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  1. #101
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Thanks for the kind words. So you've been following my extended family? Great! My nephew scored two touchdowns last Friday for the North Schuylkill Spartans. The team looks loaded. I can post some photos from the Pottsville Republican if you like. Meanwhile, I'll be doing a blog entry on Hall Publishing's 1984 Who's Who in Sports Gambling in a week or two. At the time, it was a valiant effort by Rick Hall to promote honest handicappers. I'll let everyone know when it's up so my bio isn't much of a secret.

    Thanks again.
    1984!??? Seems like only yesterday
    Right about the same time you began spawning a family?
    George Orwell would be proud.
    You're OOZING success red. In fact, you've earned the right to retire early.
    Oh wait.............

    Well, right on cue, I received the annual Wise Guys Contest opening lines. For those who are unfamiliar with The Wise Guys Contest, it is a bit similar to the Blackjack Ball. It is invitation-only, and limited to established long-time handicappers. The number of participants allowed has varied over the years, but they seem to have settled on 50 or thereabouts for 2019. For those interested:

    www.vegaswiseguys.com

    So I don't think I've been resting on laurels for 30 years. Meanwhile, and correct me if I'm wrong, but "Singer" seems to be suggesting I should have retired. The implication is that retirement is preferable to "working." To that odd idea, let me offer a classic:


    https://www.bing.com/search?q=takin%...fb631cde8b74b3
    Weird. Just plain weird.

    You'd retire....if you could.

  2. #102
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    .
    My my how impressive. More harsh words from our resident senile old drunk. #getsomehelp[/QUOTE]

    Damn, Vegas Fag. You're not much of a social justice warrior. Here you are all huffy and puffy about gay bashing but you sure don't have a problem bashing seniors. That's age discrimination, isn't it? You need to bone up on SJWship, or are you just a fucking hypocrite?

    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #103
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    .
    My my how impressive. More harsh words from our resident senile old drunk. #getsomehelp


    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.[/QUOTE]

    30 months, congratulations. Incredible accomplishment for anyone, but you made it look easy.

  4. #104
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    1984!??? Seems like only yesterday
    Right about the same time you began spawning a family?
    George Orwell would be proud.
    You're OOZING success red. In fact, you've earned the right to retire early.
    Oh wait.............

    Well, right on cue, I received the annual Wise Guys Contest opening lines. For those who are unfamiliar with The Wise Guys Contest, it is a bit similar to the Blackjack Ball. It is invitation-only, and limited to established long-time handicappers. The number of participants allowed has varied over the years, but they seem to have settled on 50 or thereabouts for 2019. For those interested:

    www.vegaswiseguys.com

    So I don't think I've been resting on laurels for 30 years. Meanwhile, and correct me if I'm wrong, but "Singer" seems to be suggesting I should have retired. The implication is that retirement is preferable to "working." To that odd idea, let me offer a classic:


    https://www.bing.com/search?q=takin%...fb631cde8b74b3
    Weird. Just plain weird.

    You'd retire....if you could.
    LOL. Some of us are at the height of our abilities. We don't need glitches to get the job done. In case anybody missed it:

    www.vegaswiseguys.com

  5. #105
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.
    Considering the boat load of faul crap that continues to stream out of your mouth this claim of 30 months of sobriety is as believable as Singer's martingale VP bullshit. #getsomehelpoldtimer

  6. #106
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.
    Considering the boat load of faul crap that continues to stream out of your mouth this claim of 30 months of sobriety is as believable as Singer's martingale VP bullshit. #getsomehelpoldtimer
    Who gives a rats ass what your punk ass believes? Now, you’re late for giving kJ his daily head job.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #107
    Now go pee in the women's room.[/QUOTE]

    Speaking of this, I recently used the restroom at a gas station and noticed both bathrooms were labeled “all-gender.” In this case they were single person restrooms with a lock so no difference I guess other than reducing wait times when one occupied.

