Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
No, you got banned for breaking an agreement. Whether or not the agreement was fair it doesn't really matter, you shouldn't have agreed to it.

It's obvious he was talking about CERTAIN things said on the other forums wouldn't carry over to wizard of Vegas. There's no way he could fathom every single situation that might occur, sometimes rules need to be changed as you go along. I guarantee you he doesn't even know half the s*** you had said about him on the other Forum. I know some of you guys love to believe he was reading that, but I guarantee you he wasn't. I wouldn't doubt if Norm was reading it and feeding some of the crap you said to him. But your ban was long before you started posting all that garbage over there. I think you know what you have to do to get back on the wizard of Vegas, either do it or don't, it's your decision. I highly doubt you'll ever be let back on that site without any type of apology or something like that. I'm fairly sure Mike's Banned people he actually likes in person from the site and won't even let those people back on.

You know damn well you should have just settled down chilled out for a while and let some things play out and then brought your case back up.

And since then you've broken the rules many times by creating sock puppets over there, it doesn't matter what your reason is for creating sock puppets you did, you got caught breaking the rules.
Really? someone <- was feeding some of the crap I said to Mike? Who would that have been?

Officially I was banned for something I said at ZenZone forum. I was banned at WoV about 2 hours after my post at ZenZone Forum. Am I to believe that Mr. Shackleford is a big reader of ZenZone Forum? I can guarantee he never read it until that day....and probably hasn't since. But crybaby Norm Wattenberger reads it and he immediately contacted Mike and directed him there. That is more proof that's Norm had one agenda....to get me banned. He never cared about participating at WoV and he used Mike. Doesn't that count for anything?


Now just so everybody knows what Axelwolf is referring to, several of the guys, Axel, MaxPen, not sure about RS_, have recently discussed with Mike the possibility of my returning to WoV. But Mike has set terms that I can not....WILL NOT agree to. Mike wants me to apologize to Norm Wattenberger. I have nothing to apologize to Norm Wattenberger about. He banned me from his forum, because he decided he wanted to protect someone that was intentionally misleading players with Blackjack claims that were mathematically impossible. Norm is a math guy and he knew these claims were mathematically impossible. But he decided to protect the leading poster on his forum, from several of us professional players that challenged these claims.

So Norm's forum, he had a right to do that I guess. But that wasn't enough for Norm, he followed me to 4 different forums, BJ21 which at the time he didn't participate much at, Wizard of Vegas where he hadn't participated in 5 years, and 2+2 poker forum, and GamblingForums where he created accounts just to feud with me. And at each of these forums, he pressured the forum owners and administrators to ban me. Three of these forum owners/administrators told Norm to fuck off. Only Michael Shackleford gave in to Norms demand because according to Mike, he owed Norm a favor.

Norm Wattenberger has a history of feuds with numerous people in the blackjack community and he has a history of threatening forum owners with legal action. He is a real sleazebag. A very small human being. I will NOT apologize to this asshole. And I am not sorry for anything I have said about him.

Now Mike on the other hand, I do regret most of the things I said about him. While he was wrong for allowing Norm to bully him and ban a real member of his forum, a member who tried to contribute positively for 4 years, I do realize that Mike was put in a bad situation because he considered Norm his friend at the time. I was hard on Mike, said some really nasty things that I do regret. I always liked and respected Mike Shackleford. I admire that he left his cushy Govt job to follow his passion. I am genuinely happy for the success he had in selling his business. I only wish I had a tenth of his mathematical ability.

But this hold that Norm continues to have over Mike is bizarre, especially after Norm ceased participating at WoV after he got what he wanted, proving what his intent was. I don't know what the deal is with these guys, but I will never apologize to Norm as a condition of anything! And for Mike to even ask that, diminishes my view of him.