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  1. #21
    In May of 2002 I was dragging up on the Pioneer/Laughlin Double Time play. They had finally gotten it screwed down where it wasn't worth so much money. I made plans to head up to Vegas. Randy McKay told me "Mickey, you get around, check all the Gamemakers and see if you can find a game called Draw Till U Win." It was the first I had heard of the game. I asked him about the strategy. He said "Just call me if you find it." I don't blame him for not giving me the strategy. Why would I call him If I had the strategy? LOL! But what Randy didn't know, and I guess a lot of other AP's didn't know, was I could write video poker strategy with just the payscale, a calculator and scratch paper.

    So I went up to Vegas and checked into the Golden Gate. Downtown had a lot of vulturables in those days and also 10-20 holdem at the Horseshoe. So I'm lapping around the vulturables downtown and walk into the Vegas Club. First Bally Gamemaker I see I check it and lo and behold....there's Draw Till U Win. I sat down to play the game. It didn't look anything special, just a 6/5 Double Bonus payscale. After awhile I made a 4-card straight flush and found out about getting to draw until you hit a pay. I kept playing because I wanted to see what happened with a 4-card royal. So I finally get a 4-card royal and I get to draw until I win something. About the 6th card out I made the royal. So I hit a royal the first time I played the game.

    I cashed out and went back to my room at the Golden Gate. I was up there two days writing the strategy. Only came out to eat. I went over it and over it to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. When I felt it was good enough I stepped back over to the Golden Gate, sat down at the Gamemaker, and went to punch the game up....and it was gone! Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Shit!

    I looked all over Vegas for it. Couldn't find it anywhere. I kept thinking about what to do. I finally decided I was going to have to take a trip to Northern Nevada. From Reno/Tahoe all the way across to Wendover looking for that game.
    Luck is probability taken personally.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's been at the Masquerade Bar at the Rio for years.
    There's at least 3 bartops with it at Pioneer Crossing in Fernley. I think Bodines also has it in Carson, but not 100% sure.
    Yes Bodine's does have it on the floor. They also have the best breakfast in the area.

  3. #23
    We may have played 10-20 at the Shoe as I played in that game(s) since 95.
    I played in the 4-8 Omaha games as well for many years.
    Unless Ho came along and created a 10-20 or 15-30 Omaha Hi Game that is.
    In those days, Cherry Pie, Diamond Mines and Boom Machines were all the craze.

    Those were the days of Tony Sheldon, Hand Written Comps and Shaved Meat in the Sports Book Deli.
    We will never get them back.
    Now it is all perfumed air and don't drink or gamble too much or we will throw you out.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's been at the Masquerade Bar at the Rio for years.
    There's at least 3 bartops with it at Pioneer Crossing in Fernley. I think Bodines also has it in Carson, but not 100% sure.
    Yes Bodine's does have it on the floor. They also have the best breakfast in the area.
    I just eat at the Costco a block west from there - big pizza slice and fruit smoothie for five and change.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In May of 2002 I was dragging up on the Pioneer/Laughlin Double Time play. They had finally gotten it screwed down where it wasn't worth so much money. I made plans to head up to Vegas. Randy McKay told me "Mickey, you get around, check all the Gamemakers and see if you can find a game called Draw Till U Win." It was the first I had heard of the game. I asked him about the strategy. He said "Just call me if you find it." I don't blame him for not giving me the strategy. Why would I call him If I had the strategy? LOL! But what Randy didn't know, and I guess a lot of other AP's didn't know, was I could write video poker strategy with just the payscale, a calculator and scratch paper.

    So I went up to Vegas and checked into the Golden Gate. Downtown had a lot of vulturables in those days and also 10-20 holdem at the Horseshoe. So I'm lapping around the vulturables downtown and walk into the Vegas Club. First Bally Gamemaker I see I check it and lo and behold....there's Draw Till U Win. I sat down to play the game. It didn't look anything special, just a 6/5 Double Bonus payscale. After awhile I made a 4-card straight flush and found out about getting to draw until you hit a pay. I kept playing because I wanted to see what happened with a 4-card royal. So I finally get a 4-card royal and I get to draw until I win something. About the 6th card out I made the royal. So I hit a royal the first time I played the game.

    I cashed out and went back to my room at the Golden Gate. I was up there two days writing the strategy. Only came out to eat. I went over it and over it to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. When I felt it was good enough I stepped back over to the Golden Gate, sat down at the Gamemaker, and went to punch the game up....and it was gone! Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Shit!

