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  1. #1
    From his platform at the funny Farm, hopefully to be shut down soon, Moses is recruiting and trying to build an anti-KJ dream team, attempting to recruit anyone and everyone including many members from this forum. Mentioned specifically from this forum where Rob Singer, Axelwolf, Mickeycrimm, MaxPen, former member Alan and even reaching way back to LarryS. Other perceived KJ "enemies" that Moses is recruiting are Michael Shackleford, Norm Wattenberger. Moses is directly appealing for any kind of personal information that can aid him and his dream team recruits in tacking me down, assembling information on me supply to the casinos.

    Now frankly I think there is only one person mentioned that is disturbed enough to even consider this and of those mentioned, I don't consider most of the people mentioned enemies. I consider MaxPen an internet friend, as I still do Mickey even though we aren't on the friendliest of terms any longer. Axelwolf, Shackleford and Wattenberger, while I certainly don't consider friends, I know none of these people would participate in what Moses is asking.

    BUT this goes to a point I was making just days ago about me threatening to out Axelwolf and even about Mickey's "so called threat" to Mike Shackleford a couple years ago. Even if we haven't met personally, we all know each other well enough from these forums, or should know each other well enough to know what is real and what isn't. And in that regard I still don't believe Axelwolf, or MaxPen or anyone really thought I would really consider.....EVER consider doing what I said. THAT was just a spur of the moment 'pushed too far response. But this case, this Moses character is what someone plotting for years looks like.

    Now this brings me to my second point in this story. I have been saying for quite a while now that Axelwolf has been trying to undermine and discredit me....pretty much ever since I began challenging his buddy Mike over my banning. Axelwolf dismisses it as he is just playing and that is the way he act with everyone and I am just too sensitive.

    So this is a clear case of someone reading this and what do they see? They see it as Axelwolf is a KJ hater, that they should recruit. Now I hate to put Moses up as an example of any kind a rational person, because there is nothing sane or rational about him. But Axelwolf....take a look at how it is perceived. It is not just me that looks at what you have done and says, "oh, here's another guy out to get KJ that I can get on my team".
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-06-2019 at 02:00 PM.

  2. #2
    This has got to be one of the most convoluted and pointless feuds in the history of the internet. I love it.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    This has got to be one of the most convoluted and pointless feuds in the history of the internet. I love it.
    Exactly which feud are you talking about? In fairness I am probably involved in two "feuds" that have to do with or spilled to this site. One is my original Wattenberger feud which because Shackleford interjected himself when he should not have, has resulted in some "off-chute "spats" of his friends defending him.

    The second feud here is born on this site and that is Rob Singer and has to do with Rob's impossible and misleading claims. Rob takes that in all sorts of different directions with personal attacks, purposely to misdirect, because he can't defend the main feud/arguement, but that is the feud.


    This Moses situation is NOT a feud. THIS is a seriously mentally disturbed person making repeated threat that rises to a criminal level. The authorities are involved...not doing enough IMO, but involved and they are aware this person has a history and I mean a criminal history of these and similar acts. This Moses thing is not just internet games.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-06-2019 at 02:17 PM.

  4. #4
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?
    Run and hide and let the bullies and haters win? Is that what you would do? Well that is not how I chose to live my life.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?
    Run and hide and let the bullies and haters win? Is that what you would do? Well that is not how I chose to live my life.
    That's funny. You're just a coward with a lot of nonsense to say in order to cover for your phony, concocted life on the internet. You've clearly failed in that. Three guesses how your actual life is going.

  7. #7
    Don't worry KewlJ. Moses is perceived as a Nutjob who talks to himself at Zenzone. He's a joke. People in general don't take him seriously. He is the equivalent of the guy who scratches himself constantly, muttering to himself and laughing at himself. The fact that he plotted to find you and beat you up in the real world and IIRC dressed up as a woman in the real world in order to find you makes hin look even crazier. He will NOT create a Team successfully meant to take you down.

  8. #8
    How do you know that Moses hasn't indeed found kew, beat the living crap out of him like he asks for and deserves, then pissed on the fairy dust kew tried to fight back with?

    I don't know who Moses is, but he sounds like a very cool guy.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    How do you know that Moses hasn't indeed found kew, beat the living crap out of him like he asks for and deserves, then pissed on the fairy dust kew tried to fight back with?

