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  1. #41
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    If you want to land a spacecraft on the moon you better have your math together. No pie in the sky voodoo stuff. It wont work for landing on the moon and/or strategic gambling.[/QUOTE]

    I've always said and believed that a person with the right stuff to consistently beat gambling in the long term would do much better in the business world. It comes down to lifestyle choice. I could have bought my way into some kind of retail business years ago. But compared to my freewheeling lifestyle I figured it would be like buying a ball and chain so never made a move. Now I'm of the age-and after the heart attack-where I don't want to work so hard. I'm finally on the government dole, as in SS. And I still have my bankroll. I've really slowed down on the casino visits but still picking up some change in them. Buying a business at my age is out of the question.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are more members here and all other gambling forums who claim to be successful gamblers one-way or the other. So, what’s the purpose of being a forum member.

    From what I’ve read over the years it is considered taboo to discuss any plays. Fifteen or so alleged AP’s including the famous AP AxelWolf left the WOV because DarkOz revealed a decade old dead play. Let’s see how long that exodus lasts. I’m convinced those AP members there and here just can’t live without constantly blowing smoke up everyone’s asses about how smart they are beating billion-dollar casinos while us idiots keep their stocks rising.

    I love all the claims of people joining these forums to learn AP moves. The only information they could find is how fucking stupid they are, how successful others were and still are AP’ing, or if their presently homeless maybe a better way than searching out deposit bottles or holding a tin cup. I do recall reading how some tin cup holders are doing pretty well.

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    I was working on Wall Street on the Buy Side and read a book on card counting in BJ and rest was history. I met Kim Lee, the guy who did the math on Kill Phil series, on bj21.com and we had lunch a few time. Kim Lee was working for Goldman Sachs at the time. I met a ton of really bright people who had PhD’s who introduced me to a way of approaching the casinos. I got my start in blackjack bankrolling a few players (btw, I had my share of being scammed). I got good at video poker and did a lot of contributions on Skip Hughes’ message board. A question on WizardofVegas got me back to posting online ... btw, that question was answered 20 years ago.

    I’m not an AP but I know AP’s who make high six figures a year. I won’t tell you where I made my money from the casinos, but I retired a few years ago to Roseville, CA and then decided to leave the Northern California bonus hustler scene because it wasn’t safe.

    I am very lucky to have made money from my days on Wall Street, the huge stock market run from 2009 to present, and that I met the right people who were some of the smartest people in certain aspects of beating the casino: team play, hustling promo’s, hustling mailer’s, chasing progressives, etc.

    Randy McKay tweeted a story about his Deuces Wild days and the guy who tipped him off. I know that guy (I mean I know his face) who tipped McKay off ... he is the smartest guy in Cali and makes 6 figures a year. That guy is an AP. That guy goes around picking up thousands a week in free play offer. So AP’s do exist.

    As for me, I’m not an AP. I am so tired of the current bonus slot environment that I look forward to enjoying my weekends away from the smoke and noise of being in casinos. I had my fun and look forward to my next chapter in life, which will involve a lot of volunteer work. I had a nice 20+ year run because I got good at something after meeting the right people. I really lucked out meeting the right people when I started. Btw, I still remembered when I first made money on Piggy Bankin’ and got hooked on bonus slots.
    I know the guy too. Haven't seen him since 2002 but we were good friends. Is he still with that Mississippi chick? Probably not. I also picked it up off Randy that "A." was doing well with the freeplay in northern cali. It's been in the grapevine that freeplay is good there for years.

    PS: For years I avoided places that were saturated with hustlers. Don't like those kind of spots.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-25-2020 at 05:30 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Yah you're the man. The greatest thing since sliced bread.
    I don’t play a lot of high variance sh*t. I thought I made it clear when I posted: I am not a FAN ...
    Whenever anyone says "I can't win at gambling but thank goodness! my wife MORE THAN makes up for my losses" or "I know X number of gamblers or AP's who make six figures a year at it" there's a 100% probability that it's all BS. Nobody knows a thing about how somebody else does in casinos unless they spend every moment by their side. Otherwise, what you get are claims like this.

