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  1. #81
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post

    No, I'm not comparing 8 years to 2 years. Read the article again. It compares the first 645 days of each presidency. If you want to compare 8 years to 2 years it would be 182% for Obama to 29% for Trump.

    I will agree with you on one point, and that is the market was bottoming when Obama came into office, but don't say the market has done better under Trump than Obama because it is not true.
    "There are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Mark Twain

    The market had bottomed at 8000 when Obama took over. By August 2011 the market was at 11,000. That's not 183%. More like 37%. It was helped along by zero percent prime rate. But that rise did nothing for job creation. Unemployment was at 9% in 2009 and 8.5% in 2011. And the 8.5% figure is somewhat phony because so many people had quit actively looking for work. The Trump stock market rise put a lot of people back to work and those already working saw pay increases.
    And then there is the 4th type of lie. That told by either Mickey Crimm, Rob Singer, or Donald J. Trump. Basis for their facts is either Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or some other misinformed like minded individual. The purpose of their lies is to intimidate or influence weak minded or uneducated people that are not able to look at both sides and decide for themselves.
    And you have to cobble together the poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities and rich elites to try and win in 2020 because everyone else is against you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #82
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    "There are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Mark Twain

    The market had bottomed at 8000 when Obama took over. By August 2011 the market was at 11,000. That's not 183%. More like 37%. It was helped along by zero percent prime rate. But that rise did nothing for job creation. Unemployment was at 9% in 2009 and 8.5% in 2011. And the 8.5% figure is somewhat phony because so many people had quit actively looking for work. The Trump stock market rise put a lot of people back to work and those already working saw pay increases.
    And then there is the 4th type of lie. That told by either Mickey Crimm, Rob Singer, or Donald J. Trump. Basis for their facts is either Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or some other misinformed like minded individual. The purpose of their lies is to intimidate or influence weak minded or uneducated people that are not able to look at both sides and decide for themselves.
    And you have to cobble together the poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities and rich elites to try and win in 2020 because everyone else is against you.

    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.

  3. #83
    Mickey, I do not fit the description of any of the groups that you mention cobbling together. I would really like to support either party that was able to be fiscally responsible and conservative. However, every time the republicans have a chance to be fiscally responsible, they go to trickle down economics and the end result has never been good for this country. As a younger voter I tended to vote republican just as often as democratic. Now in my 60's I normally hold my nose and vote straight democrat. Not because I support all of the various planks that represent the core beliefs of their party but because I abhor the leadership and good ole boy network that has further taken a stranglehold of the republican party since I first started voting more than 40 years ago. I abhor all of the self serving conservatards that have shaped their direction such as Gingrich, Cheney, both the Bushes, and more recently Ryan, McConnell and Trump.

    When Trump first began running for president I briefly considered voting for him. It did not take me long to see what a loud mouth, narcissistic asshole he was. All of the lies and tweets and disparaging remarks towards others only made it worse. Once he took office it quickly became evident that he was only interested in being president of and reflecting the beliefs of the 30 percent core base that put him there and could care less about the other 70 percent. His loyalties to Putin and the Korean dictator, and desire to destroy our relationships with our allies overseas has further eroded what little confidence I may have had in him.

    And then layered on top of that is lies on top of lies on top of lies. Any point of view that does not support his is labeled by him and his proponents as fake news. If he is reelected next year I am sure myself and my family will live through it but I am convinced now more than ever that four more years of Donald J Trump will do much more damage to our country than any good it may do.

  4. #84
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.
    Geez, is there anybody that really believes the popular vote will be in question?

    The democrats will win the popular vote, no matter who the candidate and probably by more than 2016 which was what 3 million after all the votes were counted.

    The only thing in question, in my mind is if Trump can patch together just enough to thread the needle to a slim electoral college victory, mirroring 2016.

