Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 51

Thread: The lack of new bonus machines

  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Very interesting. Ive heard people discuss this before about how a new game is juicy and later drys up and debate whether the game was changed or it was just due to variance.
    We have a guy who travels; he is not a statistician but studied stats in grad school for data analysis skills. If you ask him the number for a game, he will tell you. He is not a Bonus Hustler but plays them and best part is he cracks the game: bonus rounds, RTP’s, meter movements, and when there are ways to exploit game design defects, e.g. game wasn’t designed correctly. He lets us know which machines are new and how to beat them, the level of competition, etc.

    He has benchmarked numerous games so he knew when the Harley’s were changed, e.g. increased frequency of the bonus symbol in column 3 thus makes game harder to win (since there are less winning combinations). In Wheel of Fortune 4D, the Scatter symbol appearing in Column 2 frequently kills the game and devalues the banked “$” that turns wild. Really anal-retentive stuff that almost no one pays attention to.

    I will share Joe Blow since I did some work independent of what he did. We trade notes from time to time. There were 4 versions of Joe Blow in North Cali market. The loosest one is gone. In this version, any 6 firecrackers (or dynamites) was a play since firecrackers awarded were decidedly non-linear, e.g. your chances at next firecracker was based on existing number of firecrackers. The more firecrackers you saw the better. But this version is gone.

    The next version had a visual: if two or more “reels” showed 3 firecrackers spinning by, you had a 95%+ chance of being awarded 3 firecrackers in at least one “reel”.

    The worst version had a RTP in the 85% range and was very hard to beat using stand rules.

    What is left is the 3rd version in most casinos and is pretty easy to make money on if you know what you are doing.

    These bonus machines come in different settings so it’s important to know which version is which.
    The harley's are a shared revenue game so a low payback to start with. I spent significant time analyzing the game along some friends. We put the game at 85%. And the mini in the low 30's was never a play unless the maxi was in the 30's and you did an either/or. But the game was beatable with correct numbers.

    So the houses were making 15% on the game and then they lowered the payback from there? I've never bought this kind of crap from other AP's.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The harley's are a shared revenue game so a low payback to start with. I spent significant time analyzing the game along some friends. We put the game at 85%. And the mini in the low 30's was never a play unless the maxi was in the 30's and you did an either/or. But the game was beatable with correct numbers.

    So the houses were making 15% on the game and then they lowered the payback from there? I've never bought this kind of crap from other AP's.
    1. This turned out to be a good thread and is why bonus hustlers need to be careful.

    2. I first got wind of the 35 number for Mini because it can out of Vegas. I didn’t trust that number. It wasn’t until a East Coast contact independently arrive at the same 35 number that I started playing HD. So when two smart sets of people arrive at the same number independent of each other after clocking the reels, it was no accident. People were making money off the 35 number for mini’s.

    3. The low payback was probably due to Micky’s team not including the Progressive jackpot.

    Moral of this thread: Folks, we are dealing with information asymmetry and the game’s setting is highly dependent on where you play; these machines have different settings.

  3. #23
    Hey Mickey, here is one thing my group does that almost no other AP group does when solving bonus machines.

    We use option theory due to the high asymmetrical, rare payoffs.

    For example we would use a Markov chain to explain Scarab. I have never heard of a group that uses option pricing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    - You will get a-ho’s that try to intimidate you; some will rat you out to the casinos (it sucks when it happens but you just have to deal with it); some will doxx you (happened to me twice and I didn’t know what doxxing was until someone explained it to me); some will collude and lie to casino that you harass them (which is STUPID since we are being filmed), etc

    - You will get teams that camp and vulture so you can’t check certain banks of the better games. Some casinos have no camping rules and some casinos don’t. In one particular casino, you can’t lock up a machine, e.g. turn the seat around and throw a jacket on the seat. In Reno, it’s okay if a team locks up a bank of a progressive RF, but that doesn’t work in this casino.
    EVBandit, the Filipino crew regularly engages in all of the above. Pretty sure they were single-handedly responsible for getting several lucrative slots 86'ed from the floor like VG,OS,PnZ,HD,EK,GG,AF,2/3rds of the TS's and the GJs, with their endless campouts and ploppy alienations.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Interesting story about the hustler using the lock button to keep the machine on a higher denomination, hoping the ploppies won't notice and will just spin it into +EV territory.

