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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    There's no proof either way if Rob tips or not. Going back to his Aceshii days of 15+ years ago till present he's been staunchly on the Anti-tip side. I tend to agree for 90+% of situations. If people were honest with themselves(especially AP's) they would admit, it's a farce more often then not. Most of these tipped casino employees are way overpaid for the service they render to the public. Some grossly so.
    As I have said before.
    Tipping is part of the American Culture.
    But that doesn't mean you have to tip.
    Fuck Tipping, if you don't want to tip, don't tip.
    Same with Playstation.
    I bought a Used PS4 a year or so ago but refuse to pay them their monthly fee to play other people online even though that is the best feature of gaming.
    So instead if I want to play people online I do it from my computer which is free.
    The PS4 is mostly for some entertainment for my family but now they can't use the controllers because they get carpal problems.
    18 dollars a month to play online is sheer madness and I refuse to pay it.
    Although Skate 4 is coming out soon and I hope I can get it on the PC because that is a fun game to play against others online.

    Sometimes I tip jackpots sometimes I don’t. I always tip the waiter at dinner. I often tip because I know most of the people in the casinos make jack shit.

    What’s rich ? Idk anymore my days blend together one after another it seems. My tip may actually be the highlight of someone’s day. That’s often my thought when I tip big.

    The real question is where are the people who make real money ? They don’t really exist half the people on these podcast are card counters who work part time, and are on teams. The other half are lazy and don’t put in the hours. So I been chasing a phantom All these years. A guy or crew I imagined that made many times what I had. Come to find out it was just a figment of my imagination. There’s really only fraudulent guys in this business. None of them make real money.

    Fraudulent guys everywhere

    For example Eliot and the wizard made fraudulent peasant money. Now they sit on a thrown of lies and cum. Talking shit helping casinos. Frauds

  2. #22
    The problem with tipping is all these places that want you to pre-tip as you are ordering your food to then pick it up at a counter or dropped off at your table. Then you tip and get the wrong order etc. The incentive isn't even there for them to do a good job due to your tip. It is just some sort of entitlement of their employer's and their employees.

    Almost as absurd as slot techs expecting a tip on a handpay that only exists to force you to pay taxes on what is likely a net loss.
    'i don't read blogs by scumbags.' - Crimm

  3. #23
    I get both sides of the tipping argument & agree it’s a personal choice, & don’t object to people who either do tip or don’t tip.

    I especially emphasize with recreational losing players not happy on having to tip for hand pays.

    Personally, I like to tip for 2 main reasons:

    1. If I am consistently winning at a lucrative place & constantly getting hand pays, then I want to keep the employees happy & not be looked at as the dick that doesn’t tip. Rather be known as the generous tipper so if they decide to clean house at least it would be a mark in my favor as opposed to being known as a nit that is cleaning them out & also pisses off the employees by not tipping.

    2. I respect anyone that works for living. Being in casinos you see a lot of panhandlers, con artists, bums, druggies, & scumbags, people that add absolutely no value to society. At least the employees are working & casinos are a crummy environment to work 40 hours a week in so I respect & empathize with someone who works in a crappy job like that & therefore don’t mind tipping these folks.

    Again though, I get both sides of the issue & although I am a generous tipper, I have no issue with people that have the opposite opinion & I totally understand their point of view.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    I get both sides of the tipping argument & agree itís a personal choice, & donít object to people who either do tip or donít tip.

    I especially emphasize with recreational losing players not happy on having to tip for hand pays.

    Personally, I like to tip for 2 main reasons:

    1. If I am consistently winning at a lucrative place & constantly getting hand pays, then I want to keep the employees happy & not be looked at as the dick that doesnít tip. Rather be known as the generous tipper so if they decide to clean house at least it would be a mark in my favor as opposed to being known as a nit that is cleaning them out & also pisses off the employees by not tipping.

    2. I respect anyone that works for living. Being in casinos you see a lot of panhandlers, con artists, bums, druggies, & scumbags, people that add absolutely no value to society. At least the employees are working & casinos are a crummy environment to work 40 hours a week in so I respect & empathize with someone who works in a crappy job like that & therefore donít mind tipping these folks.

    Again though, I get both sides of the issue & although I am a generous tipper, I have no issue with people that have the opposite opinion & I totally understand their point of view.
    When I was younger, 15% was if they were good at their job and anything that was considered generous. Now they want you to tip 18% for starters. And I see tip jars at some ridiculous places but hey good for trying.

    One problem is IF employers pay a better hourly, then they have to raise menu prices which makes it harder to compete but tips mean the nice people subsidize the not so nice people.

    I tend to tip on places that take cash but not the cashless place. I also tip far more %wise when the food is cheap and the clientel probably don't tip very well.

    W2Gs are a whole different thing. I am 50/50 on that thing. Oh I won a jackpot but you're doing the part where I have to pay taxes on it! and I even have to pay taxes on my tip. (unless of course you itemize gambling losses.)
    'i don't read blogs by scumbags.' - Crimm

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    I get both sides of the tipping argument & agree itís a personal choice, & donít object to people who either do tip or donít tip.

