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[tableplay]

For the same coin-in, N-play vp is lower variance than 1-play.

FOR THE RECORD, I stated tableplay, the moron IS A FRAUD BECAUSE S/HE isn’t conversant. I stand by that statement. tableplay, learn to read what I wrote. That is partly why you are a fraud.

I don’t why tableplay, the moron would start attacking me over FARMVILLE, but s/he did. I just asked for feedback on the FarmVille game and tableplay got butthurt over my FarmVille post. tableplay started a flamewar.

Here is how dumb (besides math-challenged, logic-challenged, etc) tableplay is:

N-play has covariance and this is a KNOWN FACT. So I will give you the seminal article that explains N-Play variance from the guy who worked out the math way before WoO entered the gambling scene.

“ What is the variance of N-play games?

It turns out the the variance of N-play has a simple linear relationship to the variance and covariance. To compute the variance of an N-play version of a game from the list, just add the base game variance to (N-1) times the covariance. For example, the variance of 9/6 Jacks in the 4-play version is 19.510 + (4-1)x1.966 = 25.408. (Note that variance is always given in units of bets squared.) The percentage column in the table gives the correlation coefficent (=100%*Covariance/Variance), which makes it easy to see that 4-play Jacks has about 30.2% more variance than the standard game per base bet. That is, for all four draws together the variance would be 4x(1.302) = 5.208 base bets squared instead of the 4 base bets squared you would get on four independent plays.”

source: http://jazbo.com/videopoker/nplay.html (the article was written over 20 years ago)

tableplay stated: For the same coin-in, N-play vp is lower variance than 1-play.

Jazbo stated: That is, for all four draws together the variance would be 4x(1.302) = 5.208 base bets squared instead of the 4 base bets squared you would get on four independent plays.

As I have been stating, tableplay is a fraud. tableplay is telling us 5.208 base bets squared < 4 base bets squared based on same coin in, same game or ceteris paribus. It’s so easy to spot the holes in tableplay’s stories.

Ex-Crement, getting the covariance of a specific VP game (for example a game like One-Eyed Jacks poker or a game like 8/5 JOB is something you don't know how to do. If you can't get it from Jazbo's table you (and by that I mean you specifically Ex-Crement) won't be able to get the N-play variance. You attacked me way before the Farmville comment cunt - you were the instigator not me. I guess I will just have to dig it up and post it here. Also you won't take me up in my IQ challenge and won't acknowledge it either. Did I get the Crows question right cunt ? I guess I must of because whenever you can't prove someone wrong it's just crickets. I did make a mistake with the multi-hand versus 1-hand play statement. I meant to write that the for the same coin-in, the risk of ruin for single hand is higher than for multi-hand.
Anyway, you can't calculate the covariance yourself - you rely on Jazbo.

Here is where the smug fuck known as Ex-Crement fired the first shot which pre-dates the Farmville comment:

Dude, do you even know what a 103%+ non-progressive VP game looks like?

[Rob.Singer]

Let's check the first sentence out again: "No sense in me responding to your hate, Rob"....then the insecure, relevance-seeking fairy proceeds to do just that!

I like dumping on you kew. You make it so darn easy

Rob, I know you think you are winning some sort of troll debate. Your NOT. All you are doing is continuing to make an ass of yourself.

I tried to show you that when I made those polls. I am not going to bother to post them again. They served their purpose. No one and I mean NO ONE believes anything you say. You have ZERO credibility. Unfortunately you are either too stupid to realize that you are a complete joke in this community or probably more likely, you are in some sort of denial, where you think you are succeeding at whatever it is that you think you are doing...trollfest I guess. It's just pathetic Rob, you are 70 freaking years old.

The best part of you just not being able to do what you say and leave the forum for all those pansy reasons you constantly give, is that it simply took several truthful slights and a few well-placed "burn-your-ass" words to once again work you like a helpless little puppet of mine. And what that does in the eyes of others is give clear insight into how such an easily-controlled, weak-willed dilly could and would never have the ability to play determination/disciplined blackjack for a living...even for the measly amounts you claim for your concocted internet story. The gig, as they say, is up!

waaa....waaa...