    I wonder how well that works.
    The Golden Egypts were the main game they did this on. I don't recall ever finding a play at max bet where it was locked on that bet level. So not very effective, in my opinion.
    This has been exactly my experience too, never seen a play on a maxed locked bet. I think it is newer and / or clueless hustlers that do this because all it does is kill the action on a bank. Smart Hustlers want a bank to get lots of action to create plays.

    As an aside, the button panel can obviously be unlocked by simply tapping “ unlock panel button “ but ploppies are oblivious and have tunnel vision (which is why they leave behind plays in the first place) so they just move on to a different machine if it is locked on max bet.
    Bingo.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Hey Mickey, here is one thing my group does that almost no other AP group does when solving bonus machines.

    We use option theory due to the high asymmetrical, rare payoffs.

    For example we would use a Markov chain to explain Scarab. I have never heard of a group that uses option pricing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
    EVBandit, that's quite a bit of work for what would be quite a small amount of EV gain versus just basic visual shit for determining if a scarab is a play (swatting a fly with a sledgehammer).

    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    I am not a fan of these games including Buffalo Diamond, but I keep seeing high number of banked games from $0.01, $0.02, $0.05 & $0.10.

    Any feedback would be appreciated on FarmVille.
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    EVBandit, that's quite a bit of work for what would be quite a small amount of EV gain versus just basic visual shit for determining if a scarab is a play (swatting a fly with a sledgehammer).
    1. There are 3 main ways to make money from Scarab. Just about everyone knows the first way, but for the last two because you need to know option math.

    2. My buddies on East Coast were playing high Denominations Scarabs so option math is crucial. This isn’t $15 a spin we’re are talking about.

    Don’t worry, you wouldn’t know what option math was if you ran into it. I’ll give you an example, take that are Ainsworth $10K MH’s Major and $500 Minor. You got a strike price right in front of your face. So what is the cost of the option?

    You have Visual Basic so good luck with that.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond before it became popular. I got a buddy of mine from Vegas to give me the numbers before other AP’s or Hustlers knew about the game.

    We already knew where the machines were located
    https://www.aristocrat-us.com/where-to-play

    If you didn’t play in the first few weeks you missed out on the high information asymmetry. Same with FarmVille.

    I wrote before I don’t play every game, e.g. the Must Hits because I don’t like banging on the buttons for hours. I specialized on certain bonus machines, especially the ones with design exploits. Any monkey can figure the easy Scarab plays but not the hard ones. Same with Wild Pirates, Fortune Rooster, etc.

    There is something about a game that we know that most bonus hustlers miss: take Jurassic Park Trilogy, you get more bonus symbols for the 4th column than the 2nd column but the plays are mostly on the 2nd column. Take Wild Explosion, there’s a 6-cell sweet spot to chase and a simple rule to follow. Take Star Goddess where the perimeters cells expand only to 6 cells. These knowledge of little things reduce our losses and variance. That doesn’t happen on MH’s, Buffalo Diamond, FarmVille, etc.

    We knew about Pop ‘N Play when it first landed in Robinson casino in Nice in Lake County in April 2019. We know plays in small casinos and out of the way casinos with little or no competition. We know where the IGT 5 for 2 VBJ machines are still located, e.g. one machine was at Colusa for 4 short months before an AP burn it out. Cache Creek has single 0 Video Roulette machine to cycle your free play. We know where the 99.5% machines are in Red Hawk. There are still progressive Keno AP’s at an unnamed casino.