    I don't know who Moses is, but he sounds like a very cool guy.
    You're getting "Cool guy" confused for "Psycho guy,"

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?
    Run and hide and let the bullies and haters win? Is that what you would do? Well that is not how I chose to live my life.
    That's funny. You're just a coward with a lot of nonsense to say in order to cover for your phony, concocted life on the internet. You've clearly failed in that. Three guesses how your actual life is going.

    After your recent mea culpa, this is a bold statement. I guess I had to jump in before reditz did. Sorry, I am still tired while racing from a hurricane.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?
    Run and hide and let the bullies and haters win? Is that what you would do? Well that is not how I chose to live my life.
    Why ANYONE would give a flip what was said about them on these forums is beyond me.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    From his platform at the funny Farm, hopefully to be shut down soon, Moses is recruiting and trying to build an anti-KJ dream team, attempting to recruit anyone and everyone including many members from this forum. Mentioned specifically from this forum where Rob Singer, Axelwolf, Mickeycrimm, MaxPen, former member Alan and even reaching way back to LarryS. Other perceived KJ "enemies" that Moses is recruiting are Michael Shackleford, Norm Wattenberger. Moses is directly appealing for any kind of personal information that can aid him and his dream team recruits in tacking me down, assembling information on me supply to the casinos.

    Now frankly I think there is only one person mentioned that is disturbed enough to even consider this and of those mentioned, I don't consider most of the people mentioned enemies. I consider MaxPen an internet friend, as I still do Mickey even though we aren't on the friendliest of terms any longer. Axelwolf, Shackleford and Wattenberger, while I certainly don't consider friends, I know none of these people would participate in what Moses is asking.

    BUT this goes to a point I was making just days ago about me threatening to out Axelwolf and even about Mickey's "so called threat" to Mike Shackleford a couple years ago. Even if we haven't met personally, we all know each other well enough from these forums, or should know each other well enough to know what is real and what isn't. And in that regard I still don't believe Axelwolf, or MaxPen or anyone really thought I would really consider.....EVER consider doing what I said. THAT was just a spur of the moment 'pushed too far response. But this case, this Moses character is what someone plotting for years looks like.

    Now this brings me to my second point in this story. I have been saying for quite a while now that Axelwolf has been trying to undermine and discredit me....pretty much ever since I began challenging his buddy Mike over my banning. Axelwolf dismisses it as he is just playing and that is the way he act with everyone and I am just too sensitive.

    So this is a clear case of someone reading this and what do they see? They see it as Axelwolf is a KJ hater, that they should recruit. Now I hate to put Moses up as an example of any kind a rational person, because there is nothing sane or rational about him. But Axelwolf....take a look at how it is perceived. It is not just me that looks at what you have done and says, "oh, here's another guy out to get KJ that I can get on my team".
    Quite honestly I don't know what you're capable of. I would never have thought you would even make a single utterance about outing another AP. But you did.
    Moses used to make the longest posts to say the simplest things the same as you do relating to topics such as this. You guys might have more in common than you think. Moses hasn't reached out to me asking for any info about you.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 09-06-2019 at 10:34 PM.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    From his platform at the funny Farm, hopefully to be shut down soon, Moses is recruiting and trying to build an anti-KJ dream team, attempting to recruit anyone and everyone including many members from this forum. Mentioned specifically from this forum where Rob Singer, Axelwolf, Mickeycrimm, MaxPen, former member Alan and even reaching way back to LarryS. Other perceived KJ "enemies" that Moses is recruiting are Michael Shackleford, Norm Wattenberger. Moses is directly appealing for any kind of personal information that can aid him and his dream team recruits in tacking me down, assembling information on me supply to the casinos.

    Now frankly I think there is only one person mentioned that is disturbed enough to even consider this and of those mentioned, I don't consider most of the people mentioned enemies. I consider MaxPen an internet friend, as I still do Mickey even though we aren't on the friendliest of terms any longer. Axelwolf, Shackleford and Wattenberger, while I certainly don't consider friends, I know none of these people would participate in what Moses is asking.

    BUT this goes to a point I was making just days ago about me threatening to out Axelwolf and even about Mickey's "so called threat" to Mike Shackleford a couple years ago. Even if we haven't met personally, we all know each other well enough from these forums, or should know each other well enough to know what is real and what isn't. And in that regard I still don't believe Axelwolf, or MaxPen or anyone really thought I would really consider.....EVER consider doing what I said. THAT was just a spur of the moment 'pushed too far response. But this case, this Moses character is what someone plotting for years looks like.

