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  1. #121
    And I'll tell you something else about Axelwolf and MaxPen. I watched you guys trolling Zenking for a solid year maybe longer. Not you too alone but you guys were among those leading the charge. Oh sure you met with him (axel) and pretended you wanted to help him, but what he needed was a little support, a mentor type thing and he got the opposite from you guys. You trolled him, pushing and pushing until he would say something and get suspended and then you would laugh about it like 7 year old girls. I would go as far as to use the word "sabotage". That is what you offered him.

    Tasha, while not an AP, so I really didn't care about anything related to Tasha, I can say the same thing. Your trolling and attacks, while this person may have deserved it....is that how grown men act? Are you really proud of that?

    And now with the new rules at WoV, eliminating or minimizing your playground activities, you move your 7 year old agenda here and step up trolling on an already problematic troll farm. I guess we can expect more of this here since Shackleford has put a stop to it at his site.

    I mean one instance, yeah, personality conflicts...they happen on forums, but numerous instances of you guys ganging up on people...that is bully behavior. I mean it seems you just live to put others down. Are you really THAT insecure? I mean Tasha/karen/whatever for Christ sakes! It really makes you feel better, bigger to troll this person and put them down?

    You guys are in your 50's...is that right? act like it.

    And BTW, Zenking and I aren't buddies or anything. He has accused me of everything from being a casino spy, to I don't know what. But despite that I don't like or appreciate some things he says....I don't go changing the truth about what occurred. THAT is what TRUTH is. And you guys did him wrong.

  2. #122
    [QUOTE=kewlJ;92268]Here are the facts of this thread: Michael Shackleford outed a possible AP play for about the 10th time and seemed to take great pleasure in doing so. A play that those of us that were playing paid $1000 to enter. Now in fairness, you will note that I said possible. Because there was a chance this would have had enough entries that it wasn't +EV or if it was wasn't by much. But Mike damn well made sure of it with his announcement.

    They have been advertising that contest for weeks on sports radio here in Chicago. All day and night.

  3. #123
    [QUOTE=regnis;92272]
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Here are the facts of this thread: Michael Shackleford outed a possible AP play for about the 10th time and seemed to take great pleasure in doing so. A play that those of us that were playing paid $1000 to enter. Now in fairness, you will note that I said possible. Because there was a chance this would have had enough entries that it wasn't +EV or if it was wasn't by much. But Mike damn well made sure of it with his announcement.

    They have been advertising that contest for weeks on sports radio here in Chicago. All day and night.
    Same type of bitching they did over the Plaza tax day promo. That thing was heavily advertised.

  4. #124
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    Last edited by MaxPen; 09-03-2019 at 01:56 PM.

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    They have been advertising that contest for weeks on sports radio here in Chicago. All day and night.
    Yes. There has been heavy TV advertising in Vegas. That proves that participation was less than they expected. And like I said, there is a good chance that when we got to this final week after final preseason games, there would have been an influx of entries. But Shackleford almost insured that. As soon as he announced entries started to increase.

    Look EVERY casino promotion gets advertised by the casino, whether through media or on their website. But there is a difference between that and one of the "leaders" of the AP community announcing it. Soon as you announce any of these things to the AP community they often die a premature death. This was fairly small scale, but that is what happened here and for like the 10th time with Shackleford.

    And this argument that I am not allowed to voice my disapproval because I have benefitted from people like Shackleford is a bunch of bullcrap.

    Every once in a while some AP/card counter comes on a forum and outs one of my better games in Vegas, whether as part of a trip report or just intentional sabotage. And EVERY time it happens...every time someone posts that XYZ casino has a great game with 5.5 of 6 decks dealt plus surrender, a couple days later, that game is back to crap, 4-4.5 decks penetration. Every time. Eventually they get back to normal, but every time, they pull back.

    So I can tell, you I don't care if it was Don Schlesinger himself, a guy I have probably learned more from than anyone, if Don were to post XYZ casino had a great game, blah, blah blah.....I would bitch at Don. That's just the way it is.

    It is no secret I don't care for Mike for other reasons, but my criticism of this play, is about him outing a play and has nothing to do with whether I like him or not. He needs to stop doing this shit!