    I especially emphasize with recreational losing players not happy on having to tip for hand pays.

    Personally, I like to tip for 2 main reasons:

    1. If I am consistently winning at a lucrative place & constantly getting hand pays, then I want to keep the employees happy & not be looked at as the dick that doesnít tip. Rather be known as the generous tipper so if they decide to clean house at least it would be a mark in my favor as opposed to being known as a nit that is cleaning them out & also pisses off the employees by not tipping.

    2. I respect anyone that works for living. Being in casinos you see a lot of panhandlers, con artists, bums, druggies, & scumbags, people that add absolutely no value to society. At least the employees are working & casinos are a crummy environment to work 40 hours a week in so I respect & empathize with someone who works in a crappy job like that & therefore donít mind tipping these folks.

    Again though, I get both sides of the issue & although I am a generous tipper, I have no issue with people that have the opposite opinion & I totally understand their point of view.
    When I was younger, 15% was if they were good at their job and anything that was considered generous. Now they want you to tip 18% for starters. And I see tip jars at some ridiculous places but hey good for trying.

    One problem is IF employers pay a better hourly, then they have to raise menu prices which makes it harder to compete but tips mean the nice people subsidize the not so nice people.

    I tend to tip on places that take cash but not the cashless place. I also tip far more %wise when the food is cheap and the clientel probably don't tip very well.

    W2Gs are a whole different thing. I am 50/50 on that thing. Oh I won a jackpot but you're doing the part where I have to pay taxes on it! and I even have to pay taxes on my tip. (unless of course you itemize gambling losses.)
    Agree with you there. I remember when a restaurant tip was 10% & then 15% was if the service was excellent.

    Now I see on restaurant bills they will have a little tip guide showing the amount for different percentages & recently Iíve noticed they have a listing for 25% LOL.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    I get both sides of the tipping argument & agree it’s a personal choice, & don’t object to people who either do tip or don’t tip.

    I especially emphasize with recreational losing players not happy on having to tip for hand pays.

    Personally, I like to tip for 2 main reasons:

    1. If I am consistently winning at a lucrative place & constantly getting hand pays, then I want to keep the employees happy & not be looked at as the dick that doesn’t tip. Rather be known as the generous tipper so if they decide to clean house at least it would be a mark in my favor as opposed to being known as a nit that is cleaning them out & also pisses off the employees by not tipping.

    2. I respect anyone that works for living. Being in casinos you see a lot of panhandlers, con artists, bums, druggies, & scumbags, people that add absolutely no value to society. At least the employees are working & casinos are a crummy environment to work 40 hours a week in so I respect & empathize with someone who works in a crappy job like that & therefore don’t mind tipping these folks.

    Again though, I get both sides of the issue & although I am a generous tipper, I have no issue with people that have the opposite opinion & I totally understand their point of view.
    When I was younger, 15% was if they were good at their job and anything that was considered generous. Now they want you to tip 18% for starters. And I see tip jars at some ridiculous places but hey good for trying.

    One problem is IF employers pay a better hourly, then they have to raise menu prices which makes it harder to compete but tips mean the nice people subsidize the not so nice people.

    I tend to tip on places that take cash but not the cashless place. I also tip far more %wise when the food is cheap and the clientel probably don't tip very well.

    W2Gs are a whole different thing. I am 50/50 on that thing. Oh I won a jackpot but you're doing the part where I have to pay taxes on it! and I even have to pay taxes on my tip. (unless of course you itemize gambling losses.)
    Agree with you there. I remember when a restaurant tip was 10% & then 15% was if the service was excellent.

    Now I see on restaurant bills they will have a little tip guide showing the amount for different percentages & recently I’ve noticed they have a listing for 25% LOL.
    Yes it is standard to have bottom tier at 18% which is beyond the "good" tip when I was young... A friend of mine said but but inflation.. <facepalm>
    'i don't read blogs by scumbags.' - Crimm

  7. #27
    When I was in high school and college everyone said 15% was standard and that that was what they paid.

    But I worked a few restaurant jobs and the average tip was definitely below 15%. That's always stuck with me for some reason.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    As I have said before.
    Tipping is part of the American Culture.
    But that doesn't mean you have to tip.
    Fuck Tipping, if you don't want to tip, don't tip.
    Try this next time you have a party of four or more and wish to eat in a "quality" restaurant.

    Tell the waiter when they are seating you that "I do not tip, you will not receive a tip from this party," and see if the level and quality of service / food diminishes.
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    As I have said before.
    Tipping is part of the American Culture.
    But that doesn't mean you have to tip.
    Fuck Tipping, if you don't want to tip, don't tip.
    Try this next time you have a party of four or more and wish to eat in a "quality" restaurant.