    I don't bet online. I don't trust any online sites. Nevada doesn't take bets on politics and I probably wouldn't be crazy about tying up funds for 15 months anyway. But if I was going to bet on the 2020 election, I would bet on the democrats. I am talking strictly bet, not who I favor. Frankly, I haven't found anyone among the democrats I could vote for and don't care for any Democratic positions I have heard so far. And if reparations is part of the democratic platform, I will not only not vote for a democrat this time, but will never again consider a democrat for anything. I am strongly against paying people for something that happened hundreds of years ago. Nobody a live today is responsible for that shitty chapter of our history. It is just a thinly veiled way of trying to buy the support of the blacks.

    Now just as a political junkie, no super partisan like some here , I see real trouble on the horizon for the republicans and TRump in 2020 and reaching far beyond.

    Texas is an immediate danger that could alter things for a very long time. The Latino population is growing super fast. Projections now say that there will be more Latino voters by 2022 than white voters in Texas. For a while they have been saying this was coming, and Trump seems to have feuled a high voter registration of Latinos in the last year and it now looks like it will be sooner than expected. This is real bad news for Republicans far beyond 2020. If Texas flips, whether 2020, or 2024 or when ever the Republicans are going to have to "find" a whole lot of electoral votes to make up for that to be competitive. I have no idea where?

    More specific to 2020, Trump is down big time in support for one key group. White suburban women. He is down all over with that group from 2016 levels, but Texas the drop off is severe. He is down about 25 points. White suburban women have different priorities. And polling indicates this group in particular is extremely turned off by separations of families and the whole children in cages situation. And the women in Texas have seen that constantly being in their own backyard. I don't know how Trump turns that around.

    One other real bad sign for Trump is that traditionally and incumbent, president, senator, who has support of 46% or less in the polls, loses like 99% of the time. Even if they are winning like 46% to 40% with a bunch of undecided (which Trump isn't). The common wisdom is that voters know who the incumbent is, and none more so that Trump. If they know him/her and their policies and aren't supporting then, they aren't going to break for them at the end. Traditionally, undecided break against an incumbent that is at 46% or lower. 46% is the key number. I don't know why. Trump is well below 46% and has been every single day of his presidency.

    But there are two possible saving graces for Trump. One would be a fairly strong third candidate. Not a 1 or 2% candidate, but someone that gets 5-6%. That could allow someone like trump that has 45-46% support enough to thread that electoral college needle, if things fall JUST right.

    The second thing that could change and likely will change some, is there is no democratic candidate right now. Polls are just a reflection of Trump. Even polls showing a specific matchup like Biden vs Trump. At this point, it is just a reflection of Trumps unpopularity. I wouldn't put much meaning in that until someone is officially the democratic candidate. I mean suppose a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren becomes the democratic candidate. All of the sudden you might have some folks that don't approve of Trump finding they like Bernie or Liz even less.

  5. #85
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post

    And then there is the 4th type of lie. That told by either Mickey Crimm, Rob Singer, or Donald J. Trump. Basis for their facts is either Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or some other misinformed like minded individual. The purpose of their lies is to intimidate or influence weak minded or uneducated people that are not able to look at both sides and decide for themselves.
    And you have to cobble together the poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities and rich elites to try and win in 2020 because everyone else is against you.

    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.
    Looking for suckers, Redietz? It looks like Rob has been right about you all along. You're on here trying to hustle up money. Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. You seem to think my political views make me believe Trump is a shoo-in in 2020. Nothing could be further from the truth. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 08-15-2019 at 01:25 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Mickey, I do not fit the description of any of the groups that you mention cobbling together. I would really like to support either party that was able to be fiscally responsible and conservative. However, every time the republicans have a chance to be fiscally responsible, they go to trickle down economics and the end result has never been good for this country. As a younger voter I tended to vote republican just as often as democratic. Now in my 60's I normally hold my nose and vote straight democrat. Not because I support all of the various planks that represent the core beliefs of their party but because I abhor the leadership and good ole boy network that has further taken a stranglehold of the republican party since I first started voting more than 40 years ago. I abhor all of the self serving conservatards that have shaped their direction such as Gingrich, Cheney, both the Bushes, and more recently Ryan, McConnell and Trump.