I think I'll pile it on
Kew, what makes it so easy to bring you down is knowing unless you get acceptance on forums, you go out of your mind. You're so much fun and are so easy to get riled up, especially since you made (& continue to make) all those missteps when creating your fake forum life. The relevance you crave took a major humiliating hit when you and your bs were rejected for good at WoV. You whine about it like a little bitch all the time, which I have to admit makes me tingle seeing you in agony like that. Maybe when you grow up you'll see why whether people on anonymous forums believe you or not is irrelevant and meaningless....but then again, that tends to apply only to people who have a real life with families. In fact, name what value you have to society, other than having had that disease-riddled weirdo bong you doggie-style. Quite a legacy. When they bury you, I'll be sure to stop by and give your headstone a squirt.

[mcap]

Wow Rob you are truly a disgusting piece of human garbage.

Wow, that escalated quickly with table and ex man.

[Rob.Singer]

Wow Rob you are truly a disgusting piece of human garbage.

Wow, that escalated quickly with table and ex man.

When a nobody such as yourself gets irritated by a truthful set of words, just IMAGINE what they do to the guy who, along with mommy and baby bro, were forced to leave their home because the sugar daddy went to one too many bath houses.

Did I do any better?....or do I belong in the disposal?

[redietz]

Wow Rob you are truly a disgusting piece of human garbage.

Wow, that escalated quickly with table and ex man.

When a nobody such as yourself gets irritated by a truthful set of words, just IMAGINE what they do to the guy who, along with mommy and baby bro, were forced to leave their home because the sugar daddy went to one too many bath houses.

Did I do any better?....or do I belong in the disposal?

Todd Witteles, the forum owner, is as responsible as "Singer" regarding these kinds of posts. Anyone offended by posts such as these should take it up with Todd, preferably in person. Or, since these posts directly reference family members and such, it might be best to bring it up with Todd's significant other. I can't imagine Todd would allow similar posts to be made regarding his family. But we can always test that hypothesis.

One of the problems with these kinds of posts from "Singer," is that he is simply making stuff up. He presents as if he has access to some kind of private information, but in reality he does not. He's just guessing and putting fictional nonsense out there. If he had any actual details or evidence, it would obviously be included. It's not like he's being judicious. But facts or evidence, he never has either.

Now if I had to "guess," I'd say these kinds of posts originate from someone in the poster's immediate family being gay themselves, and the poster cannot handle it. LOL, how's that for "guessing?" Just as some of the poster's rants about other people being bad drivers probably have something to do with the driving skills of his family members.

[Rob.Singer]

I do have the facts red, just as I've had the facts about your solicitation of me. The rest of your moaning to Dan is only out of your feelings for a lying queer gambler, who's only break from the harsh realities of the real world (as well as your own) is to concoct an online fantasy life---complete with a bevy of lies.

Wise up.

[tableplay]

Here is a comparison of 5% 10-Hand Risk of Ruin versus 1-Hand Risk of Ruin for Almost Perfect Deuces Wild (99.567%) with a .167% slot club rebate. This is the rebate which was available before midnight (the slot club rebate was double this from midnight to 6 AM IIRC) at Rail City back in 2015 when Affinity Gaming still owned Rail City (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300400478.html). As you can see in the screenshot below, a bankroll of $3885.13 is required for single hand play at $.50 cents ($.10 x 5 coins x 1 hand) per unit bet for a 5% ROR. For 10-hand APDW play, a bankroll of $3101.21 is required for $.50 cents bet (1 cent x 5 coins x 10 hands - rail city allowed up to 50 hands of APDW to be played on their 50-hand play multi-game IGT machine - the only one in the casino) and a 5% ROR. This represents a 20% reduction in bankroll for the 5% ROR betting 50 cents per deal/draw for the 10-hand versus the 1-hand and equal (5%) risk of ruin. Obviously for 50 hands versus one hand (along with making sure 5 coins are bet for each hand) the reduction in bankroll size is even greater (although the reduction is not linear but rather logarithmic) as a percentage. So who the fuck cares if multi-hand has a greater variance than single-hand. It's all about bank roll requirements. Comp points (food at the Ale house or buffet) were awarded along with free play points earned so this was a valuable play before it got torched. The play was torched before Affinity Gaming sold Rail City to Z Capital Partners, but they still had the generous free play and comp points combo until their acquisition.

