The Complete Sequence

[kewlJ]

I have never claimed to be a "math guy". I use the math that other people, most long dead have long since proven to make money as a card counting AP. I don't have to know the formulas to know what principals are real.

My lord, you are really an insecure little boy with all this "I'm smarter than you" aren't you? How did a 70 year old man get so fucked up? so insecure, such a complete narcissist, that he goes to these lengths for attention?

[kewlJ]

You want to talk about a crushing blow Rob?

It has been about 26 hours since Wizard posted your written claim. I though it odd when he posted that because I though Boz was asking him to look into the claim, find some sort of evidence (or lack of) and give his opinion. And maybe that is where he is heading, but posting that "thing" from Alan's site, was just posting your written claim.

But even that should have generated some chatter. I mean if true a huge story in the AP community. That should have peeked some interest on a platform like that, one of the top AP related forums. It peeked nothing! One single response from someone at 5am that basically said they thought you were dead. AND THAT is EXACTLY what credibility is. No one even cared. And since this is all about an old irrelevant man's quest for attention and relevancy, that must have been quite a blow to you. I can't wait for the next chapter.

[tableplay]

Money won is sweeter than money earned.

You've isolated the gist of it IMHO. Especially when the working world was mostly dealing with psychopaths or sociopaths in supervisory positions.

[slingshot]

The only thing I miss is the stories associated with his wins! Yesterday I played 100 credits bp/100 ddbp on one machine and it was obviously not cooperating. SO, I switched machines ( Horseshoe replaced the other two multi denominations up to 50¢/w 25 credits) to finish my session and hit this playing the artt strategy. Better than the usual $60-$80#!

[slingshot]

Sorry for photo- only had my tracfone and I wasn't expecting to hit this.

[unowme]

That's because the Royal only comes up every 100,000 + hands and it's a key element in the EV.

I thought the Royal came up every 40000 hands or so on average, what am I missing ?

Yes. You're right. It's about one in 46000. I don't know what I was thinking. But the points the same. There's no way you can be at the point where your results necessarily approach the EV playing so few hands at the high dollar levels....far fewer hands than a single anticipated royal. You're right in the throes of variance until many times that number of plays. At least that's what my gut is telling me. I still don't have a formula to calculate what the long run is. There was an article recently on LVA that was discussing variance on slot machines and the gist was that many machines go into the millions of plays before you reach an expected long run result. Somehow they were basing that on expected vs actual results as measured by some casinos. I cant find it now though.

[Deech]

A subtle thank you. Enough said.

[MaxPen]

That's because the Royal only comes up every 100,000 + hands and it's a key element in the EV.

I thought the Royal came up every 40000 hands or so on average, what am I missing ?

You do not miss much tableplay.
You are one of the members who not only knows what this underworld is about but isn't afraid to admit it in your posts.
You can get the Royal odds lower depending on the game and strategy you are using.

However, the point to all this garbage I have read or skimmed through isn't what everyone is posting about.
The point is that AP is nothing but the underworld or underbelly of society.
You have a guy who is praised as the best or most respected AP on these boards who drinks Captain Morgan non-stop.
Falls down or passes out and even his own people talk behind his back at times.
It is only a matter of time before drinking in excess in that manner will catch up with him and come crashing down like an avalanche.

You have another guy who vultures a whole state and makes a good financial living but thinks he is doing "honest" work.
No matter how much I like the guy or what he does, does not change the fact that it is a living of a scavenger or vulture.

Another player who leaves a so called honest job making 6 figures a year to pursue Advantage Play.
Seems odd but ok... Money won is sweeter than money earned.

A homosexual who believes he is a good man, believing in God and a Republican who counts cards for a living.
This guy thinks he is a model example for Counting Cards or Advantage Play in general.

Dark Oz and his riding of Buses to use 100s of Players Cards getting swindled by Wizard of Nothing.
After that he gets robbed by his own son in law and posts all about it.
Preaching like he is the victim or prey when it is clear, he is nothing but a ravenous wolf himself.

Now you got Rob Singer, who claims he has defrauded the Casino out of Millions of Dollars and if true, he is praised for his accomplishment.
This is no better than Robbing Banks or Murder for Hire.
The guy is preaching that he went into a Casino, hit some buttons and got paid thousands of dollars for something that he did in a dishonest manner.
Not only doing this for years over and over but posting how to do it and that it could still work with certain machines so you too can steal money!!

Whatever! As I have said before the whole Gambling Industry or as you honest folks like to call it... AP, is nothing but lie, cheat and steal.
Even the owner of the site won't gamble at them straight up.
He searches out backers before he gets involved.

