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  1. #41
    Same theory from my vantage point

  2. #42
    Looks like I barely missed out on this, as I flew out of Vegas just before they put these in. It's even listed on vpfree2 now it seems.

  3. #43
    The multi-line games are worth minimum $300 an hour in EV

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The multi-line games are worth minimum $300 an hour in EV
    Care to explain that minimum? They have quarter 10 play and I think 5 play. They do have $1 5 play on 2 machines. Funny though, they were getting played on the quarter denom. Most of the AP's I saw in there look like they could use a few months of this gift horse. Hope they bring down the house.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The multi-line games are worth minimum $300 an hour in EV
    Care to explain that minimum? They have quarter 10 play and I think 5 play. They do have $1 5 play on 2 machines. Funny though, they were getting played on the quarter denom. Most of the AP's I saw in there look like they could use a few months of this gift horse. Hope they bring down the house.
    I too am waiting for that explanation.

    But it's an overall interesting story. Earlier today I called and talked to a shift boss, claiming I was a journalist with an online gaming discussion site. First thing he said was someone saying they were from Las Vegas Advisor stopped in this week and asked if they were closing their doors.

    He laughed while he said that and asked if that's what I was calling for. I said no--all I wanted was to know why so many pay table increases like the FPDW's up to $2 and the multi-denom/multi-plays. He said they made the decision to up many of the pay tables and so far it's been the right decision. He wouldn't explain why. He also touted 10/6 ddbp and 10/7 dbp.

    They know what they're doing, but who knows if they REALLY know what they're doing. It doesn't appear to be any sort of database exercise, and while it could be pulled at any time, it has lasted for longer than most people would have expected it to.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The multi-line games are worth minimum $300 an hour in EV
    Care to explain that minimum? They have quarter 10 play and I think 5 play. They do have $1 5 play on 2 machines. Funny though, they were getting played on the quarter denom. Most of the AP's I saw in there look like they could use a few months of this gift horse. Hope they bring down the house.
    I too am waiting for that explanation.

    But it's an overall interesting story. Earlier today I called and talked to a shift boss, claiming I was a journalist with an online gaming discussion site. First thing he said was someone saying they were from Las Vegas Advisor stopped in this week and asked if they were closing their doors.

    He laughed while he said that and asked if that's what I was calling for. I said no--all I wanted was to know why so many pay table increases like the FPDW's up to $2 and the multi-denom/multi-plays. He said they made the decision to up many of the pay tables and so far it's been the right decision. He wouldn't explain why. He also touted 10/6 ddbp and 10/7 dbp.

    They know what they're doing, but who knows if they REALLY know what they're doing. It doesn't appear to be any sort of database exercise, and while it could be pulled at any time, it has lasted for longer than most people would have expected it to.
    Sounds like they are monitoring it on a daily basis. They could be running good fading royals for now. Or the players are making mistakes. Who knows? Sort of sounds like they may have realized their mistake. Took a look at the numbers and they are running good so decided to take away all incentives and monitor the results on a daily basis. As soon as they start losing pull the plug but until then enjoy the increased revenue.

  7. #47
    Reports coming in is that most everyone is winning, some crushing it.

  8. #48

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    That is ABSOLUTELY not true
    PiggyBanker says it is. Didn't you know, all the AP's playing it have meters displaying there results on the back of their heads?

    He also said, something to the effect of, "It's worth $300 minimum per hour on the multi-line games"....lol

  10. #50
    So I took a quick walk through DTG today, just to take a look at what was happening. I didn't check pay tables or anything and have no reason to doubt they are what has been said here. I was more interested in the people playing them. I will tell you THIS much, I hope everyone playing was "crushing it" as PIGGY BANKER says, because some of these folks just don't look like they can afford to lose much. Ya know what I am saying....don't look like they have many quarters to rub against each other. Maybe that is the look machine AP's go for.

    I am in favor of almost any kind of AP move. But seriously people, saving on soap and water by not bathing regularly in the July desert climate is not an AP play.

