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  1. #101
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You forgot to mention the guy who talks shit about everyone he has ever come in contact with. I thought his gimmick was up and he was heading to a horse farm in Virginia? Don't forget the cigars. I'm pretty sure you would leave a six figure job if you didn't have to beat on some .5 - 1% edge because you're not finding anything better. Might even stay in town instead of running to some hick county in Virginia.

    You ever wonder why Fund Managers can't beat the S&P 500?
    Because they're sheep. And Sheep get Slaughtered.
    Most of these guys don't add up to dog shit.
    Give me guys that are poor, smart and hungry.
    And No Feelings!
    Win a few, you lose a few but you keep on fighting.
    And if YOU NEED a FRIEND... Get a Dog!
    It's Trench Warfare out there Pal!
    I don't know any smart people who are poor and hungry,(by definition).
    Quahaug, you should watch the movie Wall Street and then you'd completely understand.

  2. #102
    Poor financially maybe, literally hungry? I don't think Monet meant hungry for food per se. I think he used the word hungry to mean aggressive in actions to pursue a goal. dummies.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  3. #103
    There is no reason to have a fund manager for your portfolio. Yes, he can help in regards to death certificates, etc, but there is no reason to give him 1% of your money.

    Open your own account with a reputable firm and if you wish, leave 10% of your money with the fund manager. You get his advise without spending a load of money.

  4. #104
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Poor financially maybe, literally hungry? I don't think Monet meant hungry for food per se. I think he used the word hungry to mean aggressive in actions to pursue a goal. dummies.
    No, I just think he is broke again and is hungry. Begging for leftovers on Fremont and sucking the guy off at Coney Island Dog for one with chili and onions gets old I would believe.

    Bitter, angry man. God knows where he found a public library to post from again.

  5. #105
    There are a lot of smart people that WERE poor and hungry at one time.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #106
    Yes, it IS pathetic, KJ, that you demand absolute 100% proof of others gambling income but you yourself can never prove beyond a doubt how you made money. It’s a monument to your intransigent stupidity. You are now king troll here at KJ’s Funny Farm. Your posts are no longer worth reading. Same psychotic bullshit/ different post.

    Alliance? Fuck you. I gave an honest opinion. You attacked me for it. Pathetic. But that’s all you’ve got other than pie in the sky theories. You’re a psychotic bigot.

    If you don’t like my opinion on the double up bug then fuck off and die. That goes for anyone else that don’t like it. The only one that controls my opinions is me. I’m the head motherfucker.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Yes, it IS pathetic, KJ, that you demand absolute 100% proof of others gambling income but you yourself can never prove beyond a doubt how you made money. It’s a monument to your intransigent stupidity. You are now king troll here at KJ’s Funny Farm. Your posts are no longer worth reading. Same psychotic bullshit/ different post.

    Alliance? Fuck you. I gave an honest opinion. You attacked me for it. Pathetic. But that’s all you’ve got other than pie in the sky theories. You’re a psychotic bigot.

    If you don’t like my opinion on the double up bug then fuck off and die. That goes for anyone else that don’t like it. The only one that controls my opinions is me. I’m the head motherfucker.
    How can you leave out having sex with other men in this bashing of KJ???

    Head MotherFucker... funny every time I imagine you saying that!
    I think my Father used to say that all the time to me growing up when I challenged his authority.
    Not those exact words but same difference.
    He was pretty big on... This is not a Democracy... This House is a Dictatorship MotherFucker!!
    If he didn't say anything it was usually just some quick backhand.
    It got more serious if he missed lol.

    I could care less if Singer made millions from the double up bug or not.
    The whole point is that he is condoning Theft or Fraud and would either sell or pass on the information.
    Pretty Evil Behavior for someone who has preached ethics and partnered with Alan about how Ethical they both are.
    I have no problem with lie, cheat and steal.
    I have a problem with hypocrites who point the finger or act high and mighty.
    Boz and many other forum members come to mind.
    Last edited by monet; 09-22-2019 at 05:18 AM.

  8. #108
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Yes, it IS pathetic, KJ, that you demand absolute 100% proof of others gambling income but you yourself can never prove beyond a doubt how you made money. It’s a monument to your intransigent stupidity. You are now king troll here at KJ’s Funny Farm. Your posts are no longer worth reading. Same psychotic bullshit/ different post.

