Originally Posted by
mickeycrimm
Originally Posted by
redietz
LOL. Don't let me put words in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you just admitted that the "everyone else" you mention above is outnumbered by the "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities, and rich elites." So, if that's the case, then isn't that the way democracies are supposed to work -- you know, the folks who outnumber the other folks (and vote) get their candidates in office? Or is it supposed to work another way?
Trump is obviously not a shoo-in, precisely because the, ahem, poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities (soon to not be minorities), rich elites, and let's not forget the socialists -- they outnumber the "everyone else." Plus the "everyone elses" are older and dying off faster than the list previously mentioned. Now last I checked, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought that was the way democracies worked.
Of course, if you're advocating for something other than a democracy, I'm all ears.
Two notes from me:
1) I was horrified to find the kind of blowback Biden caught from Latino organizations for stating a couple of practical immigration policies. I cannot believe that family reunification is supposed to (pardon the pun) trump the pragmatics of immigration. The United States does not have unlimited resources, regardless of how much we blow on defense spending.
2) Conservative radio host Joe Walsh delivered some hard-hitting anti-Trump interviews in the last few days, basically finally saying what I can't believe conservatives have kept a lid on for months.
Redietz, this might be the stupidist post you've ever made. You imply I'm against fair elections. GTFO. The "everyone else" I'm referring to is the working class who have taken it up the ass for 30 years while your precious democrats take care of the poor/minorities/gays/immigrants. The working class is sick and tired of no representation. And then that "if you're advocating for something other than a democracy" bullshit. Get the fuck out you fucking buffoon. Or should I say "If you are advocating for a civil war I'm all ears."
PS: Joe Walsh is a wingnut.
You know, mickey, the "working class," which by your definition doesn't include "poor/welfare class, gays, immigrants, minorities" and socialists, I suppose, evidently doesn't outnumber "everybody else" (according to you). So what's your beef? If they haven't voted their interests, and they're outnumbered, what exactly are you complaining about? You don't like a two party system with nobody catering to the working class? Great -- welcome to the club. You may be a card-carrying communist and not know it.
Meanwhile, mickey aside, here's a column by an author whose book, The Death of Expertise, I loved. He's an international specialist with a Russia focus who teaches at the U.S. Naval War College. Not exactly a wingnut.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...an/2013614001/
I have absolutely no idea how anyone following Trump for 40 years could possibly draw the conclusion he would be a working class champion. It requires you to prioritize what he said for 18 months during the campaign over what actions he took for 35 years. We're talking about 3500 lawsuits against subcontractors or launched by subcontractors because he refused to pay them. It was his standard operating procedure. If that's how you make decisions, okay, more power to you.
Trump was so desperate for loans in the early 90's, he tried to acquire some money from Las Vegas sources. The conversations did not go well. He then began his relationship with Deutsche Bank -- after what most people would consider a last ditch effort.