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  1. #121
    So politics allowed them to make heavier charges but not lighter charges?

    Isn't the most likely conclusion by far that they didn't think they could prove theft?

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    So politics allowed them to make heavier charges but not lighter charges?

    Isn't the most likely conclusion by far that they didn't think they could prove theft?
    Look I am not here to argue the prosecutions case and/or how they tried it. If you are arguing that winning a $820 jackpot and knowingly manipulating the machine to pay you $8200 isn't theft, and you think this is alright, I don't know what to tell you. Come judgement day, you may find the ultimate judge doesn't agree with you.

    Now I want to get back on track. You read the link to the 2013 discussion, because you commented about Dan Druff. So explain to me why Rob Singer would post that this was illegal and a crime back in 2013, which would have been after he now claims to have done the same thing?

    This is pretty clear and damning evidence that Rob spoke the truth back in 2013, because he had not yet decided to steal this story for his own.

  3. #123
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    So politics allowed them to make heavier charges but not lighter charges?

    Isn't the most likely conclusion by far that they didn't think they could prove theft?
    Look I am not here to argue the prosecutions case and/or how they tried it. If you are arguing that winning a $820 jackpot and knowingly manipulating the machine to pay you $8200 isn't theft, and you think this is alright, I don't know what to tell you. Come judgement day, you may find the ultimate judge doesn't agree with you.

    Now I want to get back on track. You read the link to the 2013 discussion, because you commented about Dan Druff. So explain to me why Rob Singer would post that this was illegal and a crime back in 2013, which would have been after he now claims to have done the same thing?

    This is pretty clear and damning evidence that Rob spoke the truth back in 2013, because he had not yet decided to steal this story for his own.
    So you are now saying that Rob speaks the truth?
    I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40 hours a week to be broke.

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    So you are now saying that Rob speaks the truth?
    Not today, but back in 2013 apparently he did. Why? Because he hadn't decide to steal this claim yet.

    I mean seriously mickey, do you want to put you bias away and tell me why Rob said this was illegal and wrong back in 2013? If he knew he has made this play, he would have been defending back then as he does today.

  5. #125
    If this Wizard (Shackleford) exercise is about determining if Rob made this play, someone should really bring this 2013 quote by Rob to Mike's attention. That is pretty clear evidence that Rob decided to inject himself into this story (steal this claim and story for his own) sometime after 2013.

  6. #126
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Amazing that there is so much controversy over nothing. There is no proof that Singer used the bug or that even his method works. I'm waiting for someone to say "yes I followed Singer's method and it worked." You're all in an uproar over typical Internet talk.
    I don't care if Rob Singer was using the double up bug or not. I just find the guy to be despicable and a nasty person with no redeeming traits. Since I don't care if he had knowledge of this bug when it was out there, I'll just assume he didn't because everything else considered it seems unlikely. If I am wrong it means absolutely 0 to my life. A freeroll if you will. He was known as being a huge liar before and desperately craves attention on this forum. The meta-evidence if you will suggests he is just full of shit.

    Really though, not my argument.
    You know what, accountinquestion, It is not my argument anymore either. I have made the case that Rob's SPS has always been complete voodoo and continues to be complete voodoo. I have always felt it is the responsibility of real AP's to call out complete voodoo like this . I have done my job. If there is still anybody buying this load of crap (slingshot) that is on them. I lead them to water.

    Now the double up is a little different. Mathematically possible of course because someone executed it, got caught and should have been convicted of a crime. They only got away with it because the government overcharged them and couldn't make the case of which they charged. So Singer comes along 10 years later, seeking attention, which is all he does, and wants to say he found and played this crime first. Whatever. There is no evidence of that. He has provided no evidence and his long history of lying and making shit up says he didn't.

    But no need for me to make that case any longer either. From comments on this forum, and ZERO comments at WoV after his claim was posted in his own words for the first time, I mean ZERO interest, it is pretty clear that there are one or two people in the AP/gambling community that believe Singer. And that's the way it should be. My job is done.

    I mean imagine, this claim, which if true would be one of the biggest stories in the gambling/AP community, was posted at WOV, which was the first time most of those members had a chance to read it and they read that it was Singer making the claim, and clearly said "we have ZERO interest". THAT is funny shit! My job is done. Probably was done before I started. People know who Singer is. I didn't give them enough credit.
    Rob Singer Redux, so far, is a six page thread. So much for no commemts. And the Wiz put that post up on the weekend. And you conveniently forgot the 2200 views the thread has.