[accountinquestion]

I do have the facts red, just as I've had the facts about your solicitation of me. The rest of your moaning to Dan is only out of your feelings for a lying queer gambler, who's only break from the harsh realities of the real world (as well as your own) is to concoct an online fantasy life---complete with a bevy of lies.

Wise up.

Stupid fuck, get it straight. You have stronger feelings for KewlJ than anyone else on this forum.

That is a 100% guaranteed lock if there ever was one.

Your obsession is sick AND pathetic.

I wouldn't go call anyone weak anymore after your little pathetic goodbye i'm moving to FL letter you presented to us.

Your best attribute in life is your obvious lack of any shame.

[Half Smoke]

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I can't read KJ's stuff anymore - it's the same stuff over and over and it just gives me a headache



but - I remember from another forum - some wannabee AP had lost everything and was homeless in Vegas



KJ posted and gave the guy detailed instructions about where he could go to get help in Vegas - it was a long and very useful post - several organizations that could help were mentioned and if IIRC he even gave their addresses



I give KJ credit for that.............................................. ....the dude has heart

[Rob.Singer]

I do have the facts red, just as I've had the facts about your solicitation of me. The rest of your moaning to Dan is only out of your feelings for a lying queer gambler, who's only break from the harsh realities of the real world (as well as your own) is to concoct an online fantasy life---complete with a bevy of lies.

Wise up.

Stupid fuck, get it straight. You have stronger feelings for KewlJ than anyone else on this forum.

That is a 100% guaranteed lock if there ever was one.

Your obsession is sick AND pathetic.

I wouldn't go call anyone weak anymore after your little pathetic goodbye i'm moving to FL letter you presented to us.

Your best attribute in life is your obvious lack of any shame.

You never get anything right. It was a trip to Fl. not a move, and we had to return earlier than expected.

The rest of the name-calling is fine. Coming from anonymous cowards, it's always welcome.

You people just never get it. Unknowns can say and claim anything on the internet because they know they'll pique the interest of others like them, who'll then build on their stories like flies on shit....thereby creating fantasy after fantasy. Once in a great while someone real comes along, uses simple common sense to tear them and their nonsense down, while irking the hell out of them, the op, and anyone else who wants to believe their crap. The result is the attacks start coming, which is the best reason for being involved with all the anonymous phonies. When I come on here it's for entertainment and killing time. You people are so foolishly serious about everything when none of it ever means anything. If people have real lives they'd see that.

Wise up.

[kewlJ]

The rest of the name-calling is fine. Coming from anonymous cowards, it's always welcome.

You people just never get it. Unknowns can say and claim anything on the internet because they know they'll pique the interest of others like them, who'll then build on their stories like flies on shit....thereby creating fantasy after fantasy. Once in a great while someone real comes along, uses simple common sense to tear them and their nonsense down, while irking the hell out of them, the op, and anyone else who wants to believe their crap. The result is the attacks start coming, which is the best reason for being involved with all the anonymous phonies. When I come on here it's for entertainment and killing time. You people are so foolishly serious about everything when none of it ever means anything. If people have real lives they'd see that.

This is essentially Rob admitting that his purpose here is to troll. Something pretty obvious and something he has even admitted before.

On any forum, doesn't matter the topic, could be an automobile forum, stamp collecting forum or gambling forum, a person who demonstrated that their only purpose is to troll and be disruptive and generally make the forum a less pleasant experience for everyone else, should not be tolerated. AND specifically when the person announces that this is his intent. AND on most forums such a person is not tolerated. Only here where Dan Druff just doesn't give a damn is it welcome.

I mean what kind of person does this? What kind of person is so miserable with his life that he makes it his mission to make everyone else just as miserable as he is and destroy what could be an enjoyable forum. And a 70 year old man to boot. How pathetic. And clearly shows a complete lack of respect for any forum owner, not that I think much of how Dan runs this forum.