  6. #126
    KewlJ you are so confused. I don't believe anything about the circumstances behind your banning have changed. I still think you were wrongfully banned. The fact is you threatened Mike and he thinks you're nuts. I argued that you just lashed out because you had no other recourse. But damn, look how you're carrying on now. Like some nutcase. Therefore Mike is probably right about you. I wouldn't even attempt to argue different.
    The fact that you could even go to the level of threatening, joking, whatever of outing another AP to casinos is reprehensible. That is the shit that noone in the community can overlook. That's blackball personified.
    As far as ZenKing goes. If you got to know him you would find what a good person he really is. He laughs at himself. I will let him chime in on how he views me.
    One of your problems is you don't know anyone personally. You take things you read and are twisting shit up in your head driving yourself mad. Like Axel said, you can never admit you're wrong and always need the last word.

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    KewlJ you are so confused. I don't believe anything about the circumstances behind your banning have changed. I still think you were wrongfully banned. The fact is you threatened Mike and he thinks you're nuts. I argued that you just lashed out because you had no other recourse. But damn, look how you're carrying on now. Like some nutcase. Therefore Mike is probably right about you. I wouldn't even attempt to argue different.
    The fact that you could even go to the level of threatening, joking, whatever of outing another AP to casinos is reprehensible. That is the shit that noone in the community can overlook. That's blackball personified.
    As far as ZenKing goes. If you got to know him you would find what a good person he really is. He laughs at himself. I will let him chime in on how he views me.
    One of your problems is you don't know anyone personally. You take things you read and are twisting shit up in your head driving yourself mad. Like Axel said, you can never admit you're wrong and always need the last word.
    MaxPen, I admit I am wrong all the time.

    I was wrong to threaten to out Axelwolf. (Even though I think you, he and everyone knows I wouldn't) Still wrong. I have said it about 5 times now.

    I was wrong in some of the nasty personal things I said about Mike over the years. I have said THAT numerous times. Not for criticizing what occurred as far as my banning, but for the person comments/attacks.

    I have expressed regret for things I said about coach belly in reference to pedophilia.

    I even regret some things I said about Rob. Not challenging his claims, especially the singer progression wager thing overcoming -EV. I have every right to do that, but some of the personal stuff. I have received 100x worse back from him, but that doesn't make going in the gutter right.

    I regret how far I took the Norm comments in the aftermath. Norm is a very bad person, in my opinion. He has had similar feud as mine with many many people, including a number of top people in the AP community (especially blackjack AP community). He is a math guy so I know he knew that I and the other professional players were right and that the guy he was protecting was wrong. And that irks me. That means he chose the number 1 (in quantity) poster on his forum over the math for which he has dedicated a good deal of his life and is best known for. He chose traffic for his forum, hoping for a big reward like Mike got.

    But despite all that, it was wrong for me to pass on gossip that his girlfriend had left him for hygienic reason. I regret that. I really do. Although seriously, a bar of soap is less than a dollar. Saving on that is NO AP play.

    Mickey thinks I disrespected him, I don't think I did. I think Rob played him. I regret that mickey thinks that is some kind of shot at him.

    I don't think there is a person on these forums that admits their regret as much as me, MaxPen.

    I also don't think that narrative that I threatened Mike is fair. On these forums when someone says "threatened" you think physical harm, or gun violence as Moses has repeatedly done with me. You think something that at least warrants consideration of involving the police. I mean come on, my "threat" to Mike was that I would keep bringing up what happened reminding people of what happened. How is that a threat? If "I am going to keep telling truth" feels like a threat, then maybe the person that feels threatened, needs to re-examine what occurred.

    And if anything, I should be commended for keeping my word.

  8. #128
    Edit: I have decided to delete this post. Going to cause me way too much grief within the community.

    Instead, I am sending it to you privately MaxPen.

    To those that already read I again channel my Sargent Shultz: "I know nothing!"
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-03-2019 at 03:17 PM.

  9. #129
    It's getting into IDIOT NUTJOB territory now. Kew--safeguard any dignity and self-worth you think you have left....AND STFU ALREADY!!!!

  10. #130
    KewlJ, I understand that you have spoken out of anger and then regret what you have said. Zenking also admits he rants and says nasty and frightening things and after he has calmed down he is shocked by the nasty things that came out of mouth....er....Fingertips, and feels deep remorse, but often by the time he comes to his senses he is already suspended. KewlJ, why not have a Buddy who you can rant your angry feelings to in a PM FIRST and then they can see if the rants will become damaging if sent on the public Forums.

