GWAE episode with "The Doc"

[kewlJ]

So this evening driving between casinos, I listened to Part 2 of Gambling with an Edge episode featuring "the Doc". Doc is not a professional blackjack player, he is a medical doctor. But he is very serious about his card counting/AP career, treats it very professionally and has plans to play professionally when he retires from his medical career. I was very impressed with his professional approach. Kudos to "Doc" or "the Doc" for an informative and well done episode.

I strongly recommend both aspiring card counters (if there are any on this forum) as well as professional players take a listen to Doc. I found myself agreeing with almost everything he said, with the possible exception that a player can afford a little bit of cover. There are some low cost cover techniques that do make a difference as far as longevity.

During the interview it was mentioned that "the Doc" participates on at least one of the gambling/AP forums. I am not really familiar with "the Doc" from any forums. There is "Doc" at WoV, but I am not familiar with him being this serious of a blackjack player. Anyone know if this is the same "Doc"?

[AxelWolf]

For the love of God, how many God damn episodes on gambling with an edge is about blackjack. I was about to listen to it today when I thought f*** this is the same s*** over and over and over.

[kewlJ]

For the love of God, how many God damn episodes on gambling with an edge is about blackjack. I was about to listen to it today when I thought f*** this is the same s*** over and over and over.

Well that's because you guys that do other AP things, are tight lipped and won't go on GWAE and discuss anything. Mickeycrimm was one of the few that did.

What say you go on and share some of the stuff you do, Axelwolf? I am guessing NOT....hun?

[AxelWolf]

For the love of God, how many God damn episodes on gambling with an edge is about blackjack. I was about to listen to it today when I thought f*** this is the same s*** over and over and over.

Well that's because you guys that do other AP things, are tight lipped and won't go on GWAE and discuss anything. Mickeycrimm was one of the few that did.

What say you go on and share some of the stuff you do, Axelwolf? I am guessing NOT....hun?

I've seen plenty of other interesting topics on that show but they keep on going back to the well with the same Blackjack b*******.

[jbjb]

For the love of God, how many God damn episodes on gambling with an edge is about blackjack. I was about to listen to it today when I thought f*** this is the same s*** over and over and over.

Well that's because you guys that do other AP things, are tight lipped and won't go on GWAE and discuss anything. Mickeycrimm was one of the few that did.

What say you go on and share some of the stuff you do, Axelwolf? I am guessing NOT....hun?

I've seen plenty of other interesting topics on that show but they keep on going back to the well with the same Blackjack b*******.

I'll reiterate something I said a few days ago:

"Card counting is boring. Talking about it online is 10,000x more boring"

[MaxPen]

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[kewlJ]

I've seen plenty of other interesting topics on that show but they keep on going back to the well with the same Blackjack b*******.

Obviously I feel differently about the blackjack episodes. I love hearing accounts of different players journeys. But that is just me.

But I will give you that I would like to see some episodes focusing on things like the different technologies that casinos are now employing. Things like the NORA technology. These things should be public enemy #1 for ALL AP's, including, maybe especially the team oriented machine type players.

[MaxPen]

I've seen plenty of other interesting topics on that show but they keep on going back to the well with the same Blackjack b*******.

Obviously I feel differently about the blackjack episodes. I love hearing accounts of different players journeys. But that is just me.

But I will give you that I would like to see some episodes focusing on things like the different technologies that casinos are now employing. Things like the NORA technology. These things should be public enemy #1 for ALL AP's, including, maybe especially the team oriented machine type players.

Most casinos can't figure out how to use half of the technology that they actually possess to near it's level of potential effectiveness. NORA has been around for almost a decade and I would say has next to zero effect on an astute machine AP.

[accountinquestion]

The thing about BJ is it is widely appealing. Most AP stuff you can't practice quite thoroughly at home nor is it as widely discussed. BJ is like the only real AP thing where you can learn it at home, know your casino, show up and apply it. It is great for part-time weekend warrior type APing.

[AxelWolf]

I can't argue with this.

[AxelWolf]

The thing about BJ is it is widely appealing. Most AP stuff you can't practice quite thoroughly at home nor is it as widely discussed. BJ is like the only real AP thing where you can learn it at home, know your casino, show up and apply it. It is great for part-time weekend warrior type APing.

I can't argue with this.

[tableplay]

It was a great episode IMHO (just like the week before). The show could have a lot more great guests though if Dancer the Clown was replaced. For example, in one recent week they had some woman on (probably eye-candy) named "Black Asian" who didn't know you should never play casino games if you don't have an edge - she was a supposed BJ counter.

[jbjb]

It was a great episode IMHO (just like the week before). The show could have a lot more great guests though if Dancer the Clown was replaced. For example, in one recent week they had some woman on (probably eye-candy) named "Black Asian" who didn't know you should never play casino games if you don't have an edge - she was a supposed BJ counter.

Piss on Dancer. He NEEDS a players card to be profitable. Revoke them, and he's just another ploppie in the wind.

[tableplay]

It was a great episode IMHO (just like the week before). The show could have a lot more great guests though if Dancer the Clown was replaced. For example, in one recent week they had some woman on (probably eye-candy) named "Black Asian" who didn't know you should never play casino games if you don't have an edge - she was a supposed BJ counter.