    It could be that because of this thread posted here and maybe somewhere else if this info has been picked up, that DTG is now drawing the lower end AP's. The crowd that you see at all the weekly low end plays that look like they don't have a permanent home. I have long suspected some of these folks bounce around from the "weeklies" sometimes sharing ect. Anyway, happy hunting guys.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So I took a quick walk through DTG today, just to take a look at what was happening. I didn't check pay tables or anything and have no reason to doubt they are what has been said here. I was more interested in the people playing them. I will tell you THIS much, I hope everyone playing was "crushing it" as PIGGY BANKER says, because some of these folks just don't look like they can afford to lose much. Ya know what I am saying....don't look like they have many quarters to rub against each other. Maybe that is the look machine AP's go for.

    I am in favor of almost any kind of AP move. But seriously people, saving on soap and water by not bathing regularly in the July desert climate is not an AP play.

    It could be that because of this thread posted here and maybe somewhere else if this info has been picked up, that DTG is now drawing the lower end AP's. The crowd that you see at all the weekly low end plays that look like they don't have a permanent home. I have long suspected some of these folks bounce around from the "weeklies" sometimes sharing ect. Anyway, happy hunting guys.
    Lots of RICH people tend to look poor on purpose so that people won't beg them for money.

  12. #52
    Some or all of the $2 been pulled
    Singer strikes again(see above)

  13. #53
    There used to be a little dump 100 machine casino called Duke's across the street from Ascuaga's Nugget that got shuttered. These three Doctors from California decided they wanted to get in the gamlin' bidness and bought the place. But nobody came. They couldn't pull anyone in. So they jumped the payscales up to FPDW. Quarters and dollars and even two five play quarters, and also 10/7 DB. They put on promotions, quad 5's thru Kings got a 20 coin bonus, and double royal hours. They got plenty of bidness then but not the kind they wanted. I never seen a ploppie in the place. Nothing but pros. And everybody won including me. The doctors got their asses handed to them. The place was shuttered again. Then they knocked the building down and made it a parking lot.

    One of the doctors was quoted in the paper "The gambling business is tough."
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Some or all of the $2 been pulled
    Singer strikes again(see above)
    Yeah, it's all Singer's fault. Who started this thread again? Are you related to BlackjackPro/Tasha/Kentry?

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Some or all of the $2 been pulled.
    What makes FPDW so strong is there is only a 1% loss rate between royals. On the dollar level the average cost to produce a royal is just $2250. And every tenth of a percent in cashback/freeplay knocks $225 off the cost.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    Some or all of the $2 been pulled.
    What makes FPDW so strong is there is only a 1% loss rate between royals. On the dollar level the average cost to produce a royal is just $2250. And every tenth of a percent in cashback/freeplay knocks $225 off the cost.
    And flooding each deal-draw with 5 hands at a time instead of one on the 5-play, 5-coin $1 FPDWs bolstered by the immense power of this cost of royal super-stat . . .

  17. #57

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by PIGGY BANKER View Post
    The multi-line games are worth minimum $300 an hour in EV
    Care to explain that minimum? They have quarter 10 play and I think 5 play. They do have $1 5 play on 2 machines. Funny though, they were getting played on the quarter denom. Most of the AP's I saw in there look like they could use a few months of this gift horse. Hope they bring down the house.
    I too am waiting for that explanation.

    But it's an overall interesting story. Earlier today I called and talked to a shift boss, claiming I was a journalist with an online gaming discussion site. First thing he said was someone saying they were from Las Vegas Advisor stopped in this week and asked if they were closing their doors.

    He laughed while he said that and asked if that's what I was calling for. I said no--all I wanted was to know why so many pay table increases like the FPDW's up to $2 and the multi-denom/multi-plays. He said they made the decision to up many of the pay tables and so far it's been the right decision. He wouldn't explain why. He also touted 10/6 ddbp and 10/7 dbp.