    When Trump first began running for president I briefly considered voting for him. It did not take me long to see what a loud mouth, narcissistic asshole he was. All of the lies and tweets and disparaging remarks towards others only made it worse. Once he took office it quickly became evident that he was only interested in being president of and reflecting the beliefs of the 30 percent core base that put him there and could care less about the other 70 percent. His loyalties to Putin and the Korean dictator, and desire to destroy our relationships with our allies overseas has further eroded what little confidence I may have had in him.

    And then layered on top of that is lies on top of lies on top of lies. Any point of view that does not support his is labeled by him and his proponents as fake news. If he is reelected next year I am sure myself and my family will live through it but I am convinced now more than ever that four more years of Donald J Trump will do much more damage to our country than any good it may do.
    I used to vote straight democrat until the party shifted to far to the left. My extended family did the same. I'm not tied to the economy so I use them as the barometer of what is going on in the country. They're mostly blue collar workers. They had it pretty tough in the Obama years, high unemployment, jobs going overseas, stagnant wages, no pay raises, no upward mobility and the added burden of much high health care premiums.

    But then something funny happened. Hillary lost the election. The next day the stock market took off like a rocket. Trump cut taxes and regulations. The market continued to soar. The corporations brought in trillions of dollars sitting in overseas banks because they wouldn't pay the high tax rate under Obama. The market continued to soar until it reached 26,000 and the overall economy going gangbusters. My family told me about pay raises, bonuses and more take home pay. They're a pretty happy lot right now.

    I'm happy for them but at the same time pessimistic about their future. They're just hard working, god fearing, Americans that want to work and provide for themselves and their loved ones. I'm pessimistic for them because of the relentless assault by socialists to fundamentally change this country into everyone being dependent on the state. With a growing welfare state, and immigration going the way it is, I think the have-nots will eventually overtake the have's and make that happen. And it will sink my family like a stone. Hopefully, I'll be dead by then and won't have to watch it happen.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #87
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    And you have to cobble together the poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities and rich elites to try and win in 2020 because everyone else is against you.

    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.
    Looking for suckers, Redietz? It looks like Rob has been right about you all along. You're on here trying to hustle up money. Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. You seem to think my political views make me believe Trump is a shoo-in in 2020. Nothing could be further from the truth. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
    LOL. Don't let me put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you just admitted that the "everyone else" you mention above is outnumbered by the "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities, and rich elites." So, if that's the case, then isn't that the way democracies are supposed to work -- you know, the folks who outnumber the other folks (and vote) get their candidates in office? Or is it supposed to work another way?

    Trump is obviously not a shoo-in, precisely because the, ahem, poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities (soon to not be minorities), rich elites, and let's not forget the socialists -- they outnumber the "everyone else." Plus the "everyone elses" are older and dying off faster than the list previously mentioned. Now last I checked, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that was the way democracies worked.

    Of course, if you're advocating for something other than a democracy, I'm all ears.

    Two notes from me:

    1) I was horrified to find the kind of blowback Biden caught from Latino organizations for stating a couple of practical immigration policies. I cannot believe that family reunification is supposed to (pardon the pun) trump the pragmatics of immigration. The United States does not have unlimited resources, regardless of how much we blow on defense spending.

    2) Conservative radio host Joe Walsh delivered some hard-hitting anti-Trump interviews in the last few days, basically finally saying what I can't believe conservatives have kept a lid on for months.

  8. #88
    Do you have any real news, redietz? Why do you think I’m pessimistic about Trumps chances? Throw in google, Facebook and Twitter manipulations which psychologists are saying effects voters. And something even more diabolical may occur. This latest stock market dip could just be a dry run. Globalists may attempt to crash the economy just before the election. A short term loss for them just to get rid of Trump.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.
    Looking for suckers, Redietz? It looks like Rob has been right about you all along. You're on here trying to hustle up money. Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. You seem to think my political views make me believe Trump is a shoo-in in 2020. Nothing could be further from the truth. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
    LOL. Don't let me put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you just admitted that the "everyone else" you mention above is outnumbered by the "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities, and rich elites." So, if that's the case, then isn't that the way democracies are supposed to work -- you know, the folks who outnumber the other folks (and vote) get their candidates in office? Or is it supposed to work another way?