  11. #131
    What's causing all this agonizing trouble for kew, my dear Tasha, is that his house of cards is coming down right before his very eyes, and there's nothing he can do about it. This is what happens when someone puts all his eggs in one basket while depending on everyone to be stupid.

    As such, we will have to continue to endure his acting out his conflicted and chaotic life here, as he lies, denies, and accuses.

    Grab the popcorn, only don't put any salt on it. We'll get plenty of that from his sweating sprees.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What's causing all this agonizing trouble for kew, my dear Tasha, is that his house of cards is coming down right before his very eyes, and there's nothing he can do about it. This is what happens when someone puts all his eggs in one basket while depending on everyone to be stupid.

    As such, we will have to continue to endure his acting out his conflicted and chaotic life here, as he lies, denies, and accuses.

    Grab the popcorn, only don't put any salt on it. We'll get plenty of that from his sweating sprees.
    I can empathize with KewlJ. I did a kind of innocent thing as a Newbie on another website, was told off by some older Members, and thinking I'd get support by at least one person for talkkng about how I did not deserve the rudeness as a brand new Member I called them out for being incredibly rude to a brand New Member. An older Member replied something like,"Yes, you deserve the harsh responses you got here. I don't know what you were thinking coming on here asking for help with YOUR personal problem. Seriously? Your very first thread was asking us to help you out with your personal life? We don't even know you so we wouldn't care about your personal problems and doing that was bad on your part. In fact, I was going to tell you off myself but other Older Members beat me to the punch. Let this be a lesson to you. Not too many people are going to be overjoyed to help someone who's first thread was asking for help in their personal life." Needless to say, I didn't last long at that website, so I have also done questionable things like KewlJ has.

  13. #133
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What's causing all this agonizing trouble for kew, my dear Tasha, is that his house of cards is coming down right before his very eyes, and there's nothing he can do about it. This is what happens when someone puts all his eggs in one basket while depending on everyone to be stupid.

    As such, we will have to continue to endure his acting out his conflicted and chaotic life here, as he lies, denies, and accuses.

    Grab the popcorn, only don't put any salt on it. We'll get plenty of that from his sweating sprees.
    I can empathize with KewlJ. I did a kind of innocent thing as a Newbie on another website, was told off by some older Members, and thinking I'd get support by at least one Older Member for talking about how I did not deserve the rudeness as a brand new Member I called them out for being incredibly rude to a brand New Member. An older Member replied something like,"Yes, you deserve the harsh responses you got here. I don't know what you were thinking coming on here asking for help with YOUR personal problem. Seriously? Your very first thread was asking us to help you out with your personal life? We don't even know you so we wouldn't care about your personal problems and doing that was bad on your part. In fact, I was going to tell you off myself but other Older Members beat me to the punch. Let this be a lesson to you. Not too many people are going to be overjoyed to help someone who's first thread was asking for help in their personal life." Needless to say, I didn't last long at that website, so I have also done questionable things like KewlJ has.

  14. #134
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Here are the facts of this thread: Michael Shackleford outed a possible AP play for about the 10th time and seemed to take great pleasure in doing so. A play that those of us that were playing paid $1000 to enter. Now in fairness, you will note that I said possible. Because there was a chance this would have had enough entries that it wasn't +EV or if it was wasn't by much. But Mike damn well made sure of it with his announcement.

    So I voice my disapproval. Immediately Mike's attack dogs come at me. Axel trolling and baiting me until I said something I regret. Had no intention of doing, but I said it. And now they all turn on me. I am the bad guy and that dates back years now. They are going to change the reality of what happened 4 years ago because I dared point out that Mike screwed AP's and likely did so at the urging of Derek Stevens himself.

    I gave AXel and RS_ and MaxPen a lot of credit for lobbying on my behalf to their friend Mike. But again, that was because I was right and they know it, not because of any love for me. Mike is their friend, but he was wrong. Kudo for being honest.

    But that integrity shown is completely washed away by this idea that something said years later and you go back and try to alter the truth and fact from 4 years ago, because you now don't like the person. I mean seriously....Is this being honest?

    BTW, while I included RS_ among Mike's friends that lobbied for me, the rest of these comments do not pertain to him. He hasn't expressed how he feels and while I suspect he doesn't approve of my idol threat a few days ago, he hasn't attempted to go back and change reality.