  8. #108
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.
    Considering the boat load of faul crap that continues to stream out of your mouth this claim of 30 months of sobriety is as believable as Singer's martingale VP bullshit. #getsomehelpoldtimer
    Who gives a rats ass what your punk ass believes? Now, you’re late for giving kJ his daily head job.
    Hitting the sauce early today huh Rambo…….#getsomehelpfastoldtimer

  9. #109
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post



    Thanks for reminding me. I've just completed 30 months without a drink. So much for senile old drunk. Now go pee in the women's room.
    30 months, congratulations. Incredible accomplishment for anyone, but you made it look easy.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks, Boz.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #110
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post

    Considering the boat load of faul crap that continues to stream out of your mouth this claim of 30 months of sobriety is as believable as Singer's martingale VP bullshit. #getsomehelpoldtimer
    Who gives a rats ass what your punk ass believes? Now, you’re late for giving kJ his daily head job.
    Hitting the sauce early today huh Rambo…….#getsomehelpfastoldtimer
    Yep. Tabasco Sauce. Gotta have it on ham and eggs in the morning. Now go hug kj’s neck, gay boy.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #111
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I Have a great idea KJ, I think almost everyone including yourself wood agree you took a giant step across the line. Show some actual remorse and step up and stop going back and forth with me on this if there's ever a chance for it to be forgiven and forgotten. For once in your life just ends something without having to have the last word.
    Really, you think I am going to let you talk trash and lie and not respond? How convenient.

    First I didn’t cross any line. I threatened to. And you know I had no intention of doing so. And if you didn’t know that, then you seriously are no where near as smart as I give you credit for.

    Secondly this “ever a chance” thing. This is something you have been playing me with for years now. You always tell me how you are working on Mike and to be patient and stuff. But what you really want is me to just be quiet and not criticise Mike. You are essentially trying to buy time with this bullshit. For proof: I give you almost 4 years and counting. Dickwad. Btw THAT is the definition of two faced

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    KJ you have caused stiff and deviation across multiple forums with just about everyone you have communicated with on a regular basis. How you and anybody with just a small glimpse of your history can't see that is beyond me.
    Misrepresentation (lie). I have participated on 3 legitimate blackjack/AP forums. The original BJinfo (ken smith), BJ21, and WoV. In all cases I participated positively sharing my experiences and hoping to learn from others and their experiences. Have there been some personality conflicts….sure. The exact same as you have had.

    BJinfo: 5 years. I had one minor dustup with a member that organized an annual gathering. When I didn’t want to attend, he began challenging my credibility and claims (even though my claims were pretty small at the time. (I was making 25-40k a year) Eventually we became online friends communicating privately by email for many years. Not to disparage him, but my instinct about this gathering was proven right, when many of the attendees not only lost that weekend, but began experiencing database/heat issues soon after.

    Yes, I did do the fake death thing at this forum, after being robbed at gunpoint outside my condo. I thought this might alleviate some concerns I had about future and ongoing potential robberies. This was a rash decision and a mistake on many levels. I have apologized numerous times, but that will obviously never be enough for those looking to hold something over me….even people who were not on that forum and involved....like YOU. Anything to discredit someone right Axel?

    BJtheForum (Qfit’s forum) I helped start this forum. When BJinfo shut down and the membership was hesitant to participate on a forum run by Norm, I made the first 6 post and encouraged others to join. For 3 years I participated with no issues. Norm has a helpful rating (which I never cared for as it makes it a popularity contest) and I have the second highest helpful rating at the time behind bigplayer a 20 year professional player on one of the top BJ teams. Even 4 years removed from the forum, and having had posts removed by Norm, I remain one of the top “helpful ratings”. I am not going to rehash the challenging of impossible claims that lead to my banning other than to say as a professional player, I have every right to challenge impossible and misleading claims. With everything that has happened, I would do it again. It was the right thing to do. AND I have been proven to have been right.

    BJ21: I didn’t really care that much for the membership at this forum. Stuffy is the word that comes to mind. A lot of older guys, who at one time had great success, that didn’t play much anymore and sort of looked down on the younger players. But I participated off and on for 5 years, trying to contribute positively and had no real issues. I won post of the month (POM) which is an honor that comes with a small cash reward and inclusion in the POM archives. Most POM were technical, mathematical posts. I was recognized for sharing my unique approach to the game. I am rather proud of that. Had zero issue until Norm (qfit) showed up after a long absence from the forum demanding that I be banned. The owner and administrator said “no, you don’t get to bring your feud here and demand anything”. (something other forum owners would have been well advised to follow).