    Now, the State of Nevada failed to bring theft charges against Kane & Nestor so they weren't overcharged in Nevada. As a matter of fact they weren't charged at all in Nevada. Why do you think that is, KJ? God forbid, for you anyway, that they thought they didn't have a case. Quit harping on the Fed case to support your narrative and start explaining why Nevada did not charge them. You ought to be able to tell a pretty good fairy tale.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 09-22-2019 at 01:57 PM.
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  7. #127
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    If this Wizard (Shackleford) exercise is about determining if Rob made this play, someone should really bring this 2013 quote by Rob to Mike's attention. That is pretty clear evidence that Rob decided to inject himself into this story (steal this claim and story for his own) sometime after 2013.
    Why don't you inform the Wizard yourself. Oh, that's right! Never mind.
    I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40 hours a week to be broke.

  8. #128
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Rob Singer Redux, vso far, is a six page thread. So much for no commemts. And the Wiz put that post up on the weekend.

    Now, the State of Nevada failed to bring theft charges against Kane & Nestor so they weren't overcharged in Nevada. As a matter of fact they weren't charged at all in Nevada. Why do you think that is, KJ? God forbid, for you anyway, that they thought they didn't have a case. Quit harping on the Fed case to support your narrative and start explaining why Nevada did not charge them. You ought to be able to tell a pretty good fairy tale.
    I am not interested in arguing the legalities of the case and how it was mishandled and mischarged.

    As for your Singer comment, biased as usual. Yes, there was 6 pages of discussion after Mike agreed to look into the Singer claim, mostly people expressing an unfavorable opinion of Rob, which is to be expected....he has gone out of his way to be nasty and unlikeable.

    BUT, when Mike posted the link to Rob's claim on Alan's site, which is Rob's own words of the claim (as told to Alan), it would have been the first time that many on that forum had really seen what the claim was. Being that if true it would be a huge story in this community, that should have generated a lot of chatter. It generated NOTHING. Translation: most people just dismissed it as they dismiss Rob.

    You are on an island Mickey. That is your right, but I think you are looking through biased eyes now and refuse to see what everyone else does. 15 years of lying and attention seeking by a guy who will say anything for attention. Something you basically said in this very year!

  9. #129
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Smurgerburger, perhaps you missed this short paragraph near the end of the Wired article: "In a court filing Friday, the government finally conceded it may have overplayed its hand".

    Furthermore I want to draw your attention to the discussion or the Kane/Nestor story on this very forum back in 2013 (link at bottom). This is when the story was in the news before Rob decided to steal this story as his own. Here is a quote from Dan Druff:



    Even more damning is this quote from Rob, back before he decided to steal this story for his own:

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Silverton....GOOD!

    My opinion is that the player was playing the $1 denomination, he hit an $820 winner, he didn't play or win a double-up, so he is entitled to exactly that and no more. It's the same as if he were playing against a live dealer and the dealer made a stupid mistake by paying him ten times his win. If the eye-in-the-sky caught it, he would have been required to give the extra money back to the house. In this case, Kane knowingly & purposely exploited a house gaff that was never intended to be put in play on the floor that way, and is guilty of fraud for taking the money when his original bet could never have WON $8200.
    or how about this one:

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    That means you had no right to such a win. You are entitled to $820 and no more.
    Rob, HIMSELF thought this was stealing and illegal, back in 2013, which would have been 4-9 years after he claims he made this play. He thought it illegal then because he had not yet decided to steal this story for his own. Once he decides to steal this story, he flips 180 degrees.
    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...heating-or-not
    This confirms how dumb you and likely your entire generation is. Do you actually think I'm going to give my actual beliefs that the play is 100% legal when I've been on the edge for the past 4 or 5 years--with at least five years to go before I might tell anyone?

    No wonder you confused people think transgenders are acceptable.

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This confirms how dumb you and likely your entire generation is. Do you actually think I'm going to give my actual beliefs that the play is 100% legal when I've been on the edge for the past 4 or 5 years--with at least five years to go before I might tell anyone?
    No you are so dumb. First that little comment about an entire generation really reveals your issue. You are a bitter old dude. I don't wish death upon anybody, but if you are really this bitter and angry with how your life has turned out, that all you want to do is bring everyone else down, why don't you just go ahead and end it. Put yourself out of your misery.

    I knew this would be your response and that makes zero sense. As a matter of fact, if you had made that play, which we both know you didn't, and had been caught, one of the defenses your attorney would want to use is that you didn't know or think this was illegal. And the prosecutors could use this very post from back in 2013 against you.