    RS_ is a special case to me because he is the only one of these 3 that was on Norm's site and WoV. He is one of a handful that really knows what has gone down. And his questioning of those involved has never changed because he likes me or doesn't like me at the moment. He knows what the truth is. As am example just yesterday in a discussion sort of rehashing the T3 situation at Norm's site, without mentioning me by name RS_ made reference to those that were no longer here, wrongly so. I mean just yesterday! So his "truth" didn't change because I recently did or said something he didn't like. And THAT is what TRUTH really is. It doesn't change because you one day like a person and the next don't. I mean THAT is just flat out dishonesty.
    TBH I haven't been reading a bunch of this thread because posts get long and although I skim through some stuff, it looks like much of it is stuff that's already been said a million times.

    I figured you and others would like my post in the T3 thread, the one that has 5/5 "approvals" or w/e they're called.


    As far as threatening to out axel to the casinos or alluding to it or whatever.......I mean, come on. Along with fucking someone like stealing from them, that's a mortal sin for APs. It's not something that you should at all be possibly saying unless you're serious about it. I have no idea what your true intent was on it, and although I shouldn't have to say this (and I'm sure others have said it several times), but a comment like that is wayyyyy over the line. Pretty scary, to be honest. Again, I don't know how much you "meant" that comment, but given your history (like with Wizard, threatening to say bad things about him for the rest of your life, something that you've continued to do...because you got banned from his forum? [i know there's "more" to the story, but still]), it's not a comment that should just be brushed off.
    #FreeTyde

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This is what happens when someone puts all his eggs in one basket while depending on everyone to be stupid.
    Yeah, I am the stupid one Rob. You make claims that are mathematically impossible or if not impossible all but impossibe. I am talking 18 y.o.'s in a row "unlikely". To be clear I am talking winning $350k over 4 years (which is now down from the original claim of 1.5M over 10 years) overcoming negative expectation with a progressive betting system. Oh, I almost forgot AND some special plays.

    At least my claims are mathematically feasible. People can choose not to believe, usually because they don't like me for unrelated reasons, but my claims are not only possible, but many people/players have had the same or similar kind of success.

    There would be an easy way to settle this with polls about who is more credible, except that Mr Sockpupper king Singer has rendered polls useless by likely having multiple accounts just waiting. I'll bet if we could do this and Dan Druff wanted to vigilantly check IP addresses and locations for match and/or suspicious accounts, you would get like 2 votes. Maybe 2.5 depending what side of the fence Slingshot is sitting on that day.



    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    KewlJ, I understand that you have spoken out of anger and then regret what you have said. Zenking also admits he rants and says nasty and frightening things and after he has calmed down he is shocked by the nasty things that came out of mouth....er....Fingertips, and feels deep remorse, but often by the time he comes to his senses he is already suspended. KewlJ, why not have a Buddy who you can rant your angry feelings to in a PM FIRST and then they can see if the rants will become damaging if sent on the public Forums.
    aww Tasha....how sweet. Do you want to be my friend. Is that what this is about? Hell I don't even know if you are really a man or woman and unlike some people (no names) that is just something I like to know going in.

  16. #136
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This is what happens when someone puts all his eggs in one basket while depending on everyone to be stupid.
    Yeah, I am the stupid one Rob. You make claims that are mathematically impossible or if not impossible all but impossibe. I am talking 18 y.o.'s in a row "unlikely". To be clear I am talking winning $350k over 4 years (which is now down from the original claim of 1.5M over 10 years) overcoming negative expectation with a progressive betting system. Oh, I almost forgot AND some special plays.

    At least my claims are mathematically feasible. People can choose not to believe, usually because they don't like me for unrelated reasons, but my claims are not only possible, but many people/players have had the same or similar kind of success.

    There would be an easy way to settle this with polls about who is more credible, except that Mr Sockpupper king Singer has rendered polls useless by likely having multiple accounts just waiting. I'll bet if we could do this and Dan Druff wanted to vigilantly check IP addresses and locations for match and/or suspicious accounts, you would get like 2 votes. Maybe 2.5 depending what side of the fence Slingshot is sitting on that day.