    WoV: I am not going to rehash the Qfit thing, I think it is wll known. But prior to that 4 years of contributing positively with no issues.

    So no, I don’t see this problem child image you are trying to portray as per legitimate forums. Now if you are referring to Gambling Forums (GF) or this forum (VCT). These are troll forums. Everyone that participates here, yourself included is involved in trolling, attacks and game playing. And everyone that stays, both of us included must have some issues.

    I mean on this site, how could I have NOT been involved with trolling and attacks, since after my very first post here, YOU, Axelwolf announced to the forum that I was gay via one of your ever so cute jokes. That opened the door to 2 years of attacks by the likes of a Rob Singer….which is exactly what you wanted.

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I mean come on dude, the FBI getting involved, fake deaths, threatening to expose Advantage players name and photographs, exposing PM's, talk of physical confrontations, sending letters to Mikes personal address, researching people's personal information, and that's just the short list.
    I already addressed the fake death, and again will dispute that you knew the thread was an idol threat, you just want to play it up and continue to throw it in my face despite you cute little PM to “forgive and forget”. This sir, is the second example of “two faced”.

    The letter to Mike: probably a bad idea. Maybe crossed a line although my intent was only to continue a dialogue. Mike and I had a pretty decent dialogue going after my banning, considering the circumstances. At one point we had all but reached an agreement for my return, when he informed me he had to get Norm’s approval. I am not even going to guess at what this is about. This is some hold Norm had over Mike, Anyway you can guess the agreement between Mike and I was refused by Norm. Despite all this I continued to believe Mike was really a reasonable and decent guy and tried everything I could to keep an avenue of communication open….hense the letter. If that was wrong….so be it

    The FBI: Not sure what this is a reference to. The nut job at the ‘funny farm’ frequently references this. Are you reading too much of his crazy talk? I did contact the police twice, 3 years apart, regarding physical threats including the threat to find me and shoot me. The first time was sort of non-chalantly dismissed by authorities as internet “stuff”. But only 3 years later things had changed a great deal, which shows the climate about “internet stuff” these days.

    So the second time I contacted the police they have a unit coordinating with other agencies from other departments and were able to immediately pull up information on this person. While I didn’t have any contact with FBI, I suspect they may be part of this coordination. I also suspect different forum owners played a part in cooperating with authorities. Dan may or may not want to confirm. But if you are doubting me, I have documentation that I can provide (only privately), although my goal is to de-escalate this issue rather than escalate.

    Exposing PM’s: This is one I don’t do lightly. I have many people that I communicate with privately. Most by email. Some by PM.

    I have revealed PM’s by 2, mike and now you. Both cases are not related to AP discussions as I hold that kind of communication private and would not violate that trust. Both these incidents are more related to the trolling he said/she said stuff. And I simply don’t know what else to do, when I have 2 people, you and Mike that lie like this, saying or acting one way privately while the complete opposite publicly. This would be the 3rd example of you being two-faced.

    I guess the one I feel worst about occurred yesterday, when I revealed that you told me that you brother was gay. But that was to emphasize just how inappropriate all your gay remarks are. You play them off as joking. When it is constant barrage like you do, it is not funny and certainly not meant as friendly.

    And while you chose not to answer the questions, I would like an answer, so I will ask again. Is this the way you talk to you brother...complete lack of respect? And would you find acceptable the things said about me, being said of your brother?


    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The worsts you can claim about me is that I'm forum trolling asshole and a jerk at that, but at least I'm not a possible rat.
    I will ask for clarification on this “rat” comment, because as you know, several people like Moses and at times Zenking have suggested I am a casino employee. An accusation that ridiculous as it is, I don’t take likely. I hope you weren’t stooping to THAT level.

    This is a good place to close. Kudos to admitting that you are a “forum trolling asshole”. And you ARE! And as I said earlier in fairness, probably all of us have some issues in this department or we wouldn't continue to participate on these troll forums.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-03-2019 at 11:32 AM.

  12. #112
    Despite Mickeycrimms constant barrage of homophobic hate attacks at me, I too offer my congratulation on 30 months sober. Now that is quite an accomplishment! Far surpasses any claim I have seen on this forum, including my own.