    Alliance? Fuck you. I gave an honest opinion. You attacked me for it. Pathetic. But that’s all you’ve got other than pie in the sky theories. You’re a psychotic bigot.

    If you don’t like my opinion on the double up bug then fuck off and die. That goes for anyone else that don’t like it. The only one that controls my opinions is me. I’m the head motherfucker.
    How can you leave out having sex with other men in this bashing of KJ???

    Head MotherFucker... funny every time I imagine you saying that!
    I think my Father used to say that all the time to me growing up when I challenged his authority.
    Not those exact words but same difference.
    He was pretty big on... This is not a Democracy... This House is a Dictatorship MotherFucker!!
    If he didn't say anything it was usually just some quick backhand.
    It got more serious if he missed lol.
    I could tell you guys a hell of a story about being a teenager in San Francisco and routinely being hit on by gay men if I wanted to.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #109
    Amazing that there is so much controversy over nothing. There is no proof that Singer used the bug or that even his method works. I'm waiting for someone to say "yes I followed Singer's method and it worked." You're all in an uproar over typical Internet talk.

  10. #110
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Amazing that there is so much controversy over nothing. There is no proof that Singer used the bug or that even his method works. I'm waiting for someone to say "yes I followed Singer's method and it worked." You're all in an uproar over typical Internet talk.
    I don't care if Rob Singer was using the double up bug or not. I just find the guy to be despicable and a nasty person with no redeeming traits. Since I don't care if he had knowledge of this bug when it was out there, I'll just assume he didn't because everything else considered it seems unlikely. If I am wrong it means absolutely 0 to my life. A freeroll if you will. He was known as being a huge liar before and desperately craves attention on this forum. The meta-evidence if you will suggests he is just full of shit.

    Really though, not my argument.

  11. #111
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Yes, it IS pathetic, KJ, that you demand absolute 100% proof of others gambling income but you yourself can never prove beyond a doubt how you made money. It’s a monument to your intransigent stupidity. You are now king troll here at KJ’s Funny Farm. Your posts are no longer worth reading. Same psychotic bullshit/ different post.

    Alliance? Fuck you. I gave an honest opinion. You attacked me for it. Pathetic. But that’s all you’ve got other than pie in the sky theories. You’re a psychotic bigot.

    If you don’t like my opinion on the double up bug then fuck off and die. That goes for anyone else that don’t like it. The only one that controls my opinions is me. I’m the head motherfucker.
    Mickey has inside knowledge of the double up bug and Rob`s claim of a 9.5 incher

  12. #112
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Amazing that there is so much controversy over nothing. There is no proof that Singer used the bug or that even his method works. I'm waiting for someone to say "yes I followed Singer's method and it worked." You're all in an uproar over typical Internet talk.
    I don't care if Rob Singer was using the double up bug or not. I just find the guy to be despicable and a nasty person with no redeeming traits. Since I don't care if he had knowledge of this bug when it was out there, I'll just assume he didn't because everything else considered it seems unlikely. If I am wrong it means absolutely 0 to my life. A freeroll if you will. He was known as being a huge liar before and desperately craves attention on this forum. The meta-evidence if you will suggests he is just full of shit.

    Really though, not my argument.
    You know what, accountinquestion, It is not my argument anymore either. I have made the case that Rob's SPS has always been complete voodoo and continues to be complete voodoo. I have always felt it is the responsibility of real AP's to call out complete voodoo like this . I have done my job. If there is still anybody buying this load of crap (slingshot) that is on them. I lead them to water.

    Now the double up is a little different. Mathematically possible of course because someone executed it, got caught and should have been convicted of a crime. They only got away with it because the government overcharged them and couldn't make the case of which they charged. So Singer comes along 10 years later, seeking attention, which is all he does, and wants to say he found and played this crime first. Whatever. There is no evidence of that. He has provided no evidence and his long history of lying and making shit up says he didn't.

    But no need for me to make that case any longer either. From comments on this forum, and ZERO comments at WoV after his claim was posted in his own words for the first time, I mean ZERO interest, it is pretty clear that there are one or two people in the AP/gambling community that believe Singer. And that's the way it should be. My job is done.

    I mean imagine, this claim, which if true would be one of the biggest stories in the gambling/AP community, was posted at WOV, which was the first time most of those members had a chance to read it and they read that it was Singer making the claim, and clearly said "we have ZERO interest". THAT is funny shit! My job is done. Probably was done before I started. People know who Singer is. I didn't give them enough credit.