    Lots of easy money to be made so no need to waste brain cells on games where our ROIC is poor since everyone knows about it. How are we going to get an meaningful edge when teams are camping out on Buffalo Diamond or FarmVille? Btw, you never see 25 on the lowest level in FarmVille; due to competition, someone will play it at 22.

    So don’t under-estimate option pricing theory for asymmetrical payoffs. And play bonus machines no one knows about because others haven’t figured them out. Unlike you, I got a guy who cracks bonus slots as a hobby so I get lots of leads. He makes his money selling plays to APs; sometimes it’s a poorly designed promo, other times it’s a 99.7% video poker game by mistake, etc.

    So pick your best plays.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond before it became popular. I got a buddy of mine from Vegas to give me the numbers before other AP’s or Hustlers knew about the game.

    We already knew where the machines were located
    https://www.aristocrat-us.com/where-to-play

    If you didn’t play in the first few weeks you missed out on the high information asymmetry. Same with FarmVille.

    I wrote before I don’t play every game, e.g. the Must Hits because I don’t like banging on the buttons for hours. I specialized on certain bonus machines, especially the ones with design exploits. Any monkey can figure the easy Scarab plays but not the hard ones. Same with Wild Pirates, Fortune Rooster, etc.

    There is something about a game that we know that most bonus hustlers miss: take Jurassic Park Trilogy, you get more bonus symbols for the 4th column than the 2nd column but the plays are mostly on the 2nd column. Take Wild Explosion, there’s a 6-cell sweet spot to chase and a simple rule to follow. Take Star Goddess where the perimeters cells expand only to 6 cells. These knowledge of little things reduce our losses and variance. That doesn’t happen on MH’s, Buffalo Diamond, FarmVille, etc.

    We knew about Pop ‘N Play when it first landed in Robinson casino in Nice in Lake County in April 2019. We know plays in small casinos and out of the way casinos with little or no competition. We know where the IGT 5 for 2 VBJ machines are still located, e.g. one machine was at Colusa for 4 short months before an AP burn it out. Cache Creek has single 0 Video Roulette machine to cycle your free play. We know where the 99.5% machines are in Red Hawk. There are still progressive Keno AP’s at an unnamed casino.

    Lots of easy money to be made so no need to waste brain cells on games where our ROIC is poor since everyone knows about it. How are we going to get an meaningful edge when teams are camping out on Buffalo Diamond or FarmVille? Btw, you never see 25 on the lowest level in FarmVille; due to competition, someone will play it at 22.

    So don’t under-estimate option pricing theory for asymmetrical payoffs. And play bonus machines no one knows about because others haven’t figured them out. Unlike you, I got a guy who cracks bonus slots as a hobby so I get lots of leads. He makes his money selling plays to APs; sometimes it’s a poorly designed promo, other times it’s a 99.7% video poker game by mistake, etc.

    So pick your best plays.
    EVBandit, you missed a Nor-Cal casino that has single zero roulette (video). You missed a casino in northern Nevada that has 5 for 2 BJ with 5 for 2 after the split if you get a two-card 21 after the split. You missed listing a machine that is very common in Nor-Cal casinos that is a huge moneymaker. Your assumptions about my familiarity with option pricing math (Binomial model and Black Scholes) are way off. But assume whatever you want - I don't give a fuck.
    BTW with Scarab, if you are talking about the power of 2nd column scarabs (same fucking thing with Wild Pirates), I already figured it out.
    With regard to the Ainsworth, you are referring to the implied volatility and option delta - that is the delta between the current progressive value and the average value of the current value and the max, which you can then plug into an option pricing model (available all over the web - bring your smart phone to the casino). I don't play these, so I don't give a fuck (people camp out until these open up), and so I never bothered to get a smart phone.
    Why you are asking about the minimum Farmville numbers for it to be considered a play when you wrote that they're a waste of time is anyone's guess.
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-23-2020 at 04:49 AM.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond before it became popular. I got a buddy of mine from Vegas to give me the numbers before other AP’s or Hustlers knew about the game.