    Trump is obviously not a shoo-in, precisely because the, ahem, poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities (soon to not be minorities), rich elites, and let's not forget the socialists -- they outnumber the "everyone else." Plus the "everyone elses" are older and dying off faster than the list previously mentioned. Now last I checked, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that was the way democracies worked.

    Of course, if you're advocating for something other than a democracy, I'm all ears.


    Sounds like you have the recipe for a Banana Republic and the end of capitalism as we currently know it.

  10. #90

    I knew if I waited long enough!!

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Mickey, I do not fit the description of any of the groups that you mention cobbling together. I would really like to support either party that was able to be fiscally responsible and conservative. However, every time the republicans have a chance to be fiscally responsible, they go to trickle down economics and the end result has never been good for this country. As a younger voter I tended to vote republican just as often as democratic. Now in my 60's I normally hold my nose and vote straight democrat. Not because I support all of the various planks that represent the core beliefs of their party but because I abhor the leadership and good ole boy network that has further taken a stranglehold of the republican party since I first started voting more than 40 years ago. I abhor all of the self serving conservatards that have shaped their direction such as Gingrich, Cheney, both the Bushes, and more recently Ryan, McConnell and Trump.

    When Trump first began running for president I briefly considered voting for him. It did not take me long to see what a loud mouth, narcissistic asshole he was. All of the lies and tweets and disparaging remarks towards others only made it worse. Once he took office it quickly became evident that he was only interested in being president of and reflecting the beliefs of the 30 percent core base that put him there and could care less about the other 70 percent. His loyalties to Putin and the Korean dictator, and desire to destroy our relationships with our allies overseas has further eroded what little confidence I may have had in him.

    And then layered on top of that is lies on top of lies on top of lies. Any point of view that does not support his is labeled by him and his proponents as fake news. If he is reelected next year I am sure myself and my family will live through it but I am convinced now more than ever that four more years of Donald J Trump will do much more damage to our country than any good it may do.
    Just curious. What damage to the country are you most afraid of if Trump is re-elected?
    If it’s debt and deficits I share your concern, but I also don’t think any of the present democrat candidates would do anything to slow that down. They have too many free stuff promises. They could raise taxes dramatically but that would just send the economy back into recession while still running deficits.
    So, I don’t want to put words in your mouth, what are you most worried about if Trump gets another 4 years?

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Just curious. What damage to the country are you most afraid of if Trump is re-elected?
    If it’s debt and deficits I share your concern, but I also don’t think any of the present democrat candidates would do anything to slow that down. They have too many free stuff promises. They could raise taxes dramatically but that would just send the economy back into recession while still running deficits.
    So, I don’t want to put words in your mouth, what are you most worried about if Trump gets another 4 years?
    Trump is a moron. If you don't believe me just ask his former Secretary of State. I really do fear the most of anything is he will get us into another war, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him cross the line and use nukes.

  13. #93
    Danny, debt and deficits are sure to continue to get worse if Trump gets reelected. My wife and I paid twice as much in taxes as we did before the top one tenth of one percent tax cut went into effect. Much of ours is because my wife gets a lot of hand pays each year and the ability to offset on our tax return was largely eliminated making us have to pay tax on the majority of her w2g's. Like most people that go to the casino overall we lose more than we win most but that does not matter to the IRS in determining gambling wins and losses. Much of the excess $1 trillion of debt that has been created during Trump's tenure has to do with excess spending but I think that much of it has to do with the top tax payers contributing less in revenues. It's the same thing all over again promised when the r's were able to take control of all three branches of government.

    We need someone that can work with both d's and r's and get stuff done and cut spending. I did not vote for Trump but I was hopeful that his partisanship to his 30% would give way to willingness to work with the congress and the senate to pass common sense measures that would be good for everyone. And sadly, looking at his body of work, as long as he remains in office I do not expect anything to change.

