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  1. #1
    I posted this opinion in the WOV thread about gambling forums. (Post #3719) I’m asking Dan to remove that posts content since I moved it here. (except for the first and last paragraph which directly relates to the thread and was removed from this post) I think the opinions for gambling forums deserves a more open debate on its own.

    There is one thing no one wants to talk about or ever mentions. What is the actual purpose of all these different gambling web-sites that exist? Does anyone believe these different righteous owners of these gambling sites are putting up money to run these sites with the hopes of anonymous posters being able to gain any edge on casinos, or how they could earn a free burger and fries? If so, why? You could buy perfect play cards for video poker, BJ, etc. directly in the casino lobby. Other than already dead information no one is going to teach you the best way to use it. They did that with video poker and blackjack and now for the most part those games became nothing more than a typical slot machine game with a slightly slower death. Once in awhile a casino promo comes up where these games are smarter to play, and of course the exceptions like 15 year veterans named KJ. LOL For the most part it's all dead information.


    The actual facts of the matters are these owners are obviously associated with or are gamblers and are taking a chance no different than investing in a penny stock, with the hopes and prays of spiking a winner. The perfect example of this risk is Shank and his sites. You have to give him credit for creating a site (don’t think he actually created the site first) teaching the math about gambling generating a lot of traffic. Yes, he was brought down to his knees after years and begging for money to help run it. (math didn't hold up for him) But his penny stock mining company struck gold just in time before the doors were about to close, thanks to offshore online gaming interests. Not to mention their and Shanks lack of concerns about illegal money transfers to foreign gambling sites from the USA. If you get in trouble for it I'm sure Shank won't answer the phone.


    The difference with his gold strike and other ones like Casinomeister in Europe, is the owner of Casinomeister is in direct collusion with the online casinos where its legal. He is lobbied and influenced no different than politicians for cash, all the while pretending to protect the suckers who play. Plus, he owns the web-site he promotes from. To give him credit he does help players when the casinos are blatantly obvious crooks. But I certainly would feel a little better with a regulator making any tough decisions over issues than a person who is on the casino’s payroll collecting checks from them.


    Now Mike Shank actually sold his site and is now just a shill for foreign offshore gambling interests. They just don’t have influence on him anymore, they own him. The site is being run and controlled like a dictatorship by the people that own it. Mike Shank could care less about anyone that goes to or belongs to the club, (just recently telling his AP's if they don't like it to take a walk) or whatever happens to the sites down the road. He doesn’t own them. He has no choice but to play along. I would guess he would have rather collected his money and made a run for it. But he can’t.


    The other sites like here look and try to create enough traffic and hope to be realized by gambling lobbyist’s for advertisements. All these other owners including Dan can make all the claims they want about their concerns of free speech, their concerns of teaching unknown people how to benefit from casinos, how to play games, etc. But the truth is their waiting for the lobbying contact, and along the way maybe some AP will privately turn them onto a profitable play. The risk of investment is peanuts with no down side if things don't work out.

    If you’re reading these sites hoping to find any active AP play worthwhile, you’re only kidding yourself. If you’re lucky you’ll locate some two-bit play that’s already played out or expired. This fact falls into place for every type and form of gambling.

    Math questions are something else. But once you’ve discussed your math question what’s left?

    I guess my real question is why do you think forum site owners invest or even bother taking on the troubles to run one? I think Dan said when he bought this place from Alan, he wanted a place to post his sports picks. Really Dan? I’d like to challenge anyone’s sports picks with a coin flip and compare results.

  2. #2
    What the fuck does this have to do with Las Vegas?!Why isn’t this in the whatever’s on your mind subforum?

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    What the fuck does this have to do with Las Vegas?!Why isn’t this in the whatever’s on your mind subforum?
    Just following normal protocol. While you're here, why do you visit gambling forums? Are you here just to chit chat with anoyomus strangers? I explained several times how I ended up on these forums and my opinions about them.