    We already knew where the machines were located
    https://www.aristocrat-us.com/where-to-play

    If you didn’t play in the first few weeks you missed out on the high information asymmetry. Same with FarmVille.

    I wrote before I don’t play every game, e.g. the Must Hits because I don’t like banging on the buttons for hours. I specialized on certain bonus machines, especially the ones with design exploits. Any monkey can figure the easy Scarab plays but not the hard ones. Same with Wild Pirates, Fortune Rooster, etc.

    There is something about a game that we know that most bonus hustlers miss: take Jurassic Park Trilogy, you get more bonus symbols for the 4th column than the 2nd column but the plays are mostly on the 2nd column. Take Wild Explosion, there’s a 6-cell sweet spot to chase and a simple rule to follow. Take Star Goddess where the perimeters cells expand only to 6 cells. These knowledge of little things reduce our losses and variance. That doesn’t happen on MH’s, Buffalo Diamond, FarmVille, etc.

    We knew about Pop ‘N Play when it first landed in Robinson casino in Nice in Lake County in April 2019. We know plays in small casinos and out of the way casinos with little or no competition. We know where the IGT 5 for 2 VBJ machines are still located, e.g. one machine was at Colusa for 4 short months before an AP burn it out. Cache Creek has single 0 Video Roulette machine to cycle your free play. We know where the 99.5% machines are in Red Hawk. There are still progressive Keno AP’s at an unnamed casino.

    Lots of easy money to be made so no need to waste brain cells on games where our ROIC is poor since everyone knows about it. How are we going to get an meaningful edge when teams are camping out on Buffalo Diamond or FarmVille? Btw, you never see 25 on the lowest level in FarmVille; due to competition, someone will play it at 22.

    So don’t under-estimate option pricing theory for asymmetrical payoffs. And play bonus machines no one knows about because others haven’t figured them out. Unlike you, I got a guy who cracks bonus slots as a hobby so I get lots of leads. He makes his money selling plays to APs; sometimes it’s a poorly designed promo, other times it’s a 99.7% video poker game by mistake, etc.

    So pick your best plays.
    Looks like you got it going on bigtime. So what are you doing on this site with us yahoo's that dont know anything?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #31
    Everywhere I have gone for the past 24 years I've been hearing "Yeah, they played good when they first came out. But then they changed it up. Can't hit shit now." Then I play it and it plays the same as it always did. I never had a problem making money with my way of doing things. When they start that shit its just noise to me.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond before it became popular. I got a buddy of mine from Vegas to give me the numbers before other AP’s or Hustlers knew about the game.

    We already knew where the machines were located
    https://www.aristocrat-us.com/where-to-play

    If you didn’t play in the first few weeks you missed out on the high information asymmetry. Same with FarmVille.

    I wrote before I don’t play every game, e.g. the Must Hits because I don’t like banging on the buttons for hours. I specialized on certain bonus machines, especially the ones with design exploits. Any monkey can figure the easy Scarab plays but not the hard ones. Same with Wild Pirates, Fortune Rooster, etc.

    There is something about a game that we know that most bonus hustlers miss: take Jurassic Park Trilogy, you get more bonus symbols for the 4th column than the 2nd column but the plays are mostly on the 2nd column. Take Wild Explosion, there’s a 6-cell sweet spot to chase and a simple rule to follow. Take Star Goddess where the perimeters cells expand only to 6 cells. These knowledge of little things reduce our losses and variance. That doesn’t happen on MH’s, Buffalo Diamond, FarmVille, etc.

    We knew about Pop ‘N Play when it first landed in Robinson casino in Nice in Lake County in April 2019. We know plays in small casinos and out of the way casinos with little or no competition. We know where the IGT 5 for 2 VBJ machines are still located, e.g. one machine was at Colusa for 4 short months before an AP burn it out. Cache Creek has single 0 Video Roulette machine to cycle your free play. We know where the 99.5% machines are in Red Hawk. There are still progressive Keno AP’s at an unnamed casino.