    Now this brings me to my second point in this story. I have been saying for quite a while now that Axelwolf has been trying to undermine and discredit me....pretty much ever since I began challenging his buddy Mike over my banning. Axelwolf dismisses it as he is just playing and that is the way he act with everyone and I am just too sensitive.

    So this is a clear case of someone reading this and what do they see? They see it as Axelwolf is a KJ hater, that they should recruit. Now I hate to put Moses up as an example of any kind a rational person, because there is nothing sane or rational about him. But Axelwolf....take a look at how it is perceived. It is not just me that looks at what you have done and says, "oh, here's another guy out to get KJ that I can get on my team".
    Quite honestly I don't know what you're capable of. I would never have thought you would even make a single utterance about outing another AP. But you did.
    Moses used to make the longest posts to say the simplest things the same as you do relating to topics such as this. You guys might have more in common than you think. Moses hasn't reached out to me asking for any info about you.
    To be fair, KewlJ admitted he said that impulsively and shouldn't have said that and feels remorse and regret for saying it.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    To be fair, KewlJ admitted he said that impulsively and shouldn't have said that and feels remorse and regret for saying it.
    Tasha, MaxPen just wants to be damned sure that I know he will never view me the same again and will never trust me. So just let him just say his peice. Nothing really has changed, because it is not like I was ever going to meet and hang out with any of these guys like MaxPen, Axel, ect (wizard's gang). I have lived in Vegas for 10 years. I was on WoV for 4 years and on other forums with them since. I mean 10 years, as a fulltime AP living in Vegas and participating on the same forums. Not once has anyone ever asked if I wanted to attend anything or hangout. Never a "hey a few of us are getting together for a couple beer. Is that something you would be interested in?" All I ever got was homophobic slurs and jokes.

    I even contacted Axelwolf, after Zenking moved to Vegas and was struggling so much, asking if there wasn't something he could do to help out Zenking, because I wanted Zenking to succeed. To his credit Axel, I guess Monet, probably MaxPen and some others had either just met up with Zenking or were about to. Either way, no invite as to whether I was interested in joining that or any other time. I never felt welcome with this crew. So MaxPen and Axelwolf will never trust me again. Again? As if any of them ever offered me any kind of friendship ever.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-07-2019 at 12:37 AM.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    To be fair, KewlJ admitted he said that impulsively and shouldn't have said that and feels remorse and regret for saying it.
    Tasha, MaxPen just wants to be damned sure that I know he will never view me the same again and will never trust me. So just let him just say his peice. Nothing really has changed, because it is not like I was ever going to meet and hang out with any of these guys like MaxPen, Axel, ect (wizard's gang). I have lived in Vegas for 10 years. I was on WoV for 4 years and on other forums with them since. I mean 10 years, as a fulltime AP living in Vegas and participating on the same forums. Not once has anyone ever asked if I wanted to attend anything or hangout. Never a "hey a few of us are getting together for a couple beer. Is that something you would be interested in?" All I ever got was homophobic slurs and jokes.

    I even contacted Axelwolf, after Zenking moved to Vegas and was struggling so much, asking if there wasn't something he could do to help out Zenking, because I wanted Zenking to succeed. To his credit Axel, I guess Monet, probably MaxPen and some others had either just met up with Zenking or were about to. Either way, no invite as to whether I was interested in joining that or any other time. I never felt welcome with this crew. So MaxPen and Axelwolf will never trust me again. Again? As if any of them ever offered me any kind of friendship ever.
    KewlJ you have always made it very clear that you never wanted to meet up with anyone from the forums. There was never anything stopping you from coming to a WoV spring thing or whatever. You're now again reading into stuff that is not there. As usual.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by unowme View Post
    Do you want to know what a rational person would do if they thought their participation in fringe Internet forums was causing real life issues?
    Run and hide and let the bullies and haters win? Is that what you would do? Well that is not how I chose to live my life.
    I'm afraid the 'bullies and haters' have already won. They've got you worried about hate groups forming to hurt you. You're being manipulated. Rational people with real lives would certainly reevaluate their participation....which apparently you have done several times but always come back.