  4. #4
    I don't know why you doubt my motives here are pure.

    I have run my Pokerfraudalert forum for 8 years without attempting to monetize it.

    I took this place over from Alan because I didn't want to see it shut down, and he wasn't interested in running it anymore.

    That's it. Really.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    What the fuck does this have to do with Las Vegas?!Why isn’t this in the whatever’s on your mind subforum?
    Just following normal protocol. While you're here, why do you visit gambling forums? Are you here just to chit chat with anoyomus strangers? I explained several times how I ended' up on these forums and my opinions about them.
    I agree with Blackhole to a certain extent. I don't think Dan has any ulterior motive and since the double up thing I do not have any interest anymore except maybe as an outsider. Neely 777 is the only youtube video I watched and that only to formulate a strategy. His mistakes are my learning process. He shows his losing as well as his winning which is absent from forums. All of the vp posted here is argumentative and Alan is the only one I remember who posted an actual vp playing session. To that extent I agree with Rob that any player worth his salt formulates his own method from actual play and not with theories or formulas but with bankroll, loss limits, win goals, and with whatever special play presents itself. if ever, to have a CHANCE to save face.

  6. #6
    Forums like this can be run for $10 a month and the setup isn't super difficult if you know some relatively basic stuff. Linux shells and the likes. From that you get your own community which might draw some fairly clever guys.

    I've thought about running my own private gambling forum. They might already exist. It'd be useful to only allow people who seem to share stuff do just that. I wouldn't mind publicly dissecting a machine, but I don't want it popping up on google or read by 100s of other AP/gambler types. I could see running my own forum for just that purpose. Avoid the trolls who are bitter they can't grasp math and allow people to talk about plays that aren't super-secret but also not public.

    Blackhole is lol. Good description of his brain.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    What the fuck does this have to do with Las Vegas?!Why isn’t this in the whatever’s on your mind subforum?
    Just following normal protocol. While you're here, why do you visit gambling forums? Are you here just to chit chat with anoyomus strangers? I explained several times how I ended up on these forums and my opinions about them.
    I started going on gambling forums years ago to learn from others, ask some questions. I don't consider this to be a gambling forum, just primarily a troll forum, so I don't really try to talk much gambling here. No other explanation for the continued presence of Tasha and Singer, and Midwest Player hanging out here despite there being no blackjack talk than it being mostly a forum intended for trolling.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    I don't really try to talk much gambling here.
    You are the forum old man, yelling at people to get off his lawn.

    Do you participate in another way?

  9. #9
    Funny watching you two phony bozos criticizing others for being members here....when you're just that!

    What you SHOULD be recognizing being the extraordinary gambling experts/clever forum analysts you both profess to be: the fact that your sportsbetting luminary has gone silent after being called out on both WoV and here.

    What's his favorite word....CRICKETS? :

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    I don't really try to talk much gambling here.
    You are the forum old man, yelling at people to get off his lawn.

    Do you participate in another way?
    Not much, like I said this isn’t really a gambling forum. Mostly I’m just flabbergasted that people post everything in here and refuse to use the appropriate sub forum for a new thread.

    Also Rob, take it easy on ditz, he’s probably just waiting to see something from Don Lemon he can mimic to tell him how to respond.

  11. #11
    Quote - Blackhole:


    "If you’re reading these sites hoping to find any active AP play worthwhile, you’re only kidding yourself. If you’re lucky you’ll locate some two-bit play that’s already played out or expired."




