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  1. #1
    Las Vegas city council voted to make sleeping on sidewalks a crime. Bunch of fucking assholes if you ask me. And yes, this is the appropriate subsection.

  2. #2
    I am a big supporter of homeless causes. I donate annually to 2 different homeless organizations in Las Vegas and up until 2 years ago, I donated one morning each week doing Laundry at a youth homeless center. So I am sympathetic to the homeless. But the homeless situation in Las Vegas is WAY out of control, as I am sure it is in most other major cities. Places in California and Arizona have been caught shipping homeless people to Vegas with a one way ticket. Like I said, it's just out of control.

    Las Vegas is about tourism and you just can't have the homeless epidemic that is the current situation, in the downtown and strip (and just off strip) tourist areas. Tourists literally have to step over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk. Have you been to Main Street along side Golden Gate, across the street from The Plaza? Absolutely disgusting. It will drive tourism down if it hasn't already. And that is the bread and butter of the Vegas economy. You just can't allow that.

    In addition to the casino tourist area, homeless is now rampant in all areas of metropolitan Las Vegas Valley, including the nicer areas of Summerlin and Henderson. I watched last months city council meeting on TV, and there were numerous business owners that showed videos of what they have to clean up every morning just to open their business. That isn't fair to these folks who sink their hard earned money into their businesses.

    So something had to be done. Obviously these people won't have the money to pay fines, so they will be locked up for 6 months. How is the county going to afford that? I also don't know that criminalizing homelessness is the answer. But I honestly don't know what the answer is. Something had to be done.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I am a big supporter of homeless causes. I donate annually to 2 different homeless organizations in Las Vegas and up until 2 years ago, I donated one morning each week doing Laundry at a youth homeless center. So I am sympathetic to the homeless. But the homeless situation in Las Vegas is WAY out of control, as I am sure it is in most other major cities. Places in California and Arizona have been caught shipping homeless people to Vegas with a one way ticket. Like I said, it's just out of control.

    Las Vegas is about tourism and you just can't have the homeless epidemic that is the current situation, in the downtown and strip (and just off strip) tourist areas. Tourists literally have to step over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk. Have you been to Main Street along side Golden Gate, across the street from The Plaza? Absolutely disgusting. It will drive tourism down if it hasn't already. And that is the bread and butter of the Vegas economy. You just can't allow that.

    In addition to the casino tourist area, homeless is now rampant in all areas of metropolitan Las Vegas Valley, including the nicer areas of Summerlin and Henderson. I watched last months city council meeting on TV, and there were numerous business owners that showed videos of what they have to clean up every morning just to open their business. That isn't fair to these folks who sink their hard earned money into their businesses.

    So something had to be done. Obviously these people won't have the money to pay fines, so they will be locked up for 6 months. How is the county going to afford that? I also don't know that criminalizing homelessness is the answer. But I honestly don't know what the answer is. Something had to be done.
    It has become a huge problem in most big cities all over the country especially during the summer months. I just think that to get a better handle on a shitty problem they cannot allow people to camp/sleep on the sidewalks or parks. It sounds harsh but the alternative as seen in SF, LA, & Vegas is not the answer. If you allow people to camp in public you get more of it. That is not charity, it’s subsidizing a huge problem and making it much worse. Big problem.

