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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness"
    Good question...why?...what is he up to?

    It would be so easy to post evidence of winning plays and overall success, but he's never done that...yet he expects to be recognized as a winner.
    I refer you to "Tipsters or Gypsters?" and the Wise Guys Contest. I also refer to you my wonderful late cousin, E.R.Dietz, and his plays in the Retro Road Trip thread. It's only a rumor thus far, but I hear that E.R. may be coming back from the dead next month.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I refer you to "Tipsters or Gypsters?" and the Wise Guys Contest. I also refer to you my wonderful late cousin, E.R.Dietz...I hear that E.R. may be coming back from the dead next month.
    I haven't been able to find any online information pertaining to "Tipsters or Gypsters?", and you have steadfastly refused to share any information from that source.

    The link you provided earlier for the Wise Guys contest doesn't display any relevant information either.

    You have spent years referring to these dead ends, it would have been better to provide content or links that work from the beginning.

    Regarding your cousin, are you confessing to lying about him?

  3. #23
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    If you want to land a spacecraft on the moon you better have your math together. No pie in the sky voodoo stuff. It wont work for landing on the moon and/or strategic gambling.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #25
    I'm with Blackhole on this one. All the past few years of watching others and playing myself have taught me the machines defy the math.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I'm with Blackhole on this one. All the past few years of watching others and playing myself have taught me the machines defy the math.
    24 years of playing machines by the math and I've done very well. As in no day job necessary. How about you?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I'm with Blackhole on this one. All the past few years of watching others and playing myself have taught me the machines defy the math.
    If math doesn't work, then how the fuck do casinos stay in business ?

  8. #28
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    Blackhole's post got me to thinking about this


    Dan is one of the world's greatest poker players - maybe in the top 200 in the world or maybe in the top 100 - maybe even higher than that - I'm not exactly sure


    and he probably makes a good living but I don't think he's rich - wealthy


    Dan, if I'm mistaken about this and you are wealthy you can correct me and I apologize


    it's like you have to be in the top 25 or maybe even the top 10 to be wealthy


    in basketball if you were in the top 200 in the world you would be in the NBA and making at least, 6 or 700K per year - maybe even more - even if you were warming the bench


    pretty depressing when you think about it
    please don't feed the trolls

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness"
    Good question...why?...what is he up to?

    It would be so easy to post evidence of winning plays and overall success, but he's never done that...yet he expects to be recognized as a winner.
    I refer you to "Tipsters or Gypsters?" and the Wise Guys Contest. I also refer to you my wonderful late cousin, E.R.Dietz, and his plays in the Retro Road Trip thread. It's only a rumor thus far, but I hear that E.R. may be coming back from the dead next month.
    Good to see you (Rob) and Coach back again to give this forum a little balance. And though I for the most don't participate any longer, when I do I do usually align with you on most issues, in fairness the following is an excerpt from a PM that Redietz sent to me on September 3 last year.

    "So we have San Fran at 40-1 (bad number) and 20-1 to win the NFC. We have Michigan State at 18-1 to win the Big 10 and 200-1 to win the whole enchilada. If their defense could play offense and defense, they'd have a chance. Big 10 looks loaded. We also took a flyer on Air Force at 11-1 to win the Mountain West. That'll be dead after the first conference game as they play Boise first. That's all we did thus far."

    This of course proves nothing, but it does at least show that he probably was making this play on San Fran. I have in years past also mentioned that I had confirmed some of his info but I have no idea where in these many threads it can be found now.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    24 years of playing machines by the math and I've done very well. As in no day job necessary. How about you?
    35 years of pissing money away in casinos all over the world and I’ve done very well. As in yes, I had a day job

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I'm with Blackhole on this one. All the past few years of watching others and playing myself have taught me the machines defy the math.
    If math doesn't work, then how the fuck do casinos stay in business ?
    That is correctomundo! Their math is long term and they always come out ahead. Theyl are programmed that way.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    why spend so much effort here and at WoV touting your handicapping "greatness"
    Good question...why?...what is he up to?