    More insults. More snake oil salesmanship. More adoration of Putin and falling in love with the Korean dictator. More obsessing over building a wall and blaming all of our social problems on people of color. More taking credit for good will and accomplishments that were actually achieved by others. More blaming others for his own ineptness and self-created problems. More undermining democracy by attacking the media for keeping us informed and telling us like it is whether we like it or not. These are just some of the underlying habits and beliefs that define Trump's presidency that will lead to further damage to our country if Trump is reelected.

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Danny, debt and deficits are sure to continue to get worse if Trump gets reelected. My wife and I paid twice as much in taxes as we did before the top one tenth of one percent tax cut went into effect. Much of ours is because my wife gets a lot of hand pays each year and the ability to offset on our tax return was largely eliminated making us have to pay tax on the majority of her w2g's. Like most people that go to the casino overall we lose more than we win most but that does not matter to the IRS in determining gambling wins and losses. Much of the excess $1 trillion of debt that has been created during Trump's tenure has to do with excess spending but I think that much of it has to do with the top tax payers contributing less in revenues. It's the same thing all over again promised when the r's were able to take control of all three branches of government.

    We need someone that can work with both d's and r's and get stuff done and cut spending. I did not vote for Trump but I was hopeful that his partisanship to his 30% would give way to willingness to work with the congress and the senate to pass common sense measures that would be good for everyone. And sadly, looking at his body of work, as long as he remains in office I do not expect anything to change.

    More insults. More snake oil salesmanship. More adoration of Putin and falling in love with the Korean dictator. More obsessing over building a wall and blaming all of our social problems on people of color. More taking credit for good will and accomplishments that were actually achieved by others. More blaming others for his own ineptness and self-created problems. More undermining democracy by attacking the media for keeping us informed and telling us like it is whether we like it or not. These are just some of the underlying habits and beliefs that define Trump's presidency that will lead to further damage to our country if Trump is reelected.
    Trump didn't have anything to do with the IRS restructuring gambler's taxes. That was all done by IRS deep state who are not fans of Trump.

    You and the lefties are Putin's bitches. You are doing exactly what he was after....sowing discord in American politics. I absolutely don't buy the lefty argument that it's only Trump. That if he were gone everything would be honky dory. The lefties and mainstream media treated Reagon, Bush41 and Bush43 horribly. They've been getting progressively worse. The next Republican president will get blasted even worse than Trump.

    The main stream media is giving you the news that ISN'T!!!! All phony fake news.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Danny, debt and deficits are sure to continue to get worse if Trump gets reelected. My wife and I paid twice as much in taxes as we did before the top one tenth of one percent tax cut went into effect. Much of ours is because my wife gets a lot of hand pays each year and the ability to offset on our tax return was largely eliminated making us have to pay tax on the majority of her w2g's. Like most people that go to the casino overall we lose more than we win most but that does not matter to the IRS in determining gambling wins and losses. Much of the excess $1 trillion of debt that has been created during Trump's tenure has to do with excess spending but I think that much of it has to do with the top tax payers contributing less in revenues. It's the same thing all over again promised when the r's were able to take control of all three branches of government.

    We need someone that can work with both d's and r's and get stuff done and cut spending. I did not vote for Trump but I was hopeful that his partisanship to his 30% would give way to willingness to work with the congress and the senate to pass common sense measures that would be good for everyone. And sadly, looking at his body of work, as long as he remains in office I do not expect anything to change.

    More insults. More snake oil salesmanship. More adoration of Putin and falling in love with the Korean dictator. More obsessing over building a wall and blaming all of our social problems on people of color. More taking credit for good will and accomplishments that were actually achieved by others. More blaming others for his own ineptness and self-created problems. More undermining democracy by attacking the media for keeping us informed and telling us like it is whether we like it or not. These are just some of the underlying habits and beliefs that define Trump's presidency that will lead to further damage to our country if Trump is reelected.
    SMR,
    Thanks for the response. While I definitely don’t see things the same way I appreciate your opinion.