    So in all sincerely Mickey? Do you miss it? any brief falling off the wagon? any desire? Since by your AP posts, you detailed many places you play are sort of like bar places....any temptation with that?

    Continued success with this endeavor.

  13. #113
    OMG everything axel said about kew is spot on! He can't just let anything go. He denies just about everything. He's had a long list of forum troubles before he came here. He's always right/everyone else is always wrong. And he always (neurotically) has to have the very last word--no matter how self-humiliating it is. I'd like to add one more: He just can't keep his word and stay away when he quits, even at times like now when it's in his best interest to do so. That along with a few of these others bring his mental stability into question (like the delusional "casino surveillance looks at you but not me!" nonsense.)

    Get the high blood pressure pills out!

  14. #114
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Really, you think I am going to let you talk trash and lie and not respond? How convenient.

    First I didn’t cross any line. I threatened to. And you know I had no intention of doing so. And if you didn’t know that, then you seriously are no where near as smart as I give you credit for.

    Secondly this “ever a chance” thing. This is something you have been playing me with for years now. You always tell me how you are working on Mike and to be patient and stuff. But what you really want is me to just be quiet and not criticise Mike. You are essentially trying to buy time with this bullshit. For proof: I give you almost 4 years and counting. Dickwad. Btw THAT is the definition of two faced



    Misrepresentation (lie). I have participated on 3 legitimate blackjack/AP forums. The original BJinfo (ken smith), BJ21, and WoV. In all cases I participated positively sharing my experiences and hoping to learn from others and their experiences. Have there been some personality conflicts….sure. The exact same as you have had.

    BJinfo: 5 years. I had one minor dustup with a member that organized an annual gathering. When I didn’t want to attend, he began challenging my credibility and claims (even though my claims were pretty small at the time. (I was making 25-40k a year) Eventually we became online friends communicating privately by email for many years. Not to disparage him, but my instinct about this gathering was proven right, when many of the attendees not only lost that weekend, but began experiencing database/heat issues soon after.

    Yes, I did do the fake death thing at this forum, after being robbed at gunpoint outside my condo. I thought this might alleviate some concerns I had about future and ongoing potential robberies. This was a rash decision and a mistake on many levels. I have apologized numerous times, but that will obviously never be enough for those looking to hold something over me….even people who were not on that forum and involved....like YOU. Anything to discredit someone right Axel?

    BJtheForum (Qfit’s forum) I helped start this forum. When BJinfo shut down and the membership was hesitant to participate on a forum run by Norm, I made the first 6 post and encouraged others to join. For 3 years I participated with no issues. Norm has a helpful rating (which I never cared for as it makes it a popularity contest) and I have the second highest helpful rating at the time behind bigplayer a 20 year professional player on one of the top BJ teams. Even 4 years removed from the forum, and having had posts removed by Norm, I remain one of the top “helpful ratings”. I am not going to rehash the challenging of impossible claims that lead to my banning other than to say as a professional player, I have every right to challenge impossible and misleading claims. With everything that has happened, I would do it again. It was the right thing to do. AND I have been proven to have been right.

    BJ21: I didn’t really care that much for the membership at this forum. Stuffy is the word that comes to mind. A lot of older guys, who at one time had great success, that didn’t play much anymore and sort of looked down on the younger players. But I participated off and on for 5 years, trying to contribute positively and had no real issues. I won post of the month (POM) which is an honor that comes with a small cash reward and inclusion in the POM archives. Most POM were technical, mathematical posts. I was recognized for sharing my unique approach to the game. I am rather proud of that. Had zero issue until Norm (qfit) showed up after a long absence from the forum demanding that I be banned. The owner and administrator said “no, you don’t get to bring your feud here and demand anything”. (something other forum owners would have been well advised to follow).

    WoV: I am not going to rehash the Qfit thing, I think it is wll known. But prior to that 4 years of contributing positively with no issues.

    So no, I don’t see this problem child image you are trying to portray as per legitimate forums. Now if you are referring to Gambling Forums (GF) or this forum (VCT). These are troll forums. Everyone that participates here, yourself included is involved in trolling, attacks and game playing. And everyone that stays, both of us included must have some issues.

