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  1. #1
    Despite my preference to want to believe "Singer" pulled off the glitch, I think that kewlJ's latest summary nailed it. He basically accounts for all of the information, including the seeming contradictions. If you go back years through this site, "Singer' discusses acquiring his own machines, but after Nestor/Kane became known. KewlJ's summary accounts for that, and the modest history of "Singer," although he allegedly could have won much more. It even accounts for the "Singer" wanderings through the state and country, perhaps in hopes of finding more Nestor/Kane machines in the outback. It accounts for the postings of "Singer" regarding the glitch while he was still ostensibly laying low due to "Statutes of Limitations." All of it ties together pretty easily.

    It explains the odd focus in the Mendelson site article, and it explains the Mendelson article lack of detail (or any mention, really) regarding where/when. Where/when has more chance of being verifiable. KewlJ's summary basically covers everything neatly.

    So kudos to kewlj for putting it all together. I think any fan of Occam's Razor would say he likely got it right. If kewlJ is correct, then anyone doing interviews with "Singer" will be stonewalled regarding W2Gs or credit card history laying out a where/when timeline of the exploitation.

    So, and I said it a long time ago, the Victor/Victoria analogy holds true. Instead of a woman posing as a man posing as a woman, we seem to have had an AP hater posing as an AP posing as an AP hater.

  2. #2
    I think it's more believable than Singer's claim.

  3. #3
    Lying George Costanza is more believable than Singer's claim.

    That old Jon Lovitz pathological liar character from SNL is more believable that Singer's claim.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 09-23-2019 at 12:05 PM.

  4. #4
    It does not matter if KJ is right or wrong redietz, you hoped Singer did pull the glitch off because you knew that many people would think that it just fits everything slimy about Singer's life. Im of the same opinion that the solving that glitch was no great AP accomplishment. Im in monet's camp on this one as he said it well:


    Now you got Rob Singer, who claims he has defrauded the Casino out of Millions of Dollars and if true, he is praised for his accomplishment.
    This is no better than Robbing Banks or Murder for Hire.
    The guy is preaching that he went into a Casino, hit some buttons and got paid thousands of dollars for something that he did in a dishonest manner.
    Not only doing this for years over and over but posting how to do it and that it could still work with certain machines so you too can steal money!!



    I know that I just said eat or be eaten in another post but I believe even some AP's have to draw the line somewhere. I do not consider cheating part of being a true AP. I know some will say that discovering and using that glitch was not cheating I do. Especially if you are waiting for the statue of limitations to run out. In my mind even if Rob hit a slot without a glitch for $5 million he will always be rotten to the core. That diversion story Rob used where he had to be mean and hurtful to everyone was bullshit. Mickeycrimm may have settled his differences with Rob, but, I have not forgiven him for what he said to mickeycrimm and yourself redeitz, KJ, arci or any of the others.

  5. #5
    This isn't about the nasty person that Rob is or the nasty things that he has said to numerous of us for years.

    This is about a guy that has trolled the AP community for decades making false claim after false claim...this being the "mother" of those bullshit claims.

    I think it was RS__ on another forum that said a few times Singer has been caught, he laughs it off with a "I got you guys good". And that is all this is...a pretty well played troll by the King of Troll.

    Hopefully he finally gives up and fades away now.

  6. #6
    I like watching you couple of guys getting so ruffled over all this. And having me be labeled rotten, nasty, etc. simply means mission accomplished! You see kew, it's blatantly obvious you're such a weak individual that "online forum life" is all you have. And when I see something as pathetic as that, I lick my chops. Then there's the added bonus of you telling us your worst flaw--you're a crazy mixed-up homo! Gee....that would have been a tough guess (wink wink)

    Now give me some more material please!

  7. #7
    Funny that "statute of limitations" was mentioned a couple of times in this thread. If Singer played the glitch from 2013 on....is the statue of limitations up? Would Rob be posting about it now? Or is this just another glitch to be ignored in KJ's zany theories?

    Back to the drawing board, KJ.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #8
    How do you have a statute of limitations for a non-crime?

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    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Just one W-2G would be enough to prosecute. Copies of W2-G's go to the IRS. So there would be a paper trail to the machine or machines.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Just one W-2G would be enough to prosecute. Copies of W2-G's go to the IRS. So there would be a paper trail to the machine or machines.
    ...if he got to play it and if he actually believed there was a crime.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Yeah, he claimed to own a machine or machines, on which he experimented and had printouts demonstrating non-randomness. The posts are on this forum, but you'd have to go back and sort through the back-and-forth between arci and "Singer." The years he claimed he had them were after the Kane/Nestor bug was publicized. It's not just a post or two. There's at least a couple dozen posts where "Singer" discusses his acquiring machines and working on them.

    I find it odd that mickey crimm chose to stay mum on this question, but chose to comment regarding other stuff. I mean, it is a key question.

    Look, nobody is going to buy the "Singer" yarn unless he provides some W2Gs and a timeline of when/where he exploited the glitch. That timeline would be backed up with credit card history of expenditures that follow the narrative. If there are no W2Gs and the credit card trail doesn't exist, then it's a real tough sell.
    Last edited by redietz; 09-23-2019 at 03:36 PM.

  13. #13
    I believe it was 2 machines he claimed to have owned. Now he will say he never said that and force someone to post where he did say that several times. Then he will change the story again and again.