    You made a bundle because of the stock market? Anybody with a functioning brain and anyone with a 401k has made varying amounts of "bundles" in recent years. Even warehousemen, line assemblers, dispatchers and janitors in any companies with retirement savings plans have made comparative bundles.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 01-25-2020 at 01:09 PM.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You made a bundle because of the stock market? Anybody with a functioning brain and anyone with a 401k has made varying amounts of "bundles" in recent years. Even warehousemen, line assemblers, dispatchers and janitors in any companies with retirement savings plans have made comparative bundles.


    an awful lot of people didn't make money during the market run up - or made much less than they should have - because they tried to time the market and they failed

    a lot of millennials pulled out of the market during 2008 and never got back in - they got scared and missed out -

    a lot that did aggressive trading instead of buying low and selling high ended up buying high and selling low - thought they could time stuff but they couldn't

    studies have shown that the vast majority of mom and pop investors have much worse performance than the indexes - they picked the wrong stuff

    so, IMO those that did do well, although they're not geniuses, they deserve some credit - they hung tough during the big down times and didn't panic - and they didn't buy overpriced stuff that's likely to get creamed much worse than the indexes during a downturn
    Last edited by Half Smoke; 01-25-2020 at 03:25 PM.
    please don't feed the trolls

  6. #46
    Those who have 401k's through their employers couldn't help but do fantastic. That includes a LOT of people.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Obviously, our new recent member here Ex-AP’s assorted alleged gambling discussions are of no concern to you. This should confirm he’s only here to brag and impress the rest of us stupid gambling assholes with his alleged past history since you have no comment.
    Axel and I had a conversation on WofVegas and Axel thanked me for using the term “Scavenger” as opposed to vulture. Axel advised me on WoV that it was Frank Kneeland (guy who ran progressive VP teams and even write a book) was the guy reading a book at Flush Attack.

    Btw, I knew DarkOZ was a d*ckhead and was not surprised that he got a ban on WoV.

    I also love reading how blackhole is so b*ttburt for making dumb comments.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Whenever anyone says "I can't win at gambling but thank goodness! my wife MORE THAN makes up for my losses" or "I know X number of gamblers or AP's who make six figures a year at it" there's a 100% probability that it's all BS. Nobody knows a thing about how somebody else does in casinos unless they spend every moment by their side. Otherwise, what you get are claims like this.
    1. You can always tell the bullspit artists like Singer based on very general comments that lack any specificities.

    2. In the AP industry, you know how smart some is based on two things:
    - they are playing the opportunity
    - they can find the opportunity

    I don’t have to be there to know the smartest guy in California, one guy that Mickey Crimm falls “A”, was the likely suspect who burned out the 5 for 2 VBJ at Colusa.

    You need a certain amount of IQ to put together these plays. Anyone can spot the obvious plays; but the high level plays are decidedly non-obvious without the requisite AP IQ. The rest of the AP’s find out after the fact and then perform a postmortem to figure who were the likely candidates (because we like to know our competitors). There are not many high IQ AP players in Northern California. I am one of them but I retired. Tracker is another but he finds games, not burn them out. This guy “A” has a long history of burning out plays. They are a few others.

    And we know after speaking with certain people who were there that it could have been a Las Vegas team or Reno team. We found out through multiple sources that a Las Vegas team burnt out the play in Black Oak in Sept 2018. So we don’t have to be there to see it happen.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Obviously, our new recent member here Ex-AP’s assorted alleged gambling discussions are of no concern to you. This should confirm he’s only here to brag and impress the rest of us stupid gambling assholes with his alleged past history since you have no comment.
    Axel and I had a conversation on WofVegas and Axel thanked me for using the term “Scavenger” as opposed to vulture. Axel advised me on WoV that it was Frank Kneeland (guy who ran progressive VP teams and even write a book) was the guy reading a book at Flush Attack.

    Btw, I knew DarkOZ was a d*ckhead and was not surprised that he got a ban on WoV.