    I mean on this site, how could I have NOT been involved with trolling and attacks, since after my very first post here, YOU, Axelwolf announced to the forum that I was gay via one of your ever so cute jokes. That opened the door to 2 years of attacks by the likes of a Rob Singer….which is exactly what you wanted.

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I mean come on dude, the FBI getting involved, fake deaths, threatening to expose Advantage players name and photographs, exposing PM's, talk of physical confrontations, sending letters to Mikes personal address, researching people's personal information, and that's just the short list.
    I already addressed the fake death, and again will dispute that you knew the thread was an idol threat, you just want to play it up and continue to throw it in my face despite you cute little PM to “forgive and forget”. This sir, is the second example of “two faced”.

    The letter to Mike: probably a bad idea. Maybe crossed a line although my intent was only to continue a dialogue. Mike and I had a pretty decent dialogue going after my banning, considering the circumstances. At one point we had all but reached an agreement for my return, when he informed me he had to get Norm’s approval. I am not even going to guess at what this is about. This is some hold Norm had over Mike, Anyway you can guess the agreement between Mike and I was refused by Norm. Despite all this I continued to believe Mike was really a reasonable and decent guy and tried everything I could to keep an avenue of communication open….hense the letter. If that was wrong….so be it

    The FBI: Not sure what this is a reference to. The nut job at the ‘funny farm’ frequently references this. Are you reading too much of his crazy talk? I did contact the police twice, 3 years apart, regarding physical threats including the threat to find me and shoot me. The first time was sort of non-chalantly dismissed by authorities as internet “stuff”. But only 3 years later things had changed a great deal, which shows the climate about “internet stuff” these days.

    So the second time I contacted the police they have a unit coordinating with other agencies from other departments and were able to immediately pull up information on this person. While I didn’t have any contact with FBI, I suspect they may be part of this coordination. I also suspect different forum owners played a part in cooperating with authorities. Dan may or may not want to confirm. But if you are doubting me, I have documentation that I can provide (only privately), although my goal is to de-escalate this issue rather than escalate.

    Exposing PM’s: This is one I don’t do lightly. I have many people that I communicate with privately. Most by email. Some by PM.

    I have revealed PM’s by 2, mike and now you. Both cases are not related to AP discussions as I hold that kind of communication private and would not violate that trust. Both these incidents are more related to the trolling he said/she said stuff. And I simply don’t know what else to do, when I have 2 people, you and Mike that lie like this, saying or acting one way privately while the complete opposite publicly. This would be the 3rd example of you being two-faced.

    I guess the one I feel worst about occurred yesterday, when I revealed that you told me that you brother was gay. But that was to emphasize just how inappropriate all your gay remarks are. You play them off as joking. When it is constant barrage like you do, it is not funny and certainly not meant as friendly.

    And while you chose not to answer the questions, I would like an answer, so I will ask again. Is this the way you talk to you brother...complete lack of respect? And would you find acceptable the things said about me, being said of your brother?


    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The worsts you can claim about me is that I'm forum trolling asshole and a jerk at that, but at least I'm not a possible rat.
    I will ask for clarification on this “rat” comment, because as you know, several people like Moses and at times Zenking have suggested I am a casino employee. An accusation that ridiculous as it is, I don’t take likely. I hope you weren’t stooping to THAT level.

    This is a good place to close. Kudos to admitting that you are a “forum trolling asshole”. And you ARE! And as I said earlier in fairness, probably all of us have some issues in this department or we wouldn't continue to participate on these troll forums.
    Holy fuck......TLDR

  15. #115
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    OMG everything axel said about kew is spot on! He can't just let anything go. He denies just about everything. He's had a long list of forum troubles before he came here. He's always right/everyone else is always wrong. And he always (neurotically) has to have the very last word--no matter how self-humiliating it is. I'd like to add one more: He just can't keep his word and stay away when he quits, even at times like now when it's in his best interest to do so. That along with a few of these others bring his mental stability into question (like the delusional "casino surveillance looks at you but not me!" nonsense.)

    Get the high blood pressure pills out!
    Can you imagine what his manifesto looks like.....ooof

  16. #116
    Here is the big difference between me and you guys. The truth is the truth. It doesn't change whether I like the person, or the person has done or said something recent to I disapprove of. And yeah I am talking to you MaxPen. You recently said you were sorry you stood up for me with Mike and that this proves Mike right.