  16. #96

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Danny, debt and deficits are sure to continue to get worse if Trump gets reelected. My wife and I paid twice as much in taxes as we did before the top one tenth of one percent tax cut went into effect. Much of ours is because my wife gets a lot of hand pays each year and the ability to offset on our tax return was largely eliminated making us have to pay tax on the majority of her w2g's. Like most people that go to the casino overall we lose more than we win most but that does not matter to the IRS in determining gambling wins and losses. Much of the excess $1 trillion of debt that has been created during Trump's tenure has to do with excess spending but I think that much of it has to do with the top tax payers contributing less in revenues. It's the same thing all over again promised when the r's were able to take control of all three branches of government.

    We need someone that can work with both d's and r's and get stuff done and cut spending. I did not vote for Trump but I was hopeful that his partisanship to his 30% would give way to willingness to work with the congress and the senate to pass common sense measures that would be good for everyone. And sadly, looking at his body of work, as long as he remains in office I do not expect anything to change.

    More insults. More snake oil salesmanship. More adoration of Putin and falling in love with the Korean dictator. More obsessing over building a wall and blaming all of our social problems on people of color. More taking credit for good will and accomplishments that were actually achieved by others. More blaming others for his own ineptness and self-created problems. More undermining democracy by attacking the media for keeping us informed and telling us like it is whether we like it or not. These are just some of the underlying habits and beliefs that define Trump's presidency that will lead to further damage to our country if Trump is reelected.
    SMR,
    Thanks for the response. While I definitely don’t see things the same way I appreciate your opinion.


    Wow, What a classy post dannyj.

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Sounds as if someone wants to make a 2020 popular vote wager.
    Looking for suckers, Redietz? It looks like Rob has been right about you all along. You're on here trying to hustle up money. Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. You seem to think my political views make me believe Trump is a shoo-in in 2020. Nothing could be further from the truth. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
    LOL. Don't let me put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you just admitted that the "everyone else" you mention above is outnumbered by the "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities, and rich elites." So, if that's the case, then isn't that the way democracies are supposed to work -- you know, the folks who outnumber the other folks (and vote) get their candidates in office? Or is it supposed to work another way?

    Trump is obviously not a shoo-in, precisely because the, ahem, poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities (soon to not be minorities), rich elites, and let's not forget the socialists -- they outnumber the "everyone else." Plus the "everyone elses" are older and dying off faster than the list previously mentioned. Now last I checked, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that was the way democracies worked.

    Of course, if you're advocating for something other than a democracy, I'm all ears.

    Two notes from me:

    1) I was horrified to find the kind of blowback Biden caught from Latino organizations for stating a couple of practical immigration policies. I cannot believe that family reunification is supposed to (pardon the pun) trump the pragmatics of immigration. The United States does not have unlimited resources, regardless of how much we blow on defense spending.

    2) Conservative radio host Joe Walsh delivered some hard-hitting anti-Trump interviews in the last few days, basically finally saying what I can't believe conservatives have kept a lid on for months.
    Redietz, this might be the stupidist post you've ever made. You imply I'm against fair elections. GTFO. The "everyone else" I'm referring to is the working class who have taken it up the ass for 30 years while your precious democrats take care of the poor/minorities/gays/immigrants. The working class is sick and tired of no representation. And then that "if you're advocating for something other than a democracy" bullshit. Get the fuck out you fucking buffoon. Or should I say "If you are advocating for a civil war I'm all ears."

    PS: Joe Walsh is a wingnut.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 08-16-2019 at 04:16 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Looking for suckers, Redietz? It looks like Rob has been right about you all along. You're on here trying to hustle up money. Everyone knows Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million. You seem to think my political views make me believe Trump is a shoo-in in 2020. Nothing could be further from the truth. I never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
    LOL. Don't let me put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you just admitted that the "everyone else" you mention above is outnumbered by the "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities, and rich elites." So, if that's the case, then isn't that the way democracies are supposed to work -- you know, the folks who outnumber the other folks (and vote) get their candidates in office? Or is it supposed to work another way?