    Lots of easy money to be made so no need to waste brain cells on games where our ROIC is poor since everyone knows about it. How are we going to get an meaningful edge when teams are camping out on Buffalo Diamond or FarmVille? Btw, you never see 25 on the lowest level in FarmVille; due to competition, someone will play it at 22.

    So don’t under-estimate option pricing theory for asymmetrical payoffs. And play bonus machines no one knows about because others haven’t figured them out. Unlike you, I got a guy who cracks bonus slots as a hobby so I get lots of leads. He makes his money selling plays to APs; sometimes it’s a poorly designed promo, other times it’s a 99.7% video poker game by mistake, etc.

    So pick your best plays.
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond the first day they hit the casinos. A game don't have to get popular for AP's to know about it. Are you banging on any hex 3's?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Anyway, I'm sure your stats friend along with your team of quants can help you determine when Farmville is a play, so there is no need to ask here about when it is a play. Markov chains, Backpropagation Neural Networks, Black Scholes Options Models, Deep Learning Neural Networks, Simulated Bifurcation Algorithms, Genetic Algorithms. Your team can just run Farmville on its supercomputers - you'll have the numbers pegged exactly in no time !
    I knew about Buffalo Diamond before it became popular. I got a buddy of mine from Vegas to give me the numbers before other AP’s or Hustlers knew about the game.

    We already knew where the machines were located
    https://www.aristocrat-us.com/where-to-play

    If you didn’t play in the first few weeks you missed out on the high information asymmetry. Same with FarmVille.

    I wrote before I don’t play every game, e.g. the Must Hits because I don’t like banging on the buttons for hours. I specialized on certain bonus machines, especially the ones with design exploits. Any monkey can figure the easy Scarab plays but not the hard ones. Same with Wild Pirates, Fortune Rooster, etc.

    There is something about a game that we know that most bonus hustlers miss: take Jurassic Park Trilogy, you get more bonus symbols for the 4th column than the 2nd column but the plays are mostly on the 2nd column. Take Wild Explosion, there’s a 6-cell sweet spot to chase and a simple rule to follow. Take Star Goddess where the perimeters cells expand only to 6 cells. These knowledge of little things reduce our losses and variance. That doesn’t happen on MH’s, Buffalo Diamond, FarmVille, etc.

    We knew about Pop ‘N Play when it first landed in Robinson casino in Nice in Lake County in April 2019. We know plays in small casinos and out of the way casinos with little or no competition. We know where the IGT 5 for 2 VBJ machines are still located, e.g. one machine was at Colusa for 4 short months before an AP burn it out. Cache Creek has single 0 Video Roulette machine to cycle your free play. We know where the 99.5% machines are in Red Hawk. There are still progressive Keno AP’s at an unnamed casino.

    Lots of easy money to be made so no need to waste brain cells on games where our ROIC is poor since everyone knows about it. How are we going to get an meaningful edge when teams are camping out on Buffalo Diamond or FarmVille? Btw, you never see 25 on the lowest level in FarmVille; due to competition, someone will play it at 22.

    So don’t under-estimate option pricing theory for asymmetrical payoffs. And play bonus machines no one knows about because others haven’t figured them out. Unlike you, I got a guy who cracks bonus slots as a hobby so I get lots of leads. He makes his money selling plays to APs; sometimes it’s a poorly designed promo, other times it’s a 99.7% video poker game by mistake, etc.

    So pick your best plays.
    Yeah, sure, option pricing theory or asymmetrical payoffs, but what about hexagonal tri-linear fibrilation processes?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Yeah, sure, option pricing theory or asymmetrical payoffs, but what about hexagonal tri-linear fibrilation processes?
    He (EVBandit from WOV) is retired, yet here he is fishing for Farmville numbers. Farmville numbers are a waste of time since everyone knows about Farmville, but here he is asking for Farmville numbers (I thought he has an ace in the hole stats guy who cracks this shit for fun and then gives him the numbers). He mentions the propagation affect of getting dealt a royal on the main hand of 100 play vp spreading to the other 99 hands, but fails to mention the same (negating) propagation effect of getting dealt a brick on the main hand and then having the brick spread its shit to the other 99 hands.
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-23-2020 at 10:05 AM.