    It would be so easy to post evidence of winning plays and overall success, but he's never done that...yet he expects to be recognized as a winner.
    And he never will because he makes minimal money being a donkey for a bunch of handicappers...the ones who said he gave them my phone number from when I posted all my numbers. So when he deflects to "gee Rob, blah blah blah" it's just more of his sleazy deflection. And his other diversion is about my book contract. That's why I said that if any woman was ever stupid enough to marry this slimy guy, suicide had to look more and more attractive as the days took forever to go by.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Good question...why?...what is he up to?

    It would be so easy to post evidence of winning plays and overall success, but he's never done that...yet he expects to be recognized as a winner.
    I refer you to "Tipsters or Gypsters?" and the Wise Guys Contest. I also refer to you my wonderful late cousin, E.R.Dietz, and his plays in the Retro Road Trip thread. It's only a rumor thus far, but I hear that E.R. may be coming back from the dead next month.
    Good to see you (Rob) and Coach back again to give this forum a little balance. And though I for the most don't participate any longer, when I do I do usually align with you on most issues, in fairness the following is an excerpt from a PM that Redietz sent to me on September 3 last year.

    "So we have San Fran at 40-1 (bad number) and 20-1 to win the NFC. We have Michigan State at 18-1 to win the Big 10 and 200-1 to win the whole enchilada. If their defense could play offense and defense, they'd have a chance. Big 10 looks loaded. We also took a flyer on Air Force at 11-1 to win the Mountain West. That'll be dead after the first conference game as they play Boise first. That's all we did thus far."

    This of course proves nothing, but it does at least show that he probably was making this play on San Fran. I have in years past also mentioned that I had confirmed some of his info but I have no idea where in these many threads it can be found now.
    Red claims to be a luminary in the handicapping business. So he says in a note that he picked SF to win the NFC. I did the same thing with a $40k+ winning 5-team NFL parlay bet in Tahoe 5 years or so ago, and I posted the teams and odds right here. My claim is that I'm nothing but an amateur. Yet this "pro" redietz never posts any plays like that or SF to back up all his smack talk. After this long, he needs to do that or continue being laughed at. Even the tolerant liberals on WoV have had enuf of this soliciting BS artist.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I'm with Blackhole on this one. All the past few years of watching others and playing myself have taught me the machines defy the math.
    If math doesn't work, then how the fuck do casinos stay in business ?
    That is correctomundo! Their math is long term and they always come out ahead. Theyl are programmed that way.
    I’m programmed that way too.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    I was working on Wall Street on the Buy Side and read a book on card counting in BJ and rest was history. I met Kim Lee, the guy who did the math on Kill Phil series, on bj21.com and we had lunch a few time. Kim Lee was working for Goldman Sachs at the time. I met a ton of really bright people who had PhD’s who introduced me to a way of approaching the casinos. I got my start in blackjack bankrolling a few players (btw, I had my share of being scammed). I got good at video poker and did a lot of contributions on Skip Hughes’ message board. A question on WizardofVegas got me back to posting online ... btw, that question was answered 20 years ago.

    I’m not an AP but I know AP’s who make high six figures a year. I won’t tell you where I made my money from the casinos, but I retired a few years ago to Roseville, CA and then decided to leave the Northern California bonus hustler scene because it wasn’t safe.

    I am very lucky to have made money from my days on Wall Street, the huge stock market run from 2009 to present, and that I met the right people who were some of the smartest people in certain aspects of beating the casino: team play, hustling promo’s, hustling mailer’s, chasing progressives, etc.

    Randy McKay tweeted a story about his Deuces Wild days and the guy who tipped him off. I know that guy (I mean I know his face) who tipped McKay off ... he is the smartest guy in Cali and makes 6 figures a year. That guy is an AP. That guy goes around picking up thousands a week in free play offer. So AP’s do exist.