You forgot to mention the guy who talks shit about everyone he has ever come in contact with. I thought his gimmick was up and he was heading to a horse farm in Virginia? Don't forget the cigars. I'm pretty sure you would leave a six figure job if you didn't have to beat on some .5 - 1% edge because you're not finding anything better. Might even stay in town instead of running to some hick county in Virginia.

[monet]

You forgot to mention the guy who talks shit about everyone he has ever come in contact with. I thought his gimmick was up and he was heading to a horse farm in Virginia? Don't forget the cigars. I'm pretty sure you would leave a six figure job if you didn't have to beat on some .5 - 1% edge because you're not finding anything better. Might even stay in town instead of running to some hick county in Virginia.

You ever wonder why Fund Managers can't beat the S&P 500?
Because they're sheep. And Sheep get Slaughtered.
Most of these guys don't add up to dog shit.
Give me guys that are poor, smart and hungry.
And No Feelings!
Win a few, you lose a few but you keep on fighting.
And if YOU NEED a FRIEND... Get a Dog!
It's Trench Warfare out there Pal!

[mickeycrimm]

You're really heartbroken that Mike's gonna do this aren't you. Tough love. And I see you're gearing yourself up for a big disappointment!

Not at all. I actually wrote to Munchkin on your behalf, asking him to put you on GWAE. And if I had a way to contact Mike Shackleford I would have done the same with him. IF your claim was true it would be a big story in the AP community and should be discussed and you deserve the opportunity to prove your claim. BUT because 15 years of lying about everything, you have to have some collaborating proof. So far you have indicated you don't. You want people to take you at your word.

It would be like the boy who cried wolf saying "no really this time I really mean it. The wolf is here".

Personally, I think Mike is going to post some kind of finding about the play being possible (which isn't in question) and that it is possible that you played it as claimed prior to Kane/Nestor being caught, but that there is no real proof either way. I would hope that he would make some reference to your less than honest long history, but whatever.

Unless there is some evidence that you have refused to share with us, I don't see how Mike confirms that you made this play. Nor do I see how he absolutely confirms that you didn't.

So far it looks like the evidence you have provided is a written version of your claim (on Alan's site). Not sure how that is evidence of anything. But we will see what he says.

kJ, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you made a million dollars playing blackjack. Your tax returns won’t prove you played blackjack. Eyewitness testimony is no good unless they watched every single hand you ever played counting the money as they watched. No one can vouch for you. It proves nothing. Your credibility is shot because you have been caught in multiple lies on this forum. You even tried to fake your own death. No one believes anything you say.

[kewlJ]

kJ, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you made a million dollars playing blackjack. Your tax returns won’t prove you played blackjack. Eyewitness testimony is no good unless they watched every single hand you ever played counting the money as they watched. No one can vouch for you. It proves nothing. Your credibility is shot because you have been caught in multiple lies on this forum. You even tried to fake your own death. No one believes anything you say.

This is just really pathetic Mickey. I am serious. It is sad what you have become.

No one believes anything I say? really? You believed me up until a few months ago when you formed this goofy alliance with Singer. So much so that you defended me probably hundreds of times over the years, including creating an account at Norm's forum just to do so. I never asked you to defend me. You did so because you knew I was legit.

So don't give me this "no one believes anything you say" crap. That is Bullshit and you know it. If you don't, I challenge you to post a poll. Even with Singer's sock puppets and a number of people that dislike me for reasons that have nothing to do with AP, I feel pretty comfortable of the outcome.

I have quite a few people contacting me privately wondering what is up with you. All kind of goofy theories from Singer holding something over you, to Singer promised you something to be his new "Alan". I have no idea, nor want to guess, but you are throwing away your credibility with such stupid statements.

I mean seriously, you have decided for some inexplicable reason to tie yourself to the person that is universally though of as the biggest troll by far in the gambling/AP community. You are better than this mickey. Be better than this trolling shit.

[quahaug]

You forgot to mention the guy who talks shit about everyone he has ever come in contact with. I thought his gimmick was up and he was heading to a horse farm in Virginia? Don't forget the cigars. I'm pretty sure you would leave a six figure job if you didn't have to beat on some .5 - 1% edge because you're not finding anything better. Might even stay in town instead of running to some hick county in Virginia.

You ever wonder why Fund Managers can't beat the S&P 500?
Because they're sheep. And Sheep get Slaughtered.
Most of these guys don't add up to dog shit.
Give me guys that are poor, smart and hungry.
And No Feelings!
Win a few, you lose a few but you keep on fighting.
And if YOU NEED a FRIEND... Get a Dog!
It's Trench Warfare out there Pal!

I don't know any smart people who are poor and hungry,(by definition).