    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    KewlJ, I understand that you have spoken out of anger and then regret what you have said. Zenking also admits he rants and says nasty and frightening things and after he has calmed down he is shocked by the nasty things that came out of mouth....er....Fingertips, and feels deep remorse, but often by the time he comes to his senses he is already suspended. KewlJ, why not have a Buddy who you can rant your angry feelings to in a PM FIRST and then they can see if the rants will become damaging if sent on the public Forums.
    aww Tasha....how sweet. Do you want to be my friend. Is that what this is about? Hell I don't even know if you are really a man or woman and unlike some people (no names) that is just something I like to know going in.
    Okay, I GUESS you can send me PM's before you actually post them on the public Forums and I can tell you if they are a good idea or not.

  17. #137
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    but given your history (like with Wizard, threatening to say bad things about him for the rest of your life,
    I can't argue with some, maybe most of what you said RS_. We have been on different forums for a long time. I know that is not a substitute for personally knowing someone, but I am a little disappointed you don't feel you know me enough to know I would never do that. You are also pretty familiar with Axelwolf so you should know that he pushes and pushes people....pushes buttons. Sometimes it is hard to see during, but go back and read afterwards and it is pretty clear he is trying to get under someone's skin and takes pleasure when they are pushed too far.

    Now I am going to specifically disagree with this line quoted. I didn't say I would say bad things about Mike. I said, "I would continue to remind people of how this played out for the rest of my life". Since when did the truth become a bad thing?

    also context is very important. I don't feel like going back and finding the exact quote but Mike said something about if he allowed me back, Norm would continue to bitch about it. So I was simply saying yeah well I am going to continue to bitch about it too.

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    but given your history (like with Wizard, threatening to say bad things about him for the rest of your life,
    I can't argue with some, maybe most of what you said RS_. We have been on different forums for a long time. I know that is not a substitute for personally knowing someone, but I am a little disappointed you don't feel you know me enough to know I would never do that. You are also pretty familiar with Axelwolf so you should know that he pushes and pushes people....pushes buttons. Sometimes it is hard to see during, but go back and read afterwards and it is pretty clear he is trying to get under someone's skin and takes pleasure when they are pushed too far.

    Now I am going to specifically disagree with this line quoted. I didn't say I would say bad things about Mike. I said, "I would continue to remind people of how this played out for the rest of my life". Since when did the truth become a bad thing?

    also context is very important. I don't feel like going back and finding the exact quote but Mike said something about if he allowed me back, Norm would continue to bitch about it. So I was simply saying yeah well I am going to continue to bitch about it too.
    KewlJ, why not try to bury the hatchet with Norm? 4 years of bad blood with him has done nothing but make you miserable.

  19. #139
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post

    KewlJ, why not try to bury the hatchet with Norm? 4 years of bad blood with him has done nothing but make you miserable.
    I've tried Tasha. Norm refuses.

    And while just reading some PM's to make sure what I say is accurate (not quoting) The agreement Mike and I nearly had in place, Mike asked me to write it. He advised there would need to be some give and take by both parties. So I did write the agreement, laying out terms as fairly as I could, pretty much the terms of the original truce.

    Mike read what I wrote and even said it seemed very fair. His exact words were "thanks for bending on this" (meaning compromise). But then sprung that he would have to get Norm's approval. Next message I received said Norm had emailed Mike 12 times strongly disapproving of the agreement. An agreement that both Mike and I though was as fair as could be. So I tried Tasha. I tried and tried and tried.

    In re-reading, one things that just caught my attention is Mike saying he couldn't let me back while Norm was on the forum without an agreement. Well I will argue that Norm was NEVER really on the forum, but even if that is debatable, it certainly isn't debatable that he no longer is.

  20. #140
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Despite Mickeycrimms constant barrage of homophobic hate attacks at me, I too offer my congratulation on 30 months sober. Now that is quite an accomplishment! Far surpasses any claim I have seen on this forum, including my own.

    So in all sincerely Mickey? Do you miss it? any brief falling off the wagon? any desire? Since by your AP posts, you detailed many places you play are sort of like bar places....any temptation with that?

    Continued success with this endeavor.
    No, I don't miss drinking. Haven't had even one drink since I said I'm through. Don't have any desire to drink. I've been around the booze since sober day number 1. The machines in Montana are in the bars. And the casinos out of state all have liquor. Doesn't bother me. As I've said before I don't miss the hangovers. When I was drinking I was always somewhere between being drunk and drying out for a few days. That wreaked havoc on my sleeping pattern. It was tough to sleep when drying out. I don't have that problem anymore. I go right to sleep.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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