    Tell the waiter when they are seating you that "I do not tip, you will not receive a tip from this party," and see if the level and quality of service / food diminishes.
    lol Why on Earth would you do that if you were someone that doesn't tip?
    Anyways, if you are going to dinner with three other people you should be figuring out a way to get them to pay for the bill and the tip.
    That makes your crazy idea or strategy of declaring to the wait staff that you don't tip kind of moot.
    Or if you're a real man and you like to have real fun you will run that bill up sky high and Dine and Dash!!
    The trick is to tell the other 3 people to go out to the car that you are going to pay the bill and order desert or a to go order as you go to the bathroom.
    You do not want them in on it because that is no fun.
    Make them think you are paying for the bill.
    Of course after you go to the bathroom you just walk out the door.
    Best to do this during a busy time.

  10. #30
    No, I believe in truth and candor: tell them up front.

    If they or mgt. have a problem with it and ask you to leave, then leave, but odds are they won't.

    That way you can not tip with a clear conscience, assuming that is your bag.

    I was wondering how the staff would react, and whether it would be reflected somehow in the quality of the food and service.

    Humana nature and everything...
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    No, I believe in truth and candor: tell them up front.

    If they or mgt. have a problem with it and ask you to leave, then leave, but odds are they won't.

    That way you can not tip with a clear conscience, assuming that is your bag.

    I was wondering how the staff would react, and whether it would be reflected somehow in the quality of the food and service.

    Humana nature and everything...
    I keep trying to explain to everyone that it's a culture clash.
    And like ZK and others have pointed out it is a scam implemented long ago by owners to undercut their employees.
    Most of the other countries in the world do not tip.
    What you are talking about is completely different.
    If I walk in and tell them that I don't believe in restrooms and piss and shit all over the floor how would they feel?
    Or instead of that crime what if I tell them I piss and shit on the bathroom floor because I don't believe in toilets.
    Therefore, you do not tell them anything.
    You just piss and shit on the bathroom floor because that is what you do.
    The same thing applies to tipping.
    You don't tell them because most people who do tip will leave a worse tip or no tip for poor service.
    You don't tip at Taco Bell or McDonalds do you?
    Let's not get into the Reservoir Dogs discussion again.

  12. #32
    This belongs in the Song Reco Thread but I'm putting it in here because Weird Al has a line about "No Tip For You" in the song.
    I think that many of us who grew up listening to Weird Al in the 70s up till about the mid 90s or so missed out on a lot of his material because MTV changed format and the Dr. Demento Show didn't exist anymore.
    And I'm sure age, life, getting married, having children and other priorities got in the way.
    Anyways, I always loved the Doors and most of their music.
    Like 95% of it.
    I just found out that Weird Al did a parody of Jim Morrison and Holy Shit does he go Hard on the song.
    It's pretty awesome.
    And the Kicker is that Ray Manzarek played keyboards on the studio recording of the song with Weird Al.
    Whatever... listen to it or not but he/it needs to be promoted in my opinion.


  13. #33
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    No, I believe in truth and candor: tell them up front.

    If they or mgt. have a problem with it and ask you to leave, then leave, but odds are they won't.

    That way you can not tip with a clear conscience, assuming that is your bag.

    I was wondering how the staff would react, and whether it would be reflected somehow in the quality of the food and service.

    Humana nature and everything...
    I operated restaurants. Wind up with spit or jizz or worse in your food.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I was wondering how the staff would react
    Yikes..pretty naive for someone who grew up where you did.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    This belongs in the Song Reco Thread but I'm putting it in here because Weird Al has a line about "No Tip For You" in the song.
    I think that many of us who grew up listening to Weird Al in the 70s up till about the mid 90s or so missed out on a lot of his material because MTV changed format and the Dr. Demento Show didn't exist anymore.
    And I'm sure age, life, getting married, having children and other priorities got in the way.
    Anyways, I always loved the Doors and most of their music.
    Like 95% of it.
    I just found out that Weird Al did a parody of Jim Morrison and Holy Shit does he go Hard on the song.
    It's pretty awesome.
    And the Kicker is that Ray Manzarek played keyboards on the studio recording of the song with Weird Al.
    Whatever... listen to it or not but he/it needs to be promoted in my opinion.


    I love Weird Al. He nails this. He almost always does.

    The cousin of a girl I dated back in the 70's was an award-winning accordion player from Sheppton PA. I saw him do a couple of lounge-type performances. So I was appreciative of Weird Al's expertise with an accordion. The place I grew up had an hour-long polka hour (named "Polka Party") on the radio every day, so I was hip to where Weird Al was coming from with his Polka Party album.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The cousin of a girl I dated back in the 70's
    LOL...classic ditz.

    Musings from the spectrum, by Diet Coke no ice.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I love Weird Al. He nails this. He almost always does.

    The cousin of a girl I dated back in the 70's was an award-winning accordion player from Sheppton PA. I saw him do a couple of lounge-type performances. So I was appreciative of Weird Al's expertise with an accordion. The place I grew up had an hour-long polka hour (named "Polka Party") on the radio every day, so I was hip to where Weird Al was coming from with his Polka Party album.
    You might be one of the only Forum Members that enjoy and know who Frank Zappa is.
    If you like Frank Zappa's music and never heard Weird Al's "Genius in France" you may want to listen to it.
    It's a song everyone should listen to at least once.


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