    So even for someone as dumb as you, this isn't flying. You are just scrambling as you always do. And now you will come back with some more name-calling and attacks having nothing to do with anything (deflections). I mean your game isn't even good any more. It is old and stale. And anyone who didn't already know that does after reading that 2013 thread. You are like a bad re-run. You can't even come up with anything new and original.

  11. #131
    I'll be around much longer than someone with an unhealthy ticker and infected blood like you have my friend. We KNOW why you fear meeting up with anyone. And since you were wishing death upon wizard because he rejected you when you're telling yourself the fantasy that you're the most important anonymous gambling poster on the forums, you won't mind me saying that you're acting like a person with nothing to lose....an aids-infected bath house frequenter.

    Now go ahead--write another essay to help you soothe the hurt.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 09-22-2019 at 02:55 PM.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'll be around much longer than someone with an unhealthy ticker and infected blood like you have my friend. We KNOW why you fear meeting up with anyone.

    Now go ahead--write another essay to help you soothe the hurt.
    The beauty of it is that I don't have to say anything. Your posts say everything that needs to be said.

    Even people that may not like me, for any number of reasons, personal issues, maybe they don't like things I have said about their friend Mike, they read the things you post, lie after lie after lie and they know I am right, you are a bitter angry old man lashing out because he is unhappy with how his life has played out. And because they recognize your lie after lie after lie about things totally insignificant, they know that makes you a compulsive liar. So what chance is there that you are telling the truth about anything including the double up bug? This is exactly what credibility is Rob.

    Now how about you up date us on how this investigation is going. Here is a quote from Axelwolf at WoV in the Rob Redux thread: "Whatever the case, I think an interview would be interesting. Perhaps it will put more eyes on the situation, with more eyes on the situation it should help get us closer to the truth.

    I'm almost certain if Rob did play this, there has to be a way he can prove this claim with some effort".


    What evidence have you submitted to Mike?

  13. #133
    Here is a question for everyone on this forum: And granted we ALL probably have a bit of forum addiction, or too much time on our hands and probably need some sort of hobby, , but seriously would a 70 year old man, successful in life as Rob describes, a long successful high paying, professional career, amazing retirement package, who won has won 2.8 million from this double up bug and another million from the SPS and god knows what other fantasy claims, and has purchased multiple homes (that aren't in his name) and a 1.5 million dollar RV to travel the country, be on this forum 24/7 spewing the bitterness and hate that Rob does?

    Does this make sense to anybody? Mickey? Or is this a really angry bitter old guy angry at AP's that have succeeded where he has failed as a degenerate gambler and specifically angry as hell at anybody that challenges his impossible claims?

    Maybe this is poll material. But it only works if people put away their biases and their "I don't like this person, so I am on this other one's side" and really takes an honest look at what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. That is all I am asking, honestly tell me what makes sense to you?

    You can be sure Rob isn't going to want that, so he will shortly deflect with more angry nasty posts of hate and bitterness.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-22-2019 at 03:14 PM.

  14. #134
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    So politics allowed them to make heavier charges but not lighter charges?

    Isn't the most likely conclusion by far that they didn't think they could prove theft?
    Look I am not here to argue the prosecutions case and/or how they tried it. If you are arguing that winning a $820 jackpot and knowingly manipulating the machine to pay you $8200 isn't theft, and you think this is alright, I don't know what to tell you. Come judgement day, you may find the ultimate judge doesn't agree with you.
    Ok well I'll see you again in three months when you make the same argument about why they weren't charged with theft and then back off and start talking about something else when you realize you are likely wrong.

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Ok well I'll see you again in three months when you make the same argument about why they weren't charged with theft and then back off and start talking about something else when you realize you are likely wrong.

    I see, so you won't answer my question that I have asked twice of you, you just want to rehash this one point that we are in disagreement with.

  16. #136
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    So you are now saying that Rob speaks the truth?
    Not today, but back in 2013 apparently he did. Why? Because he hadn't decide to steal this claim yet.

    I mean seriously mickey, do you want to put you bias away and tell me why Rob said this was illegal and wrong back in 2013? If he knew he has made this play, he would have been defending back then as he does today.
    Dude, you need to put YOUR bias away. You donít get to pick and choose when someone is telling the truth.
    I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40 hours a week to be broke.

  17. #137
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    So you are now saying that Rob speaks the truth?
    Not today, but back in 2013 apparently he did. Why? Because he hadn't decide to steal this claim yet.