  13. #113
    "Now the double up is a little different. Mathematically possible of course because someone executed it, got caught and should have been convicted of a crime. They only got away with it because the government overcharged them and couldn't make the case of which they charged."

    KewlJ aren't you just making this up? It's been months since this topic first came up but as I recall the defendants won a preliminary ruling and the prosecution dropped the case.

    They did not amend the indictment to add lesser charges or drop greater charges, they just dropped the case.

    And no, the fact that you think the DUP glitch is identical to a malfunctioning ATM is not relevant.

  14. #114
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    "Now the double up is a little different. Mathematically possible of course because someone executed it, got caught and should have been convicted of a crime. They only got away with it because the government overcharged them and couldn't make the case of which they charged."

    KewlJ aren't you just making this up? It's been months since this topic first came up but as I recall the defendants won a preliminary ruling and the prosecution dropped the case.

    They did not amend the indictment to add lesser charges or drop greater charges, they just dropped the case.

    And no, the fact that you think the DUP glitch is identical to a malfunctioning ATM is not relevant.
    Smurgerburger, the main charge was "Conspiracy and violations of the computer fraud act". As prosecutors do, there were other charges including theft, but the case was going to rest on this main charge. Without proving that there would be no conviction or jail time.

    The "conspiracy and violations of the computer fraud act" was really an act to prevent computer hacking concerning banking and hacking into government defense systems. Charging guys hacking into or manipulating slot machines with this was ludicrous.

    You are mischaracterizing my point about ATM comparision. If a person walks up to an ATM and the withdrawls $100 and the machine spits out $2000 is that a crime? No, but it the person accepts the money and doesn't return it it is a crime. People have been charged and convicted. Kane/Nestor (and Rob if his claim is true) did that. But they did more.

    Suppose a person, walks up to the ATM and pushes a series of buttons that through computer glitch manipulates the ATM to spit out money. Would that be a crime. Well again, if they keep it, it has been proven that it is. But aside from that, would this manipulation itself be a crime. Probably not. Defense would argue no intent and that would probably fly.

    But now suppose after figuring out this combination of buttons pushes that triggers the ATM to malfunction and spit out $100 bills, they return time and time again, doing it. Well now that "intent" or lack of intent defense no longer works. Now they are intending to defraud and take money that is not theirs.

    The fact is the government overplayed it's hand going with this computer conspiracy charge (basically computer hacking). That is not what this case was. This was a theft case. That is what they should have gone with.

  15. #115
    You know a prosecutor can revise an indictment to drop charges he can't prove and proceed with the other charges?

    If the purpose of your ATM analogy is to establish intent it's irrelevant because intent was never in dispute. If it's to establish theft it's also irrelevant because a slot machine and an ATM come with different expectations about whether one can win money. Namely, everyone acknowledges it's possible to win money from a properly functioning slot and nobody acknowledges it's possible to win money from a properly functioning ATM.

    You seem to have this mental tic of making legal declamations about this case with no apparent authority, as if your intuitions about legal matters are more important than the actual legal record in this case.

    I remember when this came up months ago you made the same arguments you are making now before eventually backing off and saying something like "well maybe it's legal but it's wrong".

    It's fine that you think it's wrong but there is a real legal system with real laws and real precedents and real decisions that determines whether things are legal or not.

  16. #116
    Once again kew's house of cards comes tumbling down as he tries unsuccessfully to support his BS beliefs.

    Anyone who gets more money from an ATM than they requested or have and keeps it is an obvious criminal, simply because they asked for X amount FROM THEIR ACCOUNT and they received X+ in error. That's a far cry from using your own money to gamble with, hitting a winner, then using the machine's own buttons etc. to increase your winnings.

    We see what's going on here. Kew is jealous of those who were able to profit from this ENTIRELY NON-CRIMINAL act....while he sits in the corner of a cheap LV flat counting flowers on the wall.

  17. #117
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    It's fine that you think it's wrong but there is a real legal system with real laws and real precedents and real decisions that determines whether things are legal or not.
    Smurgerburger, perhaps you missed this short paragraph near the end of the Wired article: "In a court filing Friday, the government finally conceded it may have overplayed its hand".