[Rob.Singer]

READ MY LIPS ---the ONLY reason kew is so beside himself over my calling him out for the concocted internet phony he really is, is because HE HAS NO REAL LIFE TO FALL BACK ON after he logs off! THIS IS HIS PATHETIC LIFE and he's well aware of that stinging fact. Evidence? 1) He constantly posts on multiple forums and always has since he created his online forum identity of "bj pro". 2) When the heat gets turned up on his bs-forum life, he quits and returns/quits and returns more times than he wishes he could get a date with a woman. And 3) His monotonous, shameless whining and cry-babying over why the vast majority does not want him to be allowed back onto the WoV forum after unceremoniously being given the axe when he had the foolish impression anyone at all liked him there, exacerbates his weakness, inability to get things done, plain stupidness, and overall unlikability.

Case closed skew

[kewlJ]

Here are the facts Rob. My claim of supporting myself solely from blackjack card counting is fully supported by the mathematics of card counting and gambling. You and others may decide you don't like me for whatever reason but there is no arguing the math. What I claim is not only possible bit supported by the math.

You on the other hand have made claim after claim that not only goes against the mathematics but are all but impossible unless you just happen to be the luckiest fool on the face of the earth. You try to explain these anti-mathematical claims of winning negative EV games with a progression betting system which can't be done except with a very small sample size. NOT what you are claiming of years and decades.

Then for good measure you throw in your magical plays or whatever you call them. I call them non-optimal as if that is going to do anything but make you lose even more. ��

So when every gambling math person points out this problem you go insane and start calling every names and attacking like a 5 year old. It is a form of intimidation in the hopes that others won't challenge you faulty alternative math.

Bottom line: YOU are the phony Rob Singer and every member of every gambling forum knows it. And despite your best efforts THAT is how you will be remembered...as a losing degenerate gambler who made phony claims that go against all the mathematics.

[kewlJ]

Now on top of all that all you are doing is proving what a lowlife you are. A nasty, disgusting, pig of a human being. That too is synonymous with the handle Rob Singer. And that is how you will be remembered. You must be so proud.

[accountinquestion]

Now on top of all that all you are doing is proving what a lowlife you are. A nasty, disgusting, pig of a human being. That too is synonymous with the handle Rob Singer. And that is how you will be remembered. You must be so proud.

I'm for a very laid back approach like the one Dan Druff has but even then I'm pretty sure Dan has his limits and they should be coming into play with Rob.

I almost wonder if that isn't half of what is going on. Rob asked to be banned so whats the worst that'll happen?

You aren't the first one where he is over the top rude. Rob is also the one calls the floor/management when the grand (?) had the positive off the top VP stuff. He's miserable and has no redeeming qualities.

I really wonder what kind of woman would marry him? What could this man's redeeming quality be? Mr and Mrs Miserable. A natural hater second to none.

I don't care that much if you tell elaborate tales on the internet. Rob is the one who really cares. And he REALLY REALLY cares, but he'll jump up and down panting about how worked up you are yet here he is still bringing you up etc.

There was actually a good quality flamewar going between ex-AP and tableplay but Rob had to show up and steal the attention. Monkey in a tutu act again.

[mickeycrimm]

There was actually a good quality flamewar going between ex-AP and tableplay but Rob had to show up and steal the attention. Monkey in a tutu act again.[/QUOTE]

I'm not impressed with ex-AP's act. It appears to me he is somewhat insecure about his AP ability. Theres no need for the name calling bullshit he started with tableplay. That kind of stuff usually goes on between a believer and a non-believer, not people that know how it works.

[redietz]

Now on top of all that all you are doing is proving what a lowlife you are. A nasty, disgusting, pig of a human being. That too is synonymous with the handle Rob Singer. And that is how you will be remembered. You must be so proud.

I'm for a very laid back approach like the one Dan Druff has but even then I'm pretty sure Dan has his limits and they should be coming into play with Rob.

I almost wonder if that isn't half of what is going on. Rob asked to be banned so whats the worst that'll happen?