    I also love reading how blackhole is so b*ttburt for making dumb comments.
    The best part about Blackhole is he is too dumb to even grasp when you drop hints to people who don't know stuff. He just whines because no one will spell out anything for him A B C. He feels people owe him that out of some weird sense of entitlement. There are a few others, but he is one of the worst.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Whenever anyone says "I can't win at gambling but thank goodness! my wife MORE THAN makes up for my losses" or "I know X number of gamblers or AP's who make six figures a year at it" there's a 100% probability that it's all BS. Nobody knows a thing about how somebody else does in casinos unless they spend every moment by their side. Otherwise, what you get are claims like this.
    1. You can always tell the bullspit artists like Singer based on very general comments that lack any specificities.

    2. In the AP industry, you know how smart some is based on two things:
    - they are playing the opportunity
    - they can find the opportunity

    I don’t have to be there to know the smartest guy in California, one guy that Mickey Crimm falls “A”, was the likely suspect who burned out the 5 for 2 VBJ at Colusa.

    You need a certain amount of IQ to put together these plays. Anyone can spot the obvious plays; but the high level plays are decidedly non-obvious without the requisite AP IQ. The rest of the AP’s find out after the fact and then perform a postmortem to figure who were the likely candidates (because we like to know our competitors). There are not many high IQ AP players in Northern California. I am one of them but I retired. Tracker is another but he finds games, not burn them out. This guy “A” has a long history of burning out plays. They are a few others.

    And we know after speaking with certain people who were there that it could have been a Las Vegas team or Reno team. We found out through multiple sources that a Las Vegas team burnt out the play in Black Oak in Sept 2018. So we don’t have to be there to see it happen.
    Which team(s) burned out the triple and five play high limit APDW (+EV with card) at Colusa several years back ? I enjoyed getting the DW 5ofK progressives (reset 100 coins) that the bus people would leave, but that was about a decade ago.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Whenever anyone says "I can't win at gambling but thank goodness! my wife MORE THAN makes up for my losses" or "I know X number of gamblers or AP's who make six figures a year at it" there's a 100% probability that it's all BS. Nobody knows a thing about how somebody else does in casinos unless they spend every moment by their side. Otherwise, what you get are claims like this.
    1. You can always tell the bullspit artists like Singer based on very general comments that lack any specificities.

    2. In the AP industry, you know how smart some is based on two things:
    - they are playing the opportunity
    - they can find the opportunity

    I don’t have to be there to know the smartest guy in California, one guy that Mickey Crimm falls “A”, was the likely suspect who burned out the 5 for 2 VBJ at Colusa.

    You need a certain amount of IQ to put together these plays. Anyone can spot the obvious plays; but the high level plays are decidedly non-obvious without the requisite AP IQ. The rest of the AP’s find out after the fact and then perform a postmortem to figure who were the likely candidates (because we like to know our competitors). There are not many high IQ AP players in Northern California. I am one of them but I retired. Tracker is another but he finds games, not burn them out. This guy “A” has a long history of burning out plays. They are a few others.

    And we know after speaking with certain people who were there that it could have been a Las Vegas team or Reno team. We found out through multiple sources that a Las Vegas team burnt out the play in Black Oak in Sept 2018. So we don’t have to be there to see it happen.
    The trick to the 5 for 2 vbj play was knowing how to get the correct strategy.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    This right here may explain your difficulties. This AP shit is not necessarily the way people see to maximizing their money in life. Having a career has a lot of assorted costs. One of those costs is having to deal with people such as yourself. This in itself makes it pretty much something you can't comprehend. Having a career means you have to behave and go by some set of rules. These rules come from exactly where modern society all agrees with itself. You have one life though, and I'd rather do something else. You want to meet successful gamblers? I can take you to a local pokerroom and point out the pros. They come and go, a few stick with it. Some figure $15 an hour isn't worth the swings. Others get tired of making $50+/hour. Outside of maybe 5 guys in town none of these gamblers live a life I'd consider worth ever bragging about. All those guys put in far more hours than me. It isn't about the money though, it is about doing what you want. "get educated". Epic. If I was to brag on my degree, you'd just call me a liar. I don't like to behave. I like to be able to stay up and drink and play cards or do what have you. I work too though, but it is always on my terms. You don't seem to get any of this. You have a strange entitlement expecting people to prove things to you. (yes, some of them may be bs artists like Rob Singer, deal with it.) You also seem to be so simple that you see one's networth as the sole indicator of one's success in life and fail to consider what they had to spend their life on to get those networth figures.