  15. #35
    I hope all you people who join these sites to learn about AP’ing are reading this thread.

    Oh, wait a minute, false alarm. There’s nothing here but just more AP smoke being blown up everyone’s asses about how successful they are.

    An AP bragging about scouting out new machines and finds one that could bring in $1,500.00 dollars a month. Then announces he don’t have the time for the work involved, but earlier told how he retired years ago.

    What is interesting is the couple of tricks the AP’s use to bait the rest of us gambling assholes into stupidity.

    We might be some stupid gambling idiots but trust me Ex-Ap, we’re not buying any of the bullshit your selling.

    Can you tell us what your personal portfolio is worth? You don’t have to be accurate. Just come within a million or two Benji's.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    EVBandit, you missed a Nor-Cal casino that has single zero roulette (video). You missed a casino in northern Nevada that has 5 for 2 BJ with 5 for 2 after the split if you get a two-card 21 after the split. You missed listing a machine that is very common in Nor-Cal casinos that is a huge moneymaker. Your assumptions about my familiarity with option pricing math (Binomial model and Black Scholes) are way off. But assume whatever you want - I don't give a fuck.
    BTW with Scarab, if you are talking about the power of 2nd column scarabs (same fucking thing with Wild Pirates), I already figured it out.
    With regard to the Ainsworth, you are referring to the implied volatility and option delta - that is the delta between the current progressive value and the average value of the current value and the max, which you can then plug into an option pricing model (available all over the web - bring your smart phone to the casino). I don't play these, so I don't give a fuck (people camp out until these open up), and so I never bothered to get a smart phone.
    Why you are asking about the minimum Farmville numbers for it to be considered a play when you wrote that they're a waste of time is anyone's guess.
    Here is an option: Suppose the temperature in Reno is X degrees on July 16, 2025. I pay you $Y dollars if the temperate is above X and you pay me $Y if less than X.

    Not implying anything. Thanks for proving you are a fraud.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I hope all you people who join these sites to learn about AP’ing are reading this thread.

    Oh, wait a minute, false alarm. There’s nothing here but just more AP smoke being blown up everyone’s asses about how successful they are.

    An AP bragging about scouting out new machines and finds one that could bring in $1,500.00 dollars a month. Then announces he don’t have the time for the work involved, but earlier told how he retired years ago.

    What is interesting is the couple of tricks the AP’s use to bait the rest of us gambling assholes into stupidity.

    We might be some stupid gambling idiots but trust me Ex-Ap, we’re not buying any of the bullshit your selling.

    Can you tell us what your personal portfolio is worth? You don’t have to be accurate. Just come within a million or two Benji's.
    It’s an *EXTRA* $1,500 for him. It’s MARGINAL money for him. I don’t like banging machines. I don’t play Must Hits for that reason. I am not going to run $10K or $20K coin in for those $1,500 mailers. Half of my mailers are wasted any way.

    I retired from card counting, playing carny games, playing bonus machines, sometimes driving 1,000 miles a week. I don’t want to be like Mickey Crimm and have an unexpected heart attack. I’ve been doxxed twice unbeknownst to me.

    I made enough money. I am collect promo money for the over 55+ & 50+ each week. I am happy and content.

    And I am not selling any Bull Shit. You are free to believe anything you want. And yes, I did win a Post of the Month award on bj21.com so that narrows down your possible candidates.

    By the way, I never said I was an AP. You said that not me. I just shared my empirical evidence.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Looks like you got it going on bigtime. So what are you doing on this site with us yahoo's that dont know anything?
    I retired. I said I retired many times.

    Mickey, I lost respect for you in this thread when you asked me about the Nevada Regulations when you didn’t know 14 years a casino could change the settings via servers. Seriously?! 14 years meaning you never kept up with the times.

