139
    It's not surprising if he got his card privileges back after several years. Not with all the ownership and management changes that go on these days. And especially not with the amount of play he gives them.

  20. #140
    Dancer is a God and resident of Nevada

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