    Your bitterness is some exceptional. Your choice of name is fitting.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    This right here may explain your difficulties. This AP shit is not necessarily the way people see to maximizing their money in life. Having a career has a lot of assorted costs. One of those costs is having to deal with people such as yourself. This in itself makes it pretty much something you can't comprehend. Having a career means you have to behave and go by some set of rules. These rules come from exactly where modern society all agrees with itself. You have one life though, and I'd rather do something else. You want to meet successful gamblers? I can take you to a local pokerroom and point out the pros. They come and go, a few stick with it. Some figure $15 an hour isn't worth the swings. Others get tired of making $50+/hour. Outside of maybe 5 guys in town none of these gamblers live a life I'd consider worth ever bragging about. All those guys put in far more hours than me. It isn't about the money though, it is about doing what you want. "get educated". Epic. If I was to brag on my degree, you'd just call me a liar. I don't like to behave. I like to be able to stay up and drink and play cards or do what have you. I work too though, but it is always on my terms. You don't seem to get any of this. You have a strange entitlement expecting people to prove things to you. (yes, some of them may be bs artists like Rob Singer, deal with it.) You also seem to be so simple that you see one's networth as the sole indicator of one's success in life and fail to consider what they had to spend their life on to get those networth figures.


    Your bitterness is some exceptional. Your choice of name is fitting.
    You and that moron Ex-Ap are so agitated by other people's opinions. All that BH is saying is that most of the self-annointed AP's around here come off as they can do no wrong and see it as the ability to lead unmatched lives because of it. But everyone knows, including you two, that it's far easier to make far more money in the working world. And you'll go around believing anyone who pops on to any gambling forum who says they're an AP, yet if someone claims they made a fortune or did well in the business world while even slightly questioning any AP claims, you guys have a tantrum of "it's all bs". He chooses not to believe AP's on forums. So what. Most people on forums don't believe me. It doesn't change one thing. Get over it.

    Watching ex-ap slobber over all these supposed six figure ap's immediately sticks out like a sore thumb. Sure he can say "these guys know their stuff and can spot a play a mile away...and they TOLD me that they made a bundle hammering the hell out of them". Big whoop--anyone can tell you anything. And even if they're driving high priced cars it means nothing. Being an AP does not guarantee anyone anything. I failed at it for 6 years, Shack failed at the machines and maybe other games, and ANYBODY can fail at it. Of course some don't. But you have no idea who they are.

    Wise up.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 01-26-2020 at 12:56 PM.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Which team(s) burned out the triple and five play high limit APDW (+EV with card) at Colusa several years back ? I enjoyed getting the DW 5ofK progressives (reset 100 coins) that the bus people would leave, but that was about a decade ago.
    1. It was October 2010 when it happen (going off my memory based on conversation with vpfree2 reporter)

    2. Colusa changed it’s coin in to get 1 point to 800 from 650 due to AP.

    3. It was one white guy with fanny bag by his belly. He showed in August to play multiplier promo up to 8X later in the night / early morning. Other smarter AP’s were playing 5 for 2 VBJ (the good type with split ace catch face pats 3:2 except on dealer BJ) at $50 a pop in high limit while this AP was banging away on APDW, which shows you how dumb this AP was.

    4. This AP lucked out when the other AP couldn’t show up. It was a month long promo where it was hard to give away the prizes so the last week was ALL PRIZES MUST GO.

    5. AP shows up with a lady friend called Flowers on that week. I know the AP’s full name but will not post it, e.g. Colusa kept announcing it when he won. This is public information but I am still not going to release the name.