    I’ll tell you about “Tracker”. He is the guy going around cracking bonus games, not me. I just play them and share my experiences. Tracker had a buddy that licensed an invention with a gaming company but kept rights to online & server-based games. Turns out the gaming company put the invention on a server so he wanted to renegotiate the contract. It got ugly. So that is how I learned casino’s put games on servers.

    If tableplay had read my earlier post in another thread, it said I no longer had access to certain websites so my information is stale. But tableplay likes to play games and cherry pick my information, e.g. take my comments out of context.

    Mickey, you are free to agree with me or disagree with me. I don’t care. But, I know for a fact you never player that 103% video poker game in Montana if you really thought it was 97%.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Yeah, sure, option pricing theory or asymmetrical payoffs, but what about hexagonal tri-linear fibrilation processes?
    I’ll tell you another true story. Memory is a bit hazing so I will say summer of 2018. I wasn’t there at the time but I heard it from multiple sources.

    This scavenger named Patrick likes to play Must Hits. He drives around in a rental car looking for these plays as far south as LA to Lake County, Rolling Hills, etc. Patrick is a guy who travels a lot and goes to Lincoln City, Idaho, Midwest, etc. He really has no bankroll but knows people. He’s really arrogant and tells everyone he is an AP (he clearly doesn’t know what an AP is). I never met Patrick but my buddy’s tells me he rats people out. Everyone I talked to tells me Patrick hates competition so he intimidates them, besides ratting them out. I know what Patrick looks like and he smokes Newports, been known to change clothes in the handicap bathroom stalls, etc.

    The story goes Patrick is at Thunder Valley chasing a $2,500 MH minor with Major at $45K to $50K. As he was chasing the Minor, the Major drops. So Patrick brags to everyone about his $45K+ hit. Ibrahim, the aging baldie scam artist, who was sitting with Patrick at the time got a $500 tip.

    (Btw, Patrick was the same guy driving around hitting IGT’s Texas Tea Pinball’s ... those games in Feather Falls, Black Oak, Table Mountain, etc.)

    Option math works for asymmetrical payoffs. I have not NOT seen optional math on public message boards EXCEPT in Video Poker maybe 15 years ago.

    And I just thought of another story: Then there is the case of Graton Casino with a bank of linked Must Hit’s (WAPs in casino lingo) ... lots of Scavengers jump on when Minor is over $450. There are only so many seats so you have to jump on early. At least once a week (if not more), the Major will drop and some lucky scavenger makes an extra $9K+. I don’t play Mist Hits but this opportunity might change my mind. But I retired.

  20. #40
    You say you’re not an AP, but your screen name Ex-AP then becomes confusing. From your post: “I never said I was an AP. You said that not me. I just shared my empirical evidence.” You then say you retired from card counting, playing carny games, playing bonus machines and made enough money to retire. One could only assume it was done with AP strategies.

    “Alleged” because you’re anonymous with no fact anyone can confirm. I see nothing in your posts that confirms empirical evidence. What makes your claims any different from others? Is the purpose of this thread to impress other anonymous people that read it? Wouldn’t it be better just to keep quiet. Most people can’t take anymore smoke blowing.

    For all we know, you’re a casino shill trying to promote people to make the AP effort.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 2 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 2 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Golden Egypt machines
    By mickeycrimm in forum Las Vegas
    Replies: 136
    Last Post: 10-01-2019, 09:15 AM
  2. Automatic shuffle machines
    By Alan Mendelson in forum Las Vegas
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-06-2018, 06:36 PM
  3. lack of topics, too few members
    By Alan Mendelson in forum Las Vegas
    Replies: 108
    Last Post: 01-15-2017, 12:09 PM
  4. Teenagers: a lack of regard for money
    By Alan Mendelson in forum Whatever's On Your Mind
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 01-16-2015, 10:52 AM
  5. Changes to ATM machines
    By Alan Mendelson in forum Las Vegas
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-12-2012, 01:19 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •