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Thread: The "Infamous tap," how do you handle it?

  1. #21
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Disclaimer. I know that I am supposed to cut down on the New Threads thing, but I feel that this is a decent idea for a thread and is not completely stupid like some of my threads are. I actually completely thought this thread through before hitting "Post."

    The "Back off from this game/ the Banned Tap." How do you handle it? I remember a guy saying he felt happy at first when he felt the "tap," as he was winning and as he had been expecting it to be a Friend he had been with getting ready to congratulate him on his winning game but it was instead a "Suit," telling him that he had been put on a watch list for card counting and winning too much and needed to back off the game. His happiness turned to frustration in just seconds as he had to leave the winning game. How do you handle the "Infamous tap?"
    Only question is if you gave the crackhead you paid to suck off an extra $20 to tap you on the shoulder so you could fully enjoy it.

    Hopefully you stole enough this week to blow his friend as well.
    Boz, stop bringing up that wallet thing. Once again, YOU are the only one constantly harping about it after everybody else treated it like a fart that stunk really badly but was then quickly forgotten about.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Disclaimer. I know that I am supposed to cut down on the New Threads thing, but I feel that this is a decent idea for a thread and is not completely stupid like some of my threads are. I actually completely thought this thread through before hitting "Post."

    The "Back off from this game/ the Banned Tap." How do you handle it? I remember a guy saying he felt happy at first when he felt the "tap," as he was winning and as he had been expecting it to be a Friend he had been with getting ready to congratulate him on his winning game but it was instead a "Suit," telling him that he had been put on a watch list for card counting and winning too much and needed to back off the game. His happiness turned to frustration in just seconds as he had to leave the winning game. How do you handle the "Infamous tap?"
    Only question is if you gave the crackhead you paid to suck off an extra $20 to tap you on the shoulder so you could fully enjoy it.

    Hopefully you stole enough this week to blow his friend as well.
    Boz, stop bringing up that wallet thing. Once again, YOU are the only one constantly harping about it after everybody else treated it like a fart that stunk really badly but was then quickly forgotten about.
    What an odd analogy. But then again I wouldn’t expect anything else from a proven lying thief like you. You are the pile of human shit that stinks more every time she creates another sock, tells another lie or just acts the only way her menial brain know how.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Only question is if you gave the crackhead you paid to suck off an extra $20 to tap you on the shoulder so you could fully enjoy it.

    Hopefully you stole enough this week to blow his friend as well.
    Boz, stop bringing up that wallet thing. Once again, YOU are the only one constantly harping about it after everybody else treated it like a fart that stunk really badly but was then quickly forgotten about.
    What an odd analogy. But then again I wouldn’t expect anything else from a proven lying thief like you. You are the pile of human shit that stinks more every time she creates another sock, tells another lie or just acts the only way her menial brain know how.
    Think about it. Farts stink really badly for like 10 seconds and then they get quickly forgotten about.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Obviously, the dealer has a.greater chance of 20.
    While this is true, the dealer will make a good hand out of a potential bust hand more frequently, it isn't the answer I was looking for, Slingshot. I though one of the blackjack guys would chime in and say, at a true count of -3, you are playing at a greater disadvantage, about 2% disadvantage, and the best option is to not be playing at such a negative count. That is the way I play anyway.

    That is the difference between blackjack card counting and something like VP. With blackjack the advantage is swinging back and forth between the house and player and you can pick and choose when you want to play and when you don't.
    This, to me, is hilarious! If I say quit playing while ahead in vp, I'm told it will have NO effect whatsoever on my income, but bj is different? And BTW, I'm also given all the math supposedly showing how misguided I am-mainly because they think I'm a Singer puppet and can't think for myself.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    This, to me, is hilarious! If I say quit playing while ahead in vp, I'm told it will have NO effect whatsoever on my income, but bj is different? And BTW, I'm also given all the math supposedly showing how misguided I am-mainly because they think I'm a Singer puppet and can't think for myself.
    Pretty foolish statement slingshot. I am not quitting because I am ahead or behind. I am quitting because the odds have gotten worse. The game at that point favors the house even more....so why do I want to play when there is a more favorable game nearby?

    As I said the odds constantly changing from round to round is one of the differences between blackjack and most other games.

    It would be like this comparison. You start playing a video poker game with a 99.5% return. Then all of the sudden the paytables change for the worse and the game now has a 96% return. Would you keep playing with the higher house advantage or move 2 seats down to another 99.5% return game?

  6. #26
    Mr Kewlj that is a very good analogy that you just gave Mr Slingshot. I have a related question: how do you measure your edge or advantage in Blackjack? I understand the count is what determines your advantage but can you be specific?

    For example, if all of the aces remain in the shoe after X number of hands, what is that worth?

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Mr Kewlj that is a very good analogy that you just gave Mr Slingshot. I have a related question: how do you measure your edge or advantage in Blackjack? I understand the count is what determines your advantage but can you be specific?

    For example, if all of the aces remain in the shoe after X number of hands, what is that worth?
    I am a little fuzzy on exactly what you are asking. But I will put it this way. All counts that card counters use to identify house advantage are an approximation or estimate.

    As for aces, the most important card because of the 150% blackjack payout, it is worth a lot, which is why many players side counters separately.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Mr Kewlj that is a very good analogy that you just gave Mr Slingshot. I have a related question: how do you measure your edge or advantage in Blackjack? I understand the count is what determines your advantage but can you be specific?

    For example, if all of the aces remain in the shoe after X number of hands, what is that worth?
    I am a little fuzzy on exactly what you are asking. But I will put it this way. All counts that card counters use to identify house advantage for the next round are an approximation or estimate.

    As for aces, the most important card because of the 150% blackjack payout, it is worth a lot, which is why many players side counters separately.

    If I have misunderstood your question, try to clarify and will try to answer later when I get home if no one else has given a satisfactory answer by then.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    This, to me, is hilarious! If I say quit playing while ahead in vp, I'm told it will have NO effect whatsoever on my income, but bj is different? And BTW, I'm also given all the math supposedly showing how misguided I am-mainly because they think I'm a Singer puppet and can't think for myself.
    Pretty foolish statement slingshot. I am not quitting because I am ahead or behind. I am quitting because the odds have gotten worse. The game at that point favors the house even more....so why do I want to play when there is a more favorable game nearby?

    As I said the odds constantly changing from round to round is one of the differences between blackjack and most other games.

    It would be like this comparison. You start playing a video poker game with a 99.5% return. Then all of the sudden the paytables change for the worse and the game now has a 96% return. Would you keep playing with the higher house advantage or move 2 seats down to another 99.5% return game?
    Exactly! So if I get a good payout from one vp machine and quit THAT machine if play downgrades, and move to another machine I have accomplished the same.

  10. #30
    You know what my problem with you is Slingshot? I can never tell if you are serious or are yanking my chain. So I always treat you as being serious. But I think most oftentimes you are yanking my chain. At least I hope that for your sake, because if you believe the nonsense you write (usually Singer's beliefs)....then WOW.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Mr Kewlj that is a very good analogy that you just gave Mr Slingshot. I have a related question: how do you measure your edge or advantage in Blackjack? I understand the count is what determines your advantage but can you be specific?

    For example, if all of the aces remain in the shoe after X number of hands, what is that worth?
    I am a little fuzzy on exactly what you are asking. But I will put it this way. All counts that card counters use to identify house advantage for the next round are an approximation or estimate.

    As for aces, the most important card because of the 150% blackjack payout, it is worth a lot, which is why many players side counters separately.

    If I have misunderstood your question, try to clarify and will try to answer later when I get home if no one else has given a satisfactory answer by then.
    Your answer will suffice. Thank you Mr Kewlj.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You know what my problem with you is Slingshot? I can never tell if you are serious or are yanking my chain. So I always treat you as being serious. But I think most oftentimes you are yanking my chain. At least I hope that for your sake, because if you believe the nonsense you write (usually Singer's beliefs)....then WOW.
    Don't have time for that nonsense-yanking one's chain. I love playing vp and have experienced all I believe. Just because Singer has similar experiences has nothing to do with it-save the fact I found merit in two of his strategies, as well as his thinking on win/loss goals.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post

    This, to me, is hilarious! If I say quit playing while ahead in vp, I'm told it will have NO effect whatsoever on my income, but bj is different? And BTW, I'm also given all the math supposedly showing how misguided I am-mainly because they think I'm a Singer puppet and can't think for myself.
    It would be like this comparison. You start playing a video poker game with a 99.5% return. Then all of the sudden the paytables change for the worse and the game now has a 96% return. Would you keep playing with the higher house advantage or move 2 seats down to another 99.5% return game?[/QUOTE]

    Originally Posted by slingshot[/QUOTE]

    Exactly! So if I get a good payout from one vp machine and quit THAT machine if play downgrades, and move to another machine I have accomplished the same.[/QUOTE]

    Now this is really funny! Slingshot KJ was talking about how you should always be playing the highest upfront percentage (based by the pay tables) video poker machines that are available. I will add, of course based on your bankroll. What you are countering with is that you need to move around and try to find machines that are not cold, or turning cold and are paying out. Not knowing that the machine you just left may be ready to pay a large jackpot. Your way is voodoo thinking royally!

  14. #34
    "Voodoo thinking royally" as in Royal flush. Very good Bosox. A+

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    "Voodoo thinking royally" as in Royal flush. Very good Bosox. A+
    You are giving out grades now? You going bob21 on us?

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    "Voodoo thinking royally" as in Royal flush. Very good Bosox. A+
    You are giving out grades now? You going bob21 on us?
    I don't know anything about Bob21 giving grades AND don't want to.

    I was just giving "Dad" (I read he was my Dad on another forum) a pat on the back.

  17. #37
    Slingshot, I think all casinos should flat bet you to play on only one machine lifetime for nickels.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Slingshot, I think all casinos should flat bet you to play on only one machine lifetime for nickels.
    I want sling in my casino with all of his money. Because it'll eventually be all mine!

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Slingshot, I think all casinos should flat bet you to play on only one machine lifetime for nickels.
    I want sling in my casino with all of his money. Because it'll eventually be all mine!
    Pardon me, he has taken an extensive money management course to avoid those problems, and knows the secrets to success.

  20. #40
    I think we should all lighten up on Slingshot. He has made it clear that he is not trying to be an AP or play with an advantage. he is just there to have fun. And he believes that a progressive betting system allows him to stretch his money and make his money last longer. This of course is a fallacy, but he can believe whatever he wants and play how ever he wants.

    I have to admit, I cringe each time I hear him repeat Singer's talking points word for word. But again, he can do and believe what he wants.

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