    As for me, I’m not an AP. I am so tired of the current bonus slot environment that I look forward to enjoying my weekends away from the smoke and noise of being in casinos. I had my fun and look forward to my next chapter in life, which will involve a lot of volunteer work. I had a nice 20+ year run because I got good at something after meeting the right people. I really lucked out meeting the right people when I started. Btw, I still remembered when I first made money on Piggy Bankin’ and got hooked on bonus slots.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    I was working on Wall Street on the Buy Side and read a book on card counting in BJ and rest was history. I met Kim Lee, the guy who did the math on Kill Phil series, on bj21.com and we had lunch a few time. Kim Lee was working for Goldman Sachs at the time. I met a ton of really bright people who had PhD’s who introduced me to a way of approaching the casinos. I got my start in blackjack bankrolling a few players (btw, I had my share of being scammed). I got good at video poker and did a lot of contributions on Skip Hughes’ message board. A question on WizardofVegas got me back to posting online ... btw, that question was answered 20 years ago.

    I’m not an AP but I know AP’s who make high six figures a year. I won’t tell you where I made my money from the casinos, but I retired a few years ago to Roseville, CA and then decided to leave the Northern California bonus hustler scene because it wasn’t safe.

    I am very lucky to have made money from my days on Wall Street, the huge stock market run from 2009 to present, and that I met the right people who were some of the smartest people in certain aspects of beating the casino: team play, hustling promo’s, hustling mailer’s, chasing progressives, etc.

    Randy McKay tweeted a story about his Deuces Wild days and the guy who tipped him off. I know that guy (I mean I know his face) who tipped McKay off ... he is the smartest guy in Cali and makes 6 figures a year. That guy is an AP. That guy goes around picking up thousands a week in free play offer. So AP’s do exist.

    As for me, I’m not an AP. I am so tired of the current bonus slot environment that I look forward to enjoying my weekends away from the smoke and noise of being in casinos. I had my fun and look forward to my next chapter in life, which will involve a lot of volunteer work. I had a nice 20+ year run because I got good at something after meeting the right people. I really lucked out meeting the right people when I started. Btw, I still remembered when I first made money on Piggy Bankin’ and got hooked on bonus slots.
    Yah you're the man. The greatest thing since sliced bread.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Yah you're the man. The greatest thing since sliced bread.
    I don’t play a lot of high variance sh*t. I thought I made it clear when I posted: I am not a FAN ...

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Yah you're the man. The greatest thing since sliced bread.
    I don’t play a lot of high variance sh*t. I thought I made it clear when I posted: I am not a FAN ...
    What the fuck is going on with the non-sequiturs ? Are you on acid ?

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    For the record, I only went on hiatus for an undetermined amount of time in support others I respect and like. At no time did I say I was leaving The Forum permanently. In my opinion, I don't think it was the right move for people to leave the forum. It seemed to me some ego played a part in people leaving. At some point it no longer seemed to be about protecting Advantage, it seems like it was out of aggravation, "if you don't agree with me then, f*** you."

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    For the record, I only went on hiatus for an undetermined amount of time in support others I respect and like. At no time did I say I was leaving The Forum permanently. In my opinion, I don't think it was the right move for people to leave the forum. It seemed to me some ego played a part in people leaving. At some point it no longer seemed to be about protecting Advantage, it seems like it was out of aggravation, "if you don't agree with me then, f*** you."
    Glad to know that Axel, the top cop monitor and protector of AP discussions on assorted gambling sites was only taking a vacation in support of his fellow alleged online AP monitors.

    Obviously, our new recent member here Ex-AP’s assorted alleged gambling discussions are of no concern to you. This should confirm he’s only here to brag and impress the rest of us stupid gambling assholes with his alleged past history since you have no comment.

    Once again, I’m forced to the conclusion that alleged successful AP’s or alleged clever successful gamblers for others that don’t consider themselves AP’s, are only here to remind the dumb ass gambling fools like myself just how fucking stupid we are.

    As an outside observer it also appears that Shank at WOV (your headquarters) didn't agree with you and your friends you stood up for. He not only said fuck you he said fuck off in so many words to all of you, and don’t let the door smack you in the ass.

    It’s also obvious you’ll return. Do you have any self-dignity left?

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