Piss on Dancer. He NEEDS a players card to be profitable. Revoke them, and he's just another ploppie in the wind.

Yup.

[jbjb]

It was a great episode IMHO (just like the week before). The show could have a lot more great guests though if Dancer the Clown was replaced. For example, in one recent week they had some woman on (probably eye-candy) named "Black Asian" who didn't know you should never play casino games if you don't have an edge - she was a supposed BJ counter.

Piss on Dancer. He NEEDS a players card to be profitable. Revoke them, and he's just another ploppie in the wind.

Yup.

Also, he shills for one of the SWEATIEST casinos in the Vegas area.

[AxelWolf]

I have to disagree with this About Bob dancer. He's able to figure out lots of different angles and take advantage of them. He started out doing those types of things. The question would be, if he had to abandon the high limit play stuff with thin edges would he be motivated enough to actually do some of the other things needed in order to make money? I have no doubt the guy is smart enough to master any aspect of the AP if he his mind and time into it. There is no doubt he has the connections to get involved with any aspect of Advantage play. A fairly certain that people would be willing to teach and spoon-feed him all the information he needed or wanted. And he either has the bank roll or can get a hold of it in order to do those things without the fear of losing.

[tableplay]

I have to disagree with this About Bob dancer. He's able to figure out lots of different angles and take advantage of them. He started out doing those types of things. The question would be, if he had to abandon the high limit play stuff with thin edges would he be motivated enough to actually do some of the other things needed in order to make money? I have no doubt the guy is smart enough to master any aspect of the AP if he his mind and time into it. There is no doubt he has the connections to get involved with any aspect of Advantage play. A fairly certain that people would be willing to teach and spoon-feed him all the information he needed or wanted. And he either has the bank roll or can get a hold of it in order to do those things without the fear of losing.

Hopefully you'll at least agree that the guy's a dick. It's quite a deterrent to getting good guests on. Sure the show has some excellent people on like Math Boy,Rob Reitzen, Mickey, and so forth, but it's hit and miss. I concede your point that if Dancer is spoon fed he could learn some shit.

[jbjb]

I have to disagree with this About Bob dancer. He's able to figure out lots of different angles and take advantage of them. He started out doing those types of things. The question would be, if he had to abandon the high limit play stuff with thin edges would he be motivated enough to actually do some of the other things needed in order to make money? I have no doubt the guy is smart enough to master any aspect of the AP if he his mind and time into it. There is no doubt he has the connections to get involved with any aspect of Advantage play. A fairly certain that people would be willing to teach and spoon-feed him all the information he needed or wanted. And he either has the bank roll or can get a hold of it in order to do those things without the fear of losing.

Sure he, and anyone, can figure these things. Mine, and many others, issues is he MUST use players cards. To us, that's a very weak form of AP because you aren't AP'ing the game. You're AP'ing the marketing department.

As I said, take away all of his cards and he wouldn't be much of an AP playing VP.

[DGenBen]

I have to disagree with this About Bob dancer. He's able to figure out lots of different angles and take advantage of them. He started out doing those types of things. The question would be, if he had to abandon the high limit play stuff with thin edges would he be motivated enough to actually do some of the other things needed in order to make money? I have no doubt the guy is smart enough to master any aspect of the AP if he his mind and time into it. There is no doubt he has the connections to get involved with any aspect of Advantage play. A fairly certain that people would be willing to teach and spoon-feed him all the information he needed or wanted. And he either has the bank roll or can get a hold of it in order to do those things without the fear of losing.

Sure he, and anyone, can figure these things. Mine, and many others, issues is he MUST use players cards. To us, that's a very weak form of AP because you aren't AP'ing the game. You're AP'ing the marketing department.

As I said, take away all of his cards and he wouldn't be much of an AP playing VP.

How much VP could an AP AP if an AP could only AP VP with no PCC?

[tableplay]

I have to disagree with this About Bob dancer. He's able to figure out lots of different angles and take advantage of them. He started out doing those types of things. The question would be, if he had to abandon the high limit play stuff with thin edges would he be motivated enough to actually do some of the other things needed in order to make money? I have no doubt the guy is smart enough to master any aspect of the AP if he his mind and time into it. There is no doubt he has the connections to get involved with any aspect of Advantage play. A fairly certain that people would be willing to teach and spoon-feed him all the information he needed or wanted. And he either has the bank roll or can get a hold of it in order to do those things without the fear of losing.

Sure he, and anyone, can figure these things. Mine, and many others, issues is he MUST use players cards. To us, that's a very weak form of AP because you aren't AP'ing the game. You're AP'ing the marketing department.

As I said, take away all of his cards and he wouldn't be much of an AP playing VP.

How much VP could an AP AP if an AP could only AP VP with no PCC?

Dancer the Clown, that's his name
Shilling for comps, that's his game
Looking for tokes, by blowing out folks
and if he gives you an evil look
you'll end up in the Griffin Book
Reporting on Plays to bosses
resulting in APs' uncountable losses
it's a list that never ends
and so it is that he has few friends