    Won't be me looking. I am done wasting time on this crackpot....and that is exactly what he is and has been for 20 years. A total whack job trolling APs.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Just one W-2G would be enough to prosecute. Copies of W2-G's go to the IRS. So there would be a paper trail to the machine or machines.
    That is a sticking point for me. The last thing I would do is generate taxables if I was afraid of being prosecuted to the point of not even telling my family what I was up to. Way too easy to cleanup without taxables.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Yeah, he claimed to own a machine or machines, on which he experimented and had printouts demonstrating non-randomness. The posts are on this forum, but you'd have to go back and sort through the back-and-forth between arci and "Singer." The years he claimed he had them were after the Kane/Nestor bug was publicized. It's not just a post or two. There's at least a couple dozen posts where "Singer" discusses his acquiring machines and working on them.

    I find it odd that mickey crimm chose to stay mum on this question, but chose to comment regarding other stuff. I mean, it is a key question.

    Look, nobody is going to buy the "Singer" yarn unless he provides some W2Gs and a timeline of when/where he exploited the glitch. That timeline would be backed up with credit card history of expenditures that follow the narrative. If there are no W2Gs and the credit card trail doesn't exist, then it's a real tough sell.
    Great. And we will mail it to Alan.
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Yeah, he claimed to own a machine or machines, on which he experimented and had printouts demonstrating non-randomness. The posts are on this forum, but you'd have to go back and sort through the back-and-forth between arci and "Singer." The years he claimed he had them were after the Kane/Nestor bug was publicized. It's not just a post or two. There's at least a couple dozen posts where "Singer" discusses his acquiring machines and working on them.

    I find it odd that mickey crimm chose to stay mum on this question, but chose to comment regarding other stuff. I mean, it is a key question.

    Look, nobody is going to buy the "Singer" yarn unless he provides some W2Gs and a timeline of when/where he exploited the glitch. That timeline would be backed up with credit card history of expenditures that follow the narrative. If there are no W2Gs and the credit card trail doesn't exist, then it's a real tough sell.
    I find it odd that redietz thinks I'm supposed to immediately respond to everything that gets said here. I have a life. I'm not married to the internet.

    Did Rob specifically say he bought an IGT Game King that was manufactured in 2002? Or did you just assume that to be the case in order for it to support your narrative? That's what your and KJ's problem is. Long on speculation/conjecture but not a shred of proof. You want Rob to put up proof of his claim but you guys ain't putting up any evidence whatsoever to support your narrative.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The theory is that he only knew about the bug after Nestor and Kane were busted and only figured it out some time later.

    Under this theory he probably didn't get to play it in the wild much if at all, so there probably was no real concern about being charged or the statute of limitations. (And no concern once he heard charges had been dropped).

    Just to clarify, did Rob in fact state that he owned some VP machines? KewlJ's post says that he did but Rob's most recent post (about not being able to fit them into an RV) implies that he did not.
    Yeah, he claimed to own a machine or machines, on which he experimented and had printouts demonstrating non-randomness. The posts are on this forum, but you'd have to go back and sort through the back-and-forth between arci and "Singer." The years he claimed he had them were after the Kane/Nestor bug was publicized. It's not just a post or two. There's at least a couple dozen posts where "Singer" discusses his acquiring machines and working on them.

    I find it odd that mickey crimm chose to stay mum on this question, but chose to comment regarding other stuff. I mean, it is a key question.

    Look, nobody is going to buy the "Singer" yarn unless he provides some W2Gs and a timeline of when/where he exploited the glitch. That timeline would be backed up with credit card history of expenditures that follow the narrative. If there are no W2Gs and the credit card trail doesn't exist, then it's a real tough sell.
    I find it odd that redietz thinks I'm supposed to immediately respond to everything that gets said here. I have a life. I'm not married to the internet.

    Did Rob specifically say he bought an IGT Game King that was manufactured in 2002? Or did you just assume that to be the case in order for it to support your narrative? That's what your and KJ's problem is. Long on speculation/conjecture but not a shred of proof. You want Rob to put up proof of his claim but you guys ain't putting up any evidence whatsoever to support your narrative.
    They`re not the ones making the claim, they just don`t believe it. Why do they need to put up evidence??....

    I think it`s becoming clearer by the day that Mickey has 9-1/2 reasons to believe Rob

  18. #18
    Once again redietz is as clear as a bug-splattered windshield on a VW Bug.

    What "credit card transactions" are you talking about? I would have almost exactly the same amount as I had in my playing the double up glitch as I would have if I had played my strategy instead.

    Like I said----weird.

    This is like watching the Democrats and sleepy, creepy Joe Biden try to make believe he did nothing wrong when he said he'd have Obama withhold billions to the Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was making a case against Biden's drug-addicted son.

    It's called reaching for straws.

    I also never bought a machine. I had access to one that was going onto the floor of Aliante Station a few months before they opened in late 2008. It was an infected-era machine, but I had been making the play for 4-1/2 years by then, dummies. I was checking it for my 5th card flip over theory, which I was wrong about but I kept the story going just to have fun with the haters.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 09-23-2019 at 07:01 PM.

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  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Once again redietz is as clear as a bug-splattered windshield on a VW Bug.

    What "credit card transactions" are you talking about? I would have almost exactly the same amount as I had in my playing the double up glitch as I would have if I had played my strategy instead.

    Like I said----weird.

    This is like watching the Democrats and sleepy, creepy Joe Biden try to make believe he did nothing wrong when he said he'd have Obama withhold billions to the Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was making a case against Biden's drug-addicted son.

    It's called reaching for straws.

    I also never bought a machine. I had access to one that was going onto the floor of Aliante Station a few months before they opened in late 2008. It was an infected-era machine, but I had been making the play for 4-1/2 years by then, dummies. I was checking it for my 5th card flip over theory, which I was wrong about but I kept the story going just to have fun with the haters.
    OK. So the 5th card flip over- as I understood it- was related to machines NOT being random. Was the pseudo random program a farce also??

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