    I looked all over Vegas for it. Couldn't find it anywhere. I kept thinking about what to do. I finally decided I was going to have to take a trip to Northern Nevada. From Reno/Tahoe all the way across to Wendover looking for that game.
    Great story. I liked the one you told about the slot attendant that would key up DTUW for his buddy and then take it out of the game selection screen when his buddy was finished. LOL.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    There's at least 3 bartops with it at Pioneer Crossing in Fernley. I think Bodines also has it in Carson, but not 100% sure.
    Yes Bodine's does have it on the floor. They also have the best breakfast in the area.
    I just eat at the Costco a block west from there - big pizza slice and fruit smoothie for five and change.
    I don't go to Costco's or Sam's Clubs. That Costco has to be filled with Comstock Country RVers, just like Bodines is. But their restaurant is excellent. The pizza is great, and when I'm there in the summers (going for 2 mos. next summer to make up for being grounded this summer) I have their great egg white veggie omelette at least four times a week.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In May of 2002 I was dragging up on the Pioneer/Laughlin Double Time play. They had finally gotten it screwed down where it wasn't worth so much money. I made plans to head up to Vegas. Randy McKay told me "Mickey, you get around, check all the Gamemakers and see if you can find a game called Draw Till U Win." It was the first I had heard of the game. I asked him about the strategy. He said "Just call me if you find it." I don't blame him for not giving me the strategy. Why would I call him If I had the strategy? LOL! But what Randy didn't know, and I guess a lot of other AP's didn't know, was I could write video poker strategy with just the payscale, a calculator and scratch paper.

    So I went up to Vegas and checked into the Golden Gate. Downtown had a lot of vulturables in those days and also 10-20 holdem at the Horseshoe. So I'm lapping around the vulturables downtown and walk into the Vegas Club. First Bally Gamemaker I see I check it and lo and behold....there's Draw Till U Win. I sat down to play the game. It didn't look anything special, just a 6/5 Double Bonus payscale. After awhile I made a 4-card straight flush and found out about getting to draw until you hit a pay. I kept playing because I wanted to see what happened with a 4-card royal. So I finally get a 4-card royal and I get to draw until I win something. About the 6th card out I made the royal. So I hit a royal the first time I played the game.

    I cashed out and went back to my room at the Golden Gate. I was up there two days writing the strategy. Only came out to eat. I went over it and over it to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. When I felt it was good enough I stepped back over to the Golden Gate, sat down at the Gamemaker, and went to punch the game up....and it was gone! Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Shit!

    I looked all over Vegas for it. Couldn't find it anywhere. I kept thinking about what to do. I finally decided I was going to have to take a trip to Northern Nevada. From Reno/Tahoe all the way across to Wendover looking for that game.
    Great story. I liked the one you told about the slot attendant that would key up DTUW for his buddy and then take it out of the game selection screen when his buddy was finished. LOL.
    That was at a truck stop in Wells, Nevada. I think it was a Pilot or something like that. They had a little 20 machine casino. Doug Reul told me that was going on. But then I got to see it for myself. I walked in there and they had 2 Gamemakers. Some guy is playing one so I look over his shoulder and sure enough he's playing DTUW. There was one attendent in the casino. I checked the other machine and it wasn't on that machine. So I go and get a hotel room. That night I went back. The guy was gone so I punch the game screen up and the game wasn't on it. So the next morning I go back and the same guy is playing DTUW.

    I figure they were using that game to skim that little casino and weren't going to let anyone else in on it. He and the slot attendants were in cahoots.
    Luck is probability taken personally.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In May of 2002 I was dragging up on the Pioneer/Laughlin Double Time play. They had finally gotten it screwed down where it wasn't worth so much money. I made plans to head up to Vegas. Randy McKay told me "Mickey, you get around, check all the Gamemakers and see if you can find a game called Draw Till U Win." It was the first I had heard of the game. I asked him about the strategy. He said "Just call me if you find it." I don't blame him for not giving me the strategy. Why would I call him If I had the strategy? LOL! But what Randy didn't know, and I guess a lot of other AP's didn't know, was I could write video poker strategy with just the payscale, a calculator and scratch paper.

    So I went up to Vegas and checked into the Golden Gate. Downtown had a lot of vulturables in those days and also 10-20 holdem at the Horseshoe. So I'm lapping around the vulturables downtown and walk into the Vegas Club. First Bally Gamemaker I see I check it and lo and behold....there's Draw Till U Win. I sat down to play the game. It didn't look anything special, just a 6/5 Double Bonus payscale. After awhile I made a 4-card straight flush and found out about getting to draw until you hit a pay. I kept playing because I wanted to see what happened with a 4-card royal. So I finally get a 4-card royal and I get to draw until I win something. About the 6th card out I made the royal. So I hit a royal the first time I played the game.

    I cashed out and went back to my room at the Golden Gate. I was up there two days writing the strategy. Only came out to eat. I went over it and over it to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. When I felt it was good enough I stepped back over to the Golden Gate, sat down at the Gamemaker, and went to punch the game up....and it was gone! Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Shit!