    They know what they're doing, but who knows if they REALLY know what they're doing. It doesn't appear to be any sort of database exercise, and while it could be pulled at any time, it has lasted for longer than most people would have expected it to.
    Rob, why the fuck would you do that? Innocent reasoning or not, that's completely fucked up, theres no reason to bring that kind of attention to the play. Obviously the casino isn't blind, but even if theres a slight chance you calling brought any more attention to it, well, that's just BS. THIS IS THE REASON ONE SHOULD NOT BE POSTING UP ABOUT PLAYS ON THE INTERNET. NM Rob, I have to imagine there are Dark-siders and jellouse people who would call the casino for whatever nefarious reasons they might have. It only takes one wrong person to happen upon one informational post that completely fucks up a really good play. Perhaps not this one (I dont count this as a really good play) but the next or or the one after that. I mean look what Dark OZ did on WOV. Due to his lack of knowledge regarding AP he posted up something because he knew nothing about it. Yet, it fucked up the $5 machines. And then theres some asshole taking pictures of AP's and this play and then posting it on twitter is complete BS as well.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 07-20-2019 at 06:56 PM.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So I took a quick walk through DTG today, just to take a look at what was happening. I didn't check pay tables or anything and have no reason to doubt they are what has been said here. I was more interested in the people playing them. I will tell you THIS much, I hope everyone playing was "crushing it" as PIGGY BANKER says, because some of these folks just don't look like they can afford to lose much. Ya know what I am saying....don't look like they have many quarters to rub against each other. Maybe that is the look machine AP's go for.
    I suspect the folks in this DTG Ad are different than the clientele you observed during your walk through :

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  20. #60
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    Care to explain that minimum? They have quarter 10 play and I think 5 play. They do have $1 5 play on 2 machines. Funny though, they were getting played on the quarter denom. Most of the AP's I saw in there look like they could use a few months of this gift horse. Hope they bring down the house.
    I too am waiting for that explanation.

    But it's an overall interesting story. Earlier today I called and talked to a shift boss, claiming I was a journalist with an online gaming discussion site. First thing he said was someone saying they were from Las Vegas Advisor stopped in this week and asked if they were closing their doors.

    He laughed while he said that and asked if that's what I was calling for. I said no--all I wanted was to know why so many pay table increases like the FPDW's up to $2 and the multi-denom/multi-plays. He said they made the decision to up many of the pay tables and so far it's been the right decision. He wouldn't explain why. He also touted 10/6 ddbp and 10/7 dbp.

    They know what they're doing, but who knows if they REALLY know what they're doing. It doesn't appear to be any sort of database exercise, and while it could be pulled at any time, it has lasted for longer than most people would have expected it to.
    Rob, why the fuck would you do that? Innocent reasoning or not, that's completely fucked up, theres no reason to bring that kind of attention to the play. Obviously the casino isn't blind, but even if theres a slight chance you calling brought any more attention to it, well, that's just BS. THIS IS THE REASON ONE SHOULD NOT BE POSTING UP ABOUT PLAYS ON THE INTERNET. NM Rob, I have to imagine there are Dark-siders and jellouse people who would call the casino for whatever nefarious reasons they might have. It only takes one wrong person to happen upon one informational post that completely fucks up a really good play. Perhaps not this one (I dont count this as a really good play) but the next or or the one after that. I mean look what Dark OZ did on WOV. Due to his lack of knowledge regarding AP he posted up something because he knew nothing about it. Yet, it fucked up the $5 machines. And then theres some asshole taking pictures of AP's and this play and then posting it on twitter is complete BS as well.
    Well, for the simple reason that it was posted about here, it's not something you see everyday, people are asking questions and opining about it, and it's an interesting story so I did what I used to do for GT and I did a little digging out of curiosity. If I weren't sitting around waiting for this foot to heal I may have looked right past it, and if there wasn't a thread about it most of us would have never known until it was over.

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