    Trump is obviously not a shoo-in, precisely because the, ahem, poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities (soon to not be minorities), rich elites, and let's not forget the socialists -- they outnumber the "everyone else." Plus the "everyone elses" are older and dying off faster than the list previously mentioned. Now last I checked, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that was the way democracies worked.

    Of course, if you're advocating for something other than a democracy, I'm all ears.

    Two notes from me:

    1) I was horrified to find the kind of blowback Biden caught from Latino organizations for stating a couple of practical immigration policies. I cannot believe that family reunification is supposed to (pardon the pun) trump the pragmatics of immigration. The United States does not have unlimited resources, regardless of how much we blow on defense spending.

    2) Conservative radio host Joe Walsh delivered some hard-hitting anti-Trump interviews in the last few days, basically finally saying what I can't believe conservatives have kept a lid on for months.
    Redietz, this might be the stupidist post you've ever made. You imply I'm against fair elections. GTFO. The "everyone else" I'm referring to is the working class who have taken it up the ass for 30 years while your precious democrats take care of the poor/minorities/gays/immigrants. The working class is sick and tired of no representation. And then that "if you're advocating for something other than a democracy" bullshit. Get the fuck out you fucking buffoon. Or should I say "If you are advocating for a civil war I'm all ears."

    PS: Joe Walsh is a wingnut.

    You know, mickey, the "working class," which by your definition doesn't include "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities" and socialists, I suppose, evidently doesn't outnumber "everybody else" (according to you). So what's your beef? If they haven't voted their interests, and they're outnumbered, what exactly are you complaining about? You don't like a two party system with nobody catering to the working class? Great -- welcome to the club. You may be a card-carrying communist and not know it.

    Meanwhile, mickey aside, here's a column by an author whose book, The Death of Expertise, I loved. He's an international specialist with a Russia focus who teaches at the U.S. Naval War College. Not exactly a wingnut.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...an/2013614001/

    I have absolutely no idea how anyone following Trump for 40 years could possibly draw the conclusion he would be a working class champion. It requires you to prioritize what he said for 18 months during the campaign over what actions he took for 35 years. We're talking about 3500 lawsuits against subcontractors or launched by subcontractors because he refused to pay them. It was his standard operating procedure. If that's how you make decisions, okay, more power to you.

    Trump was so desperate for loans in the early 90's, he tried to acquire some money from Las Vegas sources. The conversations did not go well. He then began his relationship with Deutsche Bank -- after what most people would consider a last ditch effort.
    Last edited by redietz; 08-16-2019 at 06:52 AM.

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Just curious. What damage to the country are you most afraid of if Trump is re-elected?
    If it’s debt and deficits I share your concern, but I also don’t think any of the present democrat candidates would do anything to slow that down. They have too many free stuff promises. They could raise taxes dramatically but that would just send the economy back into recession while still running deficits.
    So, I don’t want to put words in your mouth, what are you most worried about if Trump gets another 4 years?
    Trump is a moron. If you don't believe me just ask his former Secretary of State. I really do fear the most of anything is he will get us into another war, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him cross the line and use nukes.
    MWP, this is the same criticism liberals had with Reagon, but it never happened. In fact, the reverse happened. We toppled the Soviet Union without firing a shot. Having a strong military and nukes works.

    As far using nukes, this gets a bad rap from liberals. Nukes work and save lives. Look at World War II, those nukes saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides, the Japanese and Americans. The nukes were good for both counties.

    Here is a little history for you...history that the liberals won’t acknowledge. Japan was defeated but wouldn’t quite, which was taken a toll on our country and theirs. After a couple nukes, Japan got the message and surrendered, saving a lot of Japanese lives.

    So you know what, dropping a couple nukes here and there on counties that aren’t behaving might not be such a bad thing. In all seriousness having the compacity to drop nukes when someone gets out of line is why there are less wars today. So here’s a shout out to nukes.

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