    I'm not so sure that's true - I'm not a machine pro but I've seen quite a bit of explanation of how it works from Mission on WOV and also in other threads and I believe if someone really made the effort they could learn how to do it, they in fact could make money from machines. again, I'm no expert on this and it would be interesting to hear other opinions - but that is what I would surmise - there is a lot of useful info there

    as far as BJ which I know much more about - if a person went to BJTF and focused on mainly the learning tools and scoped out the words of the true experts there - there is a member of the BJ HOF there that will answer any questions -and the owner of the site is definitely an expert who has created some fantastic software to assist a newbie -they could definitely with no doubt learn how to gain an edge. - the great difficulty of it is much more in how to handle casino efforts to destroy or reduce an AP's opportunities

    the difficulty with the site is wading through all the crap to get to the few nuggets of wisdom - like going into a discount clothing store and having to wade through tons of crap to find one nice shirt that's 80% less than the same shirt at Macy's

    so I can't agree that a wannabee AP will find these sites useless - again he will have no doubt a tremendous problem in having to wade thru all the crap that is there


    it would be interesting to hear the comments of others
    please don't feed the trolls

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Mostly I’m just flabbergasted that people post everything in here and refuse to use the appropriate sub forum for a new thread.
    You must have been too strongly chastised for toilet-training accidents as a toddler.

  13. #13
    I originally started posting here because I'm always looking for MLIFE or CET perks or angles. I used to spend 90-100 days in LV (for more than two decades), so all dining discounts and angles on free rooms were appreciated. Alan, followed by Dan, seemed to know their stuff in that regard. That's why I subscribed to the LVAdvisor also, going back to pre-internet days. Then I became fascinated by the parallel between the Alan/Rob relationship and the SRI/Uri Geller relationship. In each case, the second part of the duo was flim flamming the first, and I was surprised the first parts were fooled. Arci seemed to handle Rob fine, so need for me, who knew much less than arci regarding video poker, to say much of anything.

    I went 2500 posts without mentioning what I do. But then "Singer" started talking about sports betting, and he clearly didn't know what he was talking about, so I felt it necessary to pull rank on him.

    Since then, I have learned a lot about things I wasn't at all familiar with -- from mickey and monet and kewlJ, basically. Now should these guys have spilled what they know? If I were in their shoes, I would not, but I can understand as we all get older, no sense taking these ideas and accomplishments to the grave.

    I have to add, when I first looked at forums, I expected a much higher degree of expertise. I expected everyone to be like monet or mickey or Schlesinger or "Anthony Curtis." I was stunned how math deficient people were in general, and how logic deficient.

    Sports betting is going to dwarf all these other categories of gambling in a few years, just swallow it all up and dwarf it, and I am shocked at the complete lack of not only expertise, which is difficult to acquire, but at the silly myths and the lack of knowledge of the history of it. People know blackjack betting history, and video poker history, but they know almost nothing about sports betting history. The lack of savvy really comes across over at WoV, where even the more sophisticated people really have no handle on anything sports related.

    For example, the only poster here or at WoV who knew anything about the "Tipsters or Gypsters?" annual publication was Kim Lee, who is a professional blackjack player. He has the collection. Now if you go to Gamblers' Book Club, they will know what you're talking about. It was published from the 70's through the mid-90's, all pre-internet. An annual summary of plays listing anywhere from 30 to 150 handicappers, including summaries of character thumbs-up or down and business history, and multi-year rankings on the back pages. I was in it for about 10 years, until it folded publication. If you don't know what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was, well, you're missing a real long-term summary of most high-profile handicapping names.
    Last edited by redietz; 01-22-2020 at 04:04 PM.

  14. #14
    Happy that you mentioned how knowledgeable those at GBC are. They're my book publisher.

    The rest of your nonsense is just you desperately still trying to sell yourself. What happened--the PM's from different forums wanting in on your scam, stopped? Might be better to contact all those scientists & academics you're so tight with.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I don't know why you doubt my motives here are pure.

    I have run my Pokerfraudalert forum for 8 years without attempting to monetize it.

    I took this place over from Alan because I didn't want to see it shut down, and he wasn't interested in running it anymore.