    I mean seriously mickey, do you want to put you bias away and tell me why Rob said this was illegal and wrong back in 2013? If he knew he has made this play, he would have been defending back then as he does today.
    Dude, you need to put YOUR bias away. You donít get to pick and choose when someone is telling the truth.

    My bias is to believe "Singer" did the glitch thing because it makes him a monstrous public liar, misleading people about the source of his alleged winnings. But despite that being my preferred belief, I have a tough time with the posts where he's waiting for a statute of limitations to supposedly expire and he publicly states that others doing what he has done are engaged in an illegal activity.

    Hard to make lemonade out of those posts.

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Not today, but back in 2013 apparently he did. Why? Because he hadn't decide to steal this claim yet.

    I mean seriously mickey, do you want to put you bias away and tell me why Rob said this was illegal and wrong back in 2013? If he knew he has made this play, he would have been defending back then as he does today.
    Dude, you need to put YOUR bias away. You don’t get to pick and choose when someone is telling the truth.

    My bias is to believe "Singer" did the glitch thing because it makes him a monstrous public liar, misleading people about the source of his alleged winnings. But despite that being my preferred belief, I have a tough time with the posts where he's waiting for a statute of limitations to supposedly expire and he publicly states that others doing what he has done are engaged in an illegal activity.

    Hard to make lemonade out of those posts.
    I'll let up on kew for a bit since he's having such a difficult time with everybody, it seems. Just like on EVERY forum.

    Red, you like to pop into threads with some of what you probably consider "deep thinking". So why not do some here.

    Yes I misled my readers Big Time, but what was I supposed to do--say I was winning over $500k/yr. instead of $90k? You saw how much controversy and commotion/disbelief it caused. I thought it would be best to continue the historicals experienced during my first 4 years. I had no clue how long my writing or the play would last.

    Now fast-forward to the double up discussion here in 2013. No one has any idea what I did or what I was going thru as the Kane/Nestor case was winding it's way thru the courts. And I didn't bring the subject up either. Would it have been better for me to say what I did recently--that I thought it was OK to do it but then say I didn't think using existing hands or the same hand more than once wasn't? I was extremely careful with everything about this play, especially when I nor anyone else had any idea of anything past or future related to it.

    My intention between 2009-2019 was not to slip up or give away any hint of anything. So saying I "believed these guys broke the law" made me feel as if I were keeping eyes and suspicion away, as very small a chance as there was of anything happening. I didn't have to comment on the thread but, well, where would this place have been without me?

  19. #139
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This confirms how dumb you and likely your entire generation is. Do you actually think I'm going to give my actual beliefs that the play is 100% legal when I've been on the edge for the past 4 or 5 years--with at least five years to go before I might tell anyone?
    No you are so dumb. First that little comment about an entire generation really reveals your issue. You are a bitter old dude. I don't wish death upon anybody, but if you are really this bitter and angry with how your life has turned out, that all you want to do is bring everyone else down, why don't you just go ahead and end it. Put yourself out of your misery.

    I knew this would be your response and that makes zero sense. As a matter of fact, if you had made that play, which we both know you didn't, and had been caught, one of the defenses your attorney would want to use is that you didn't know or think this was illegal. And the prosecutors could use this very post from back in 2013 against you.

    So even for someone as dumb as you, this isn't flying. You are just scrambling as you always do. And now you will come back with some more name-calling and attacks having nothing to do with anything (deflections). I mean your game isn't even good any more. It is old and stale. And anyone who didn't already know that does after reading that 2013 thread. You are like a bad re-run. You can't even come up with anything new and original.
    You're the one thats bitter and angry. It seethes out of every post you make.
    I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40 hours a week to be broke.

  20. #140
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Not today, but back in 2013 apparently he did. Why? Because he hadn't decide to steal this claim yet.

    I mean seriously mickey, do you want to put you bias away and tell me why Rob said this was illegal and wrong back in 2013? If he knew he has made this play, he would have been defending back then as he does today.
    Dude, you need to put YOUR bias away. You don’t get to pick and choose when someone is telling the truth.

    My bias is to believe "Singer" did the glitch thing because it makes him a monstrous public liar, misleading people about the source of his alleged winnings. But despite that being my preferred belief, I have a tough time with the posts where he's waiting for a statute of limitations to supposedly expire and he publicly states that others doing what he has done are engaged in an illegal activity.

    Hard to make lemonade out of those posts.
    So, KJ, you get to call Redietz biased now.
    I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40 hours a week to be broke.

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