  4. #4
    Not to be argumentative, but I would like to suggest another point of view. Why does everyone automatically assume that being homeless is a problem? The noted Greek philosopher Diogenes had no home and lived in the public square in Athens. Alexander the Great, a student of philosophy, visited Diogenes and asked if he could do anything for him. It was cold that day and Diogenes reply was, "Don't stand between me and the sun". Rather than being angered by Diogenes' reply, Alexander (at the time the most power/richest man in the world) noted, "If were not Alexander, I would have been Diogenes". Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth are other obvious examples.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by The Gentle Grafter View Post
    Not to be argumentative, but I would like to suggest another point of view. Why does everyone automatically assume that being homeless is a problem? The noted Greek philosopher Diogenes had no home and lived in the public square in Athens. Alexander the Great, a student of philosophy, visited Diogenes and asked if he could do anything for him. It was cold that day and Diogenes reply was, "Don't stand between me and the sun". Rather than being angered by Diogenes' reply, Alexander (at the time the most power/richest man in the world) noted, "If were not Alexander, I would have been Diogenes". Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth are other obvious examples.
    I wonder how Alexander might have reacted had he seen Diogenes pull down his pants and take a crap in broad daylight right in front of the restaurant window he was eating lunch in....That is the kind of shit you see daily in Downtown Los Angeles

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by The Gentle Grafter View Post
    Not to be argumentative, but I would like to suggest another point of view. Why does everyone automatically assume that being homeless is a problem? The noted Greek philosopher Diogenes had no home and lived in the public square in Athens. Alexander the Great, a student of philosophy, visited Diogenes and asked if he could do anything for him. It was cold that day and Diogenes reply was, "Don't stand between me and the sun". Rather than being angered by Diogenes' reply, Alexander (at the time the most power/richest man in the world) noted, "If were not Alexander, I would have been Diogenes". Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth are other obvious examples.
    I wonder how Alexander might have reacted had he seen Diogenes pull down his pants and take a crap in broad daylight right in front of the restaurant window he was eating lunch in....That is the kind of shit you see daily in Downtown Los Angeles
    The "Gentle Grafter" would have grabbed a few napkins and gone outside to wipe his ass, while the homeless bum said "If you had stayed inside the sun would have eventually dried out my asshole, making for a tasty crunchy meal for other starving, drug-addicted degenerates like me".

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by The Gentle Grafter View Post
    Not to be argumentative, but I would like to suggest another point of view. Why does everyone automatically assume that being homeless is a problem? The noted Greek philosopher Diogenes had no home and lived in the public square in Athens. Alexander the Great, a student of philosophy, visited Diogenes and asked if he could do anything for him. It was cold that day and Diogenes reply was, "Don't stand between me and the sun". Rather than being angered by Diogenes' reply, Alexander (at the time the most power/richest man in the world) noted, "If were not Alexander, I would have been Diogenes". Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth are other obvious examples.
    I wonder how Alexander might have reacted had he seen Diogenes pull down his pants and take a crap in broad daylight right in front of the restaurant window he was eating lunch in....That is the kind of shit you see daily in Downtown Los Angeles
    It's an interesting coincidence that you made this remark. Diogenes frequently ended his lectures in Athens by doing just that. So, in truth, Alexander would not have been offended. Diogenes was a gifted speaker and folks just ignored his eccentricities. Of course, they would not have been so forgiving if they knew that fecal matter spreads diseases. I was merely attempting to point out that different people/cultures have different perspectives and we should not assume that someone who is homeless automatically needs assistance.

  8. #8
    Send them to the U.P. They won't be homeless for long. They will either get off the streets or die. You won't find any homeless on the streets in the U.P.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Send them to the U.P. They won't be homeless for long. They will either get off the streets or die. You won't find any homeless on the streets in the U.P.
    So I have to ask, what is U.P. ?

    Am I missing something obvious...

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Send them to the U.P. They won't be homeless for long. They will either get off the streets or die. You won't find any homeless on the streets in the U.P.
    So I have to ask, what is U.P. ?

    Am I missing something obvious...
    Upper Peninsula of Michigan. MWP is a yooper.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Send them to the U.P. They won't be homeless for long. They will either get off the streets or die. You won't find any homeless on the streets in the U.P.
    So I have to ask, what is U.P. ?

    Am I missing something obvious...
    Do you really want to sleep outdoors in this weather? Picture is from the snow belt region of the U.P. By the end of winter, the snow will be up to the 6 foot mark.