    You need to ask yourself what you're getting out of fighting so many 'bullies and haters'. What is the purpose of this thread? How does this benefit your life or well being? When your Internet life is creating drama in your real life you've got to question your Internet life. My two cents anyway....but in your case I'd suggest following Alan Mendelson, Back off the keyboard and work on more important things in your life than anonymous posters talking shit on obscure gambling forums. Good luck with whatever you decide.

  17. #17
    Kew won't listen to reason, and he has no "real life". He habitually blames his woes on everybody but himself, and he is anal about needing to be perceived as being EXACTLY the type of person he's concocted on the forums. Anyone who doesn't agree with "the world according to kew" is a hater and a bully--which by the way is precisely what he is. His character is overrun with conflict and he thrives on it. Witness his many long and rambling posts which, as has already been said, radiate bloviated simplicity.

    He might want to pay some street thug to give him a vicious beating. It'd be the best day of his life.

  18. #18
    Kew you have so many neurotic hangups. Get a grip and wise up. You go into a psychotic rant over axel, then all you do is bring up his name almost a dozen times. I'm wondering....who appears in your wet dreams more: me or him?

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    To be fair, KewlJ admitted he said that impulsively and shouldn't have said that and feels remorse and regret for saying it.
    Tasha, MaxPen just wants to be damned sure that I know he will never view me the same again and will never trust me. So just let him just say his peice. Nothing really has changed, because it is not like I was ever going to meet and hang out with any of these guys like MaxPen, Axel, ect (wizard's gang). I have lived in Vegas for 10 years. I was on WoV for 4 years and on other forums with them since. I mean 10 years, as a fulltime AP living in Vegas and participating on the same forums. Not once has anyone ever asked if I wanted to attend anything or hangout. Never a "hey a few of us are getting together for a couple beer. Is that something you would be interested in?" All I ever got was homophobic slurs and jokes.

    I even contacted Axelwolf, after Zenking moved to Vegas and was struggling so much, asking if there wasn't something he could do to help out Zenking, because I wanted Zenking to succeed. To his credit Axel, I guess Monet, probably MaxPen and some others had either just met up with Zenking or were about to. Either way, no invite as to whether I was interested in joining that or any other time. I never felt welcome with this crew. So MaxPen and Axelwolf will never trust me again. Again? As if any of them ever offered me any kind of friendship ever.
    KewlJ you have always made it very clear that you never wanted to meet up with anyone from the forums. There was never anything stopping you from coming to a WoV spring thing or whatever. You're now again reading into stuff that is not there. As usual.
    That's exactly what I thought when I read this.

    At one point when kewlJ brought up those blackjack shufflers possibly cheating, and claimed he had a machine with which he could prove it, I told him I wanted to meet with him to see it.

    I promised to keep his identity secret, and in fact told him he didn't even need to tell me his identity. He declined. I can respect his desire for anonymity, but when you desire such anonymity, you can't complain when people don't invite you out socially.

    I don't think it has anything to do with you being gay. I have arranged to meet gay people in person from my other forum, and I had no concern about their sexuality. In general, I think that most gay guys will be respectful enough not to put the moves on me if they know I'm straight, so I don't worry about it.
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  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    That's exactly what I thought when I read this.

    At one point when kewlJ brought up those blackjack shufflers possibly cheating, and claimed he had a machine with which he could prove it, I told him I wanted to meet with him to see it.

    I promised to keep his identity secret, and in fact told him he didn't even need to tell me his identity. He declined. I can respect his desire for anonymity, but when you desire such anonymity, you can't complain when people don't invite you out socially.

    I don't think it has anything to do with you being gay. I have arranged to meet gay people in person from my other forum, and I had no concern about their sexuality. In general, I think that most gay guys will be respectful enough not to put the moves on me if they know I'm straight, so I don't worry about it.
    First, I have to laugh at you straight guys that think every gay guy is obsessed with you. Pathetic. That in itself is homophobic. It is an unrational fear of anyone different than you, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation THAT is what bigotry is and you are a perfect example.

    Second, damn straight I don't want to meet you Dan Druff. You are homophobic and a racist. I complete bigot. Beside all the hate you have allowed to be spewed at me, you recently allowed a member, Rob Singer to post "spook reparations". I have pointed it out to you and you still have done nothing. Might just as well allow "nigger". No difference.

    But god forbid, someone says something derogatory about Jewish people and you are up in arms and won't tolerate it. So fuck, no! I want nothing to do with a racist, homophobic bigot like you.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-08-2019 at 11:09 PM.

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