    I looked all over Vegas for it. Couldn't find it anywhere. I kept thinking about what to do. I finally decided I was going to have to take a trip to Northern Nevada. From Reno/Tahoe all the way across to Wendover looking for that game.
    Great story. I liked the one you told about the slot attendant that would key up DTUW for his buddy and then take it out of the game selection screen when his buddy was finished. LOL.
    That was at a truck stop in Wells, Nevada. I think it was a Pilot or something like that. They had a little 20 machine casino. Doug Reul told me that was going on. But then I got to see it for myself. I walked in there and they had 2 Gamemakers. Some guy is playing one so I look over his shoulder and sure enough he's playing DTUW. There was one attendent in the casino. I checked the other machine and it wasn't on that machine. So I go and get a hotel room. That night I went back. The guy was gone so I punch the game screen up and the game wasn't on it. So the next morning I go back and the same guy is playing DTUW.

    I figure they were using that game to skim that little casino and weren't going to let anyone else in on it. He and the slot attendants were in cahoots.
    Thanks Mickey. I suppose as a "casino employee", the attendant could request par sheets and set up accounts at Scientific Games, IGT,Aristocrat, etc.
    Perfectly legal.

  9. #29
    In Chaoots eh?
    I don't believe it.
    I was pretty sure after reading these forums that the gambling industry was honest, squeaky clean 99% of the time.
    Nothing but a bunch of Church Goers in these Casinos from my understanding, after reading posts from KJ and Boz, along with others.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    We may have played 10-20 at the Shoe as I played in that game(s) since 95.
    I played in the 4-8 Omaha games as well for many years.
    Unless Ho came along and created a 10-20 or 15-30 Omaha Hi Game that is.
    In those days, Cherry Pie, Diamond Mines and Boom Machines were all the craze.

    Those were the days of Tony Sheldon, Hand Written Comps and Shaved Meat in the Sports Book Deli.
    We will never get them back.
    Now it is all perfumed air and don't drink or gamble too much or we will throw you out.
    I played in all those games as well though I wasn't as regular as you because i traveled out of town a lot. I was at a lot of the WSOP's though from 92 until it moved to the Rio. I was there when Moneymaker won it and caused the poker boom. The 4-8 O8 game was like watching paint dry because the dealers were so bad and the old geezers were slow to act. That 4-8 Omaha High game was the nuts.

    That name, Ho, sounds familiar.
    Luck is probability taken personally.

  11. #31
    Along I-80, besides the casinos, there were bartop Gamemakers in pretty much all the bars, and trucks stops had plenty of them. I found DTUW in Sparks, Minden, Fernley, Fallon, Yerington, Carlin, Elko and Wendover. It took a few years for them to all disappear.
    Luck is probability taken personally.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    We may have played 10-20 at the Shoe as I played in that game(s) since 95.
    I played in the 4-8 Omaha games as well for many years.
    Unless Ho came along and created a 10-20 or 15-30 Omaha Hi Game that is.
    In those days, Cherry Pie, Diamond Mines and Boom Machines were all the craze.

    Those were the days of Tony Sheldon, Hand Written Comps and Shaved Meat in the Sports Book Deli.
    We will never get them back.
    Now it is all perfumed air and don't drink or gamble too much or we will throw you out.
    I played in all those games as well though I wasn't as regular as you because i traveled out of town a lot. I was at a lot of the WSOP's though from 92 until it moved to the Rio. I was there when Moneymaker won it and caused the poker boom. The 4-8 O8 game was like watching paint dry because the dealers were so bad and the old geezers were slow to act. That 4-8 Omaha High game was the nuts.

    That name, Ho, sounds familiar.
    Ho is some busted up drunk Asian that wanders around downtown in flip flops.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Ho is some busted up drunk Asian that wanders around downtown in flip flops.
    He is and has managed to stay in better shape than Sieed... Sigheed... Si Ied... however you spell it.

    I remember when Ho drank Heineken all the time...
    In 2006 or so he move to Heineken Light...
    In recent years it is Coors Light in a Glass!
    Nothing better than hearing him order that drink and go Ape Shit when he doesn't get a glass.
    Also fun when Cocktails ignores him or shuts him off... You don't want to make money!!
    F You... I do what I want!
    I don't care!
    I know the book! I play by book!

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I played in all those games as well though I wasn't as regular as you because i traveled out of town a lot. I was at a lot of the WSOP's though from 92 until it moved to the Rio. I was there when Moneymaker won it and caused the poker boom. The 4-8 O8 game was like watching paint dry because the dealers were so bad and the old geezers were slow to act. That 4-8 Omaha High game was the nuts.

    That name, Ho, sounds familiar.
    Maybe you played or heard of Detroit Larry??
    He used to play in that game a bunch.
    I am pretty sure he passed away 10 to 13 years ago.
    I heard that he died from someone else so that could be incorrect information.

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