    Something said yesterday, completely unrelated doesn't not change the facts of 4 years ago. You didn't do that for me, because I don't know you. You did it because it was right. You being a friend of Mike's and standing up for me showed integrity. Now all of the sudden because I have said of done something you don't care for you want to go back and alter the facts from 4 years ago? All of the sudden, I am no longer right about an incident 4 years ago?

    And that's what has happened with both you and Axel. You draw lines in the sand. You form teams. And someone does something that you don't like you want to change reality? That is pretty fucked up. The truth doesn't change based on if you like someone. That is Rob's game, and it really saddens me to see others now stooping to that level to play it.

    Now Rob....well he doesn't like the truth for different and obvious reasons.

    BTW, Rob, these posts attacking me in the last week, using personal attacks, are these from the Rob who this persona is really an act and he is completely opposite in real life? Or are these from the nasty Rob Singer who has done nothing but attack people for 20 years since long before this double up bug would have occurred and the "need" for any act? Just another ridiculous thing from Rob's mouth that isn't true and can't be true based on the timeline.

    Here is the thing about a guy lying like Rob does. He always gets caught in his own lies. And Rob does every single day. But when he does he just deflects and tries to turn the attention somewhere else, via attacks. But it doesn't work. Because your battle isn't with people pointing out the truth Rob.....your battle is with the truth and it is a battle you can not win!
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-03-2019 at 12:10 PM.

  17. #117
    Such a tortured soul.......

    However---!!

  18. #118
    Here are the facts of this thread: Michael Shackleford outed a possible AP play for about the 10th time and seemed to take great pleasure in doing so. A play that those of us that were playing paid $1000 to enter. Now in fairness, you will note that I said possible. Because there was a chance this would have had enough entries that it wasn't +EV or if it was wasn't by much. But Mike damn well made sure of it with his announcement.

    So I voice my disapproval. Immediately Mike's attack dogs come at me. Axel trolling and baiting me until I said something I regret. Had no intention of doing, but I said it. And now they all turn on me. I am the bad guy and that dates back years now. They are going to change the reality of what happened 4 years ago because I dared point out that Mike screwed AP's and likely did so at the urging of Derek Stevens himself.

    I gave AXel and RS_ and MaxPen a lot of credit for lobbying on my behalf to their friend Mike. But again, that was because I was right and they know it, not because of any love for me. Mike is their friend, but he was wrong. Kudo for being honest.

    But that integrity shown is completely washed away by this idea that something said years later and you go back and try to alter the truth and fact from 4 years ago, because you now don't like the person. I mean seriously....Is this being honest?

    BTW, while I included RS_ among Mike's friends that lobbied for me, the rest of these comments do not pertain to him. He hasn't expressed how he feels and while I suspect he doesn't approve of my idol threat a few days ago, he hasn't attempted to go back and change reality.

    RS_ is a special case to me because he is the only one of these 3 that was on Norm's site and WoV. He is one of a handful that really knows what has gone down. And his questioning of those involved has never changed because he likes me or doesn't like me at the moment. He knows what the truth is. As am example just yesterday in a discussion sort of rehashing the T3 situation at Norm's site, without mentioning me by name RS_ made reference to those that were no longer here, wrongly so. I mean just yesterday! So his "truth" didn't change because I recently did or said something he didn't like. And THAT is what TRUTH really is. It doesn't change because you one day like a person and the next don't. I mean THAT is just flat out dishonesty.

  19. #119
    And some of us are pissed off at Thorp for exposing card counting. He DID NOT discover it. Had he keep his trap shut, you'd be working at a burger joint! So shut up and quit bitching about it.

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    And some of us are pissed off at Thorp for exposing card counting. He DID NOT discover it. Had he keep his trap shut, you'd be working at a burger joint! So shut up and quit bitching about it.
    And I suppose you invented hole-carding? Where would you be without whoever shared that? That is what learning is jbjb.

    add-on: I mean really this is such a stupid argument jbjb. Michael Jorden didn't invent basketball, nor Tom Brady football. But it doesn't diminish the success that either has achieved.
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