    That's it. Really.
    I guess that’s how it is when you’re a righteous, generous, philanthropist.
    Last edited by blackhole; 01-22-2020 at 06:03 PM.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Forums like this can be run for $10 a month and the setup isn't super difficult if you know some relatively basic stuff. Linux shells and the likes. From that you get your own community which might draw some fairly clever guys.

    I've thought about running my own private gambling forum. They might already exist. It'd be useful to only allow people who seem to share stuff do just that. I wouldn't mind publicly dissecting a machine, but I don't want it popping up on google or read by 100s of other AP/gambler types. I could see running my own forum for just that purpose. Avoid the trolls who are bitter they can't grasp math and allow people to talk about plays that aren't super-secret but also not public.

    Blackhole is lol. Good description of his brain.
    You’d be better off donating your money to that faggot democrat Peter Buttigieg. Only problem would be if he’s elected president and then visits Saudi Arabia or some other Muslim country, they’ll throw him off a roof and stone him for good measure for being a queer.

    Your comments fit perfectly with being a left wing liberal, communist, socialist asshole.

    Like I mentioned in another thread I don’t want credit for coming up with the name acuntinquestion which fits you perfectly. It was Keystone.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Happy that you mentioned how knowledgeable those at GBC are. They're my book publisher.

    The rest of your nonsense is just you desperately still trying to sell yourself. What happened--the PM's from different forums wanting in on your scam, stopped? Might be better to contact all those scientists & academics you're so tight with.
    I'm going to be very patient here. Once again, I'll mention a 5K reward for just a single email or PM demonstrating me soliciting anything. I do this whenever "Singer" lies, and still no takers.

    Second, I'm not selling myself. Go ahead and try to hire me. Use beards, socks, offer whatever fee you think I'll take. It won't work. I offer this whenever "Singer" lies, and thus far, nobody has been able to hire me.

    Third, I've been gentle through 5000 posts regarding Rob's books with GBC. I have never said one negative thing about his books. Rob, why don't you share the details of your book contract with GBC with the folks here on the forum. I'm sure they'll be fascinated. How much were you, um, paid?

    That was a trick question, by the way. LOL.

  18. #18
    You continue to say that BS because you know the soliciting was sent via texting.

    If you're not selling yourself then why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness" while always deflecting to unsupportable events up to 40 years ago.

    Again you ducked the issue YOU brought up regarding GBC. You must think or at least hope, as kew always did, that no one's paying attention whenever you're caught in another lie or you change the subject. Next we'll hear about how close a relationship you have in your many visits to Gaming Today.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You continue to say that BS because you know the soliciting was sent via texting.

    If you're not selling yourself then why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness" while always deflecting to unsupportable events up to 40 years ago.

    Again you ducked the issue YOU brought up regarding GBC. You must think or at least hope, as kew always did, that no one's paying attention whenever you're caught in another lie or you change the subject. Next we'll hear about how close a relationship you have in your many visits to Gaming Today.

    I'm going to be very patient with my boy. If anyone has any evidence via PM or email or TEXT that I solicited anything from anyone, a 5K reward is yours. Sorry, I forgot to mention texting. Like Machete, I don't do much texting, unless Jessica Alba is on the other end. So if anyone has any evidence I did any of that, please post it here or contact Todd directly via PM and send it to him ASAP. I'll pay 5K and apologize profusely to Mr. "Singer." In fact, I should start a thread just for this purpose and update it with another request for such evidence monthly.

    Great idea, eh?

    Meanwhile, Rob, why don't you tell us about your GBC book contract? I'm sure the forum would love to know what you were paid. And again, that is a tricky question.

    Finally, the Wise Guys Contest is still ongoing in 2020. So when I say I've been in it for 30 years, I'm not talking about ancient history. In fact, I think the link shows me finishing tied for third in 2017. That would be www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/

    Rob, do you have any more questions? I'm here to help.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness"
    Good question...why?...what is he up to?

    It would be so easy to post evidence of winning plays and overall success, but he's never done that...yet he expects to be recognized as a winner.

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