You aren't the first one where he is over the top rude. Rob is also the one calls the floor/management when the grand (?) had the positive off the top VP stuff. He's miserable and has no redeeming qualities.

I really wonder what kind of woman would marry him? What could this man's redeeming quality be? Mr and Mrs Miserable. A natural hater second to none.

I don't care that much if you tell elaborate tales on the internet. Rob is the one who really cares. And he REALLY REALLY cares, but he'll jump up and down panting about how worked up you are yet here he is still bringing you up etc.

There was actually a good quality flamewar going between ex-AP and tableplay but Rob had to show up and steal the attention. Monkey in a tutu act again.

I was a journalism major (for two years) and have worked at small newspapers, so I am a free speech advocate, but what "Singer" posts and what Witteles allows here is out there.

Imagine, for a moment, that I post here and on other sites that Todd's girlfriend and mother tried to hang themselves on several occasions, and that it was because he had hit the skids playing poker and lost the family resources. Or imagine that I post that the reason Todd put off marrying is because he's actually gay and he's getting drilled in the ass by a transsexual lover the weekends when his girlfriend isn't in town. Basically, these mirror "Singer's" posts. How do you think Todd would handle it if these pop up on every poker site and on this forum? Maybe he'd be all grins and chuckles...maybe not.

[Rob.Singer]

There's several funny angles at work here--and every one of them forced out by me.

First, did kew really say his concocted phony internet forum life is because of the math? Does 2+2 REALLY equal "kew"?

ACCOUNTINGQUESTION is a lunger. AKA, of no perceivable value.

And the redietz rant. The "Todd Doctrine" doesn't compute, for the sole reason that he is a real known person, and I would never say anything like any of that about someone who's not afraid to be known. Compare that to any of the cowards who hide behind anonymous handles, yes like kew. He NEEDS anonymity simply because he spends his life making up things about himself and pretending everyone loves his bs stories as well as the character he presents himself as. Why else do you think he gets so unraveled whenever ANYONE challenges what he says or factually explains why his claims are 100% false?

That said, it's obvious his pretend partner croaked of aids. And rightfully so.

[accountinquestion]

There's several funny angles at work here--and every one of them forced out by me.

First, did kew really say his concocted phony internet forum life is because of the math? Does 2+2 REALLY equal "kew"?

ACCOUNTINGQUESTION is a lunger. AKA, of no perceivable value.

And the redietz rant. The "Todd Doctrine" doesn't compute, for the sole reason that he is a real known person, and I would never say anything like any of that about someone who's not afraid to be known. Compare that to any of the cowards who hide behind anonymous handles, yes like kew. He NEEDS anonymity simply because he spends his life making up things about himself and pretending everyone loves his bs stories as well as the character he presents himself as. Why else do you think he gets so unraveled whenever ANYONE challenges what he says or factually explains why his claims are 100% false?

That said, it's obvious his pretend partner croaked of aids. And rightfully so.

You are a sociopathically creepy stalker at sorts. I have no problem introducing myself to people but why would I ever share anything with a forum that includes people of such low class as yourself? Call it cowardness all you want, but you're put yourself out there as a piece of shit and have nothing to lose. Most of us have nothing to gain by not being anonymous and would only lose.

I'm pretty over the top myself, but I do it for the chuckles and sometimes a bit of anger. I also move on. You don't move on. Creepy creepster.

[accountinquestion]

There was actually a good quality flamewar going between ex-AP and tableplay but Rob had to show up and steal the attention. Monkey in a tutu act again.

I'm not impressed with ex-AP's act. It appears to me he is somewhat insecure about his AP ability. Theres no need for the name calling bullshit he started with tableplay. That kind of stuff usually goes on between a believer and a non-believer, not people that know how it works.[/QUOTE]

I'm not even really keeping track. I'm not a seasoned enough guy to make a call. I'm just a wanna-be. Watching those 2 battle it out on who is the bigger phoney is popcorn worthy to me.

Singer going on and on and on about how Kewl is coming unraveled is the same shit we've heard before a dozen times.