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  12. #12
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Send them to the U.P. They won't be homeless for long. They will either get off the streets or die. You won't find any homeless on the streets in the U.P.
    So I have to ask, what is U.P. ?

    Am I missing something obvious...
    Do you really want to sleep outdoors in this weather? Picture is from the snow belt region of the U.P. By the end of winter, the snow will be up to the 6 foot mark.

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    Fuck. I knew it was no time before this fucking guy was posting pictures of snow piles in the Las Vegas subsection. And Tasha, fuck off with your stupid long ass story and stay out of the thread.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    So I have to ask, what is U.P. ?

    Am I missing something obvious...
    Do you really want to sleep outdoors in this weather? Picture is from the snow belt region of the U.P. By the end of winter, the snow will be up to the 6 foot mark.

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    Fuck. I knew it was no time before this fucking guy was posting pictures of snow piles in the Las Vegas subsection. And Tasha, fuck off with your stupid long ass story and stay out of the thread.
    Fuck you Mcap!

  14. #14
    The city parks in Tucson are filling up with the homeless as we speak. It's a migration that occurs every year about this time. The mountain state homeless head south for the warmer winter weather and Tucson/Phoenix are the favorite stops. The hot weather in the spring runs them back north so the city parks will empty out then.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #15
    Maybe clean them up and get them jobs instead of throwing them in jail just because they are homeless.... I saw an episode of Mama's Family where Mama ended up in jail (Mama had been at a Rally for a Family Member, but unfortunately, the Police were arresting homeless people and they thought she was homeless too) with her Cousin who had become homeless... Mama was shocked to see her Cousin who used to own a successful business and have a big beautiful house with her Husband end up a Homeless Prisoner. Her Cousin explained that her Husband got injured and couldn't work anymore or something like that , so their once successful business and their big beautiful house went poof just like that. She ended up in jail for being homeless IIRC. Mama went from thinking homeless people only had themselves to blame and not feeling compassion for them to seeing the light when she realized her once successful Cousin was now a Homeless Prisoner because of what happened to her Husband... She also feels sorry when she sees a little girl in jail just for being homeless(I remember posting on another website something like"This little girl is like 9. I find it unrealistic that she'd be sitting in a jail cell for being homeless when she should have been put in Foster Care or something like that".. The little girl's mother said she felt her little girl was better off in jail than the streets.... Hmm...Mama gets to know the Homeless personally amd gets a lot of compassion for them....
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  16. #16
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Maybe clean them up and get them jobs instead of throwing them in jail just because they are homeless.....
    A very large percentage of the homeless population have issues such as drugs and mental heath therefore they are not employable.

    I'm not talking about people who find themselves in a odd situation.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Maybe clean them up and get them jobs instead of throwing them in jail just because they are homeless.....
    A very large percentage of the homeless population have issues such as drugs and mental heath therefore they are not employable.

    I'm not talking about people who find themselves in a odd situation.
    Good point, but maybe put them in Mental Health Hospitals and Rehab Centers instead of jail...

  18. #18
    Tucson is this state's most liberal city. The homeless migrate there before Phoenix because they're treated better there. It doesn't seem to be a huge problem around here like in looney-toon California, but most of the ones I've seen are drug addicts and/or alcoholics. That right there suggest mental issues.

    I'm like Nancy Pelosi on this subject--I pretend it isn't occurring because it doesn't affect me. It's not an easy problem to solve. Lots of these people became homeless on Obama's watch, due to his ignorance, arrogance, and motivating people not to work because of how no one needs to worry since "the Federal Government will take care of you all".

  19. #19
    Not only Vegas, but elsewhere, as well, they are also trying to criminalize giving homeless people food. Just a passive-aggressive way of eliminating certain people without appearing to be doing so.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Not only Vegas, but elsewhere, as well, they are also trying to criminalize giving homeless people food. Just a passive-aggressive way of eliminating certain people without appearing to be doing so.
    Everyone knows you're not supposed to feed the animals.
    Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one.

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