    Furthermore I want to draw your attention to the discussion or the Kane/Nestor story on this very forum back in 2013 (link at bottom). This is when the story was in the news before Rob decided to steal this story as his own. Here is a quote from Dan Druff:

    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Actually, I think they should have been charged and convicted -- but not of either hacking or wire fraud.

    They should have been convicted of theft.

    Indeed, they were not "hacking" anything. That charge was ridiculous.

    Wire fraud was also ridiculous, as the fraud did not occur through mail or telephone communication.

    They were guilty of theft, as they were knowingly using a glitch in a machine to cause it to pay out 10x the intended amount. Similarly, if you notice an ATM is spitting out $200 when you try to withdraw $20 (and only removing $20 from your account), you are committing a crime by repeatedly going to that ATM and requesting $20, knowing you'll receive $200.

    That's basically what these guys did. They didn't create the bug, but they definitely took advantage of it in order to steal.
    Even more damning is this quote from Rob, back before he decided to steal this story for his own:

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Silverton....GOOD!

    My opinion is that the player was playing the $1 denomination, he hit an $820 winner, he didn't play or win a double-up, so he is entitled to exactly that and no more. It's the same as if he were playing against a live dealer and the dealer made a stupid mistake by paying him ten times his win. If the eye-in-the-sky caught it, he would have been required to give the extra money back to the house. In this case, Kane knowingly & purposely exploited a house gaff that was never intended to be put in play on the floor that way, and is guilty of fraud for taking the money when his original bet could never have WON $8200.
    or how about this one:

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    That means you had no right to such a win. You are entitled to $820 and no more.
    Rob, HIMSELF thought this was stealing and illegal, back in 2013, which would have been 4-9 years after he claims he made this play. He thought it illegal then because he had not yet decided to steal this story for his own. Once he decides to steal this story, he flips 180 degrees.
    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...heating-or-not
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-22-2019 at 01:49 PM.

  18. #118
    And while you are reading that thread from 2013, just read Rob's attacks on Arci. Same nasty shit. Same exact wording, personal attacks that have nothing to do with what is being discussed. Anytime someone challenges Rob's fairytale claims, he always responds the same exact way. Nasty, personal attacks, because he can't answer the challenge. This was 6 years ago! And it is the same exact thing today, almost the same exact words. Haven't you people had enough of this troll and nasty human being? The rest of the gambling community has.

  19. #119
    There is no dispute that the government "overplayed its hand" - it dropped all charges. It did not amend the charges to theft. Why didn't it do this?

    I think the problem with noted legal expert Dan Druff's opinion is that the bug was not a machine malfunction in the legal sense. I believe that would require the machine to be functioning not according to its programming and construction - e.g. corrupted code or a faulty sensor causing it to do something that other machines of the same model would not do.

    However I don't really know the legalities, that's just my impression from the articles I've read about the case.

    But really just read my first paragraph over and over until you can explain why the government didn't amend to the charge to theft alone (which according to you was part of the original indictment, although I haven't looked that up).

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    But really just read my first paragraph over and over until you can explain why the government didn't amend to the charge to theft alone (which according to you was part of the original indictment, although I haven't looked that up).
    You are asking me something I can't know the answer to. But I will offer a couple non-legal expert opinions. Prosecutors are elected officials and they like to tout their "record of successful prosecutions". They often drop charges or don't even bring cases that they don't think they can win. A lot of times it isn't really about whether there was a crime or not, but about whether the prosecutors can win. And in this particular situation the case was handed off to another prosecutor. He may have just not wanted to try to clean up someone else's mess and start over with "theft" charges.

    I also think cases like this with high media attention, tend to have a momentum thing. You start getting these side ruling go against you, because it was something that shouldn't have been a part of the case to begin, with and the momentum is going in the wrong direction. That is when deals are offered and made and or charges dropped, so the prosecutor doesn't get that "loss" on his record. Kane/Nestor and their attorneys (probably more the attorney's) were smart not to take that deal offered of lesser charges one the momentum began going south for prosecutors.

    This would also be a hard case public opinion-wise. The victims are casinos. And a lot of people, especially gamblers don't have a lot of sympathy for casinos. I remember shortly after I moved to Vegas there was a rather brazen armed Robbery at one of the Strip Casinos cage. When I was out and about in the following days, naturally a topic of conversation and almost universally people were saying things like "good, serves them right". I mean this was armed robbery!. Little sympathy for the casinos.

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