[kewlJ]

I don't know any smart people who are poor and hungry,(by definition).

Maybe Shawn Pleasants. High school valedictorian, graduated from Yale, wall street banker, 10 years later homeless living in L.A.

Not sure the exact story. Probably drugs. But he was certainly smart at one time and now is poor and hungry.

[Rob.Singer]

More people end up poor and hungry in Las Vegas than anywhere else. They all thought LV casinos were their own personal AP ATM withdrawal kingdoms. Then, reality trumped theory, and the term "degenerate gambler" began staring them in the face. So some of them concocted a "successful" online personality to make up for their life's shortcomings. Everyone knows the rest of the pathetic story.....

[BoSox]

More people end up poor and hungry in Las Vegas than anywhere else. They all thought LV casinos were their own personal AP ATM withdrawal kingdoms. Then, reality trumped theory, and the term "degenerate gambler" began staring them in the face.


Absolutely, they became so used to losing all the money they have one of the assholes suddenly did not realize he had a winner at a video poker machine he simply inserted some more money "until his monthly allocation ran out again". After a long time starring at the machine saying what the fuck, suddenly became the King of Las Vegas.

[Deech]

kJ, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you made a million dollars playing blackjack. Your tax returns won’t prove you played blackjack. Eyewitness testimony is no good unless they watched every single hand you ever played counting the money as they watched. No one can vouch for you. It proves nothing. Your credibility is shot because you have been caught in multiple lies on this forum. You even tried to fake your own death. No one believes anything you say.

This is just really pathetic Mickey. I am serious. It is sad what you have become.

No one believes anything I say? really? You believed me up until a few months ago when you formed this goofy alliance with Singer. So much so that you defended me probably hundreds of times over the years, including creating an account at Norm's forum just to do so. I never asked you to defend me. You did so because you knew I was legit.

So don't give me this "no one believes anything you say" crap. That is Bullshit and you know it. If you don't, I challenge you to post a poll. Even with Singer's sock puppets and a number of people that dislike me for reasons that have nothing to do with AP, I feel pretty comfortable of the outcome.

I have quite a few people contacting me privately wondering what is up with you. All kind of goofy theories from Singer holding something over you, to Singer promised you something to be his new "Alan". I have no idea, nor want to guess, but you are throwing away your credibility with such stupid statements.

I mean seriously, you have decided for some inexplicable reason to tie yourself to the person that is universally though of as the biggest troll by far in the gambling/AP community. You are better than this mickey. Be better than this trolling shit.

I will never pick sides in a KJ vs MC vs Rob vs Reditz argument. I respect you all. Yes, even Rob.

Anyhow, while individuals can argue about many things, it is difficult to argue that KJ has made an average of 90 K per year on blackjack. Do I know this for a fact? Of course not. But his posts are consistent on what he does. Hell, I know more about his partner than I do about my wife (OK, I may be exaggerating, but you get the point).

There are many shots one can take at these Four Horsemen but one is not if KJ has made a nominal amount playing blackjack.

For the love of God, why does the wife leave me home on Saturday nights?

[BoSox]

For the love of God, why does the wife leave me home on Saturday nights?

Uh-oh.

[Rob.Singer]

Because you tend to believe the KJ fantasy???

Back to the double up issue, and I'm posting this because of an email I received today. I've said that I NEVER used any winner twice (which is easy but VERY risky to do, based on the intellect levels of those in charge) and I NEVER used any existing winner that was not mine to fill my pockets.

Well, that was then and this is now. Because it's known that Kane & Nestor both got away with doing both of those (although we also know Nestor's winnings were confiscated and probably Kane's were too--because they're both first class idiots for different reasons) if I found an infected machine these day and because of what I now know, I'd find no problem with anybody who hammered the crap out of it on existing hands. In fact, after upping the denomination, I'd go thru each and every game to see which one had the most lucrative winner on it and spank it before letting someone else know about it.

It will happen.

[Deech]

No No, No. I dropped her off at an Arts and Crafts gathering in Westborough, MA. She gave up her VP position at Fidelity Investments 13 years ago. Jeez, just what I want, a scrapbook about all the money you gave up. I sit here weeping and monitoring VCT.

No, I am not worried about a random rapper raping the wife. Then again, just 40 miles down the road, Antonio Brown just got released.

[BoSox]

No No, No. I dropped her off at an Arts and Crafts gathering in Westborough, MA. She gave up her VP position at Fidelity Investments 13 years ago. Jeez, just what I want, a scrapbook about all the money you gave up. I sit here weeping and monitoring VCT.

No, I am not worried about a random rapper raping the wife. Then again, just 40 miles down the road, Antonio Brown just got released.

Great sense of humor Deech.