    6. AP stuff drum with ticket but fails to win $47,000 car but gets half the remaining prizes.

    7. AP did not know 101%+ VP in the back room in Colusa next to Bingo Hall.

    It was a case of AP lucking our being at the right place at the right time. If the AP stated he burned out the game; that was MISINFORMATION ... the bad promo structure p*ssed off the player base so there were WHOLESALE changes to everything: promo structure, games, etc

    It WAS NOT A TEAM ... just one guy losing his dumb ass (this guy was LOSING BIG!!) while stuffing the drum without knowing other AP’s could have out-stuff him via $50 a pop VBJ. But, lucked out when other AP’s couldn’t make. One of the smarter AP was based in LA so he couldn’t make it that weekend. Talk about a MAJOR SUCKOUT.

    Did not know the 101%+ VP
    Did not know $50 VBJ with best rules.
    The Colusa staff told the vpfree2 reporter that this AP was stuck for a lot of money ... before the Major SUCKOUT
    AP never burn the game out, but it’s a nice fairy tale.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Which team(s) burned out the triple and five play high limit APDW (+EV with card) at Colusa several years back ? I enjoyed getting the DW 5ofK progressives (reset 100 coins) that the bus people would leave, but that was about a decade ago.
    1. It was October 2010 when it happen (going off my memory based on conversation with vpfree2 reporter)

    2. Colusa changed it’s coin in to get 1 point to 800 from 650 due to AP.

    3. It was one white guy with fanny bag by his belly. He showed in August to play multiplier promo up to 8X later in the night / early morning. Other smarter AP’s were playing 5 for 2 VBJ (the good type with split ace catch face pats 3:2 except on dealer BJ) at $50 a pop in high limit while this AP was banging away on APDW, which shows you how dumb this AP was.

    4. This AP lucked out when the other AP couldn’t show up. It was a month long promo where it was hard to give away the prizes so the last week was ALL PRIZES MUST GO.

    5. AP shows up with a lady friend called Flowers on that week. I know the AP’s full name but will not post it, e.g. Colusa kept announcing it when he won. This is public information but I am still not going to release the name.

    6. AP stuff drum with ticket but fails to win $47,000 car but gets half the remaining prizes.

    7. AP did not know 101%+ VP in the back room in Colusa next to Bingo Hall.

    It was a case of AP lucking our being at the right place at the right time. If the AP stated he burned out the game; that was MISINFORMATION ... the bad promo structure p*ssed off the player base so there were WHOLESALE changes to everything: promo structure, games, etc

    It WAS NOT A TEAM ... just one guy losing his dumb ass (this guy was LOSING BIG!!) while stuffing the drum without knowing other AP’s could have out-stuff him via $50 a pop VBJ. But, lucked out when other AP’s couldn’t make. One of the smarter AP was based in LA so he couldn’t make it that weekend. Talk about a MAJOR SUCKOUT.

    Did not know the 101%+ VP
    Did not know $50 VBJ with best rules.
    The Colusa staff told the vpfree2 reporter that this AP was stuck for a lot of money ... before the Major SUCKOUT
    AP never burn the game out, but it’s a nice fairy tale.
    Thanks. I had no horse in the race, I was just curious since I was told it (APDW) had been torched by a team. Anyhow, the 100 coin reset 5ofK progressive DW got much higher than 101%, but of course it wasn't a constant play like the VBJ. There's no reason to do it [-EV], but for shits and giggles I played 2 nickels until I got a two-10 twenty (in Northern Nevada not Colusa) and split tens with dealer upcard of six just to see if it gave 5 for 2 for a two card BJ after a split twenty, and it does). These linked DW machines were also near the bingo hall IIRC and I think they were Spielo, but I'm not positive because that was a long time ago - the bus people would really drive that progressive up multiple times a day as every so often you'd get a 3 sigma event/cycle on the 5ofaK.
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-26-2020 at 05:33 PM.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Thanks. I had no horse in the race, I was just curious since I was told it (APDW) had been torched by a team.
    Whoever told you (or whoever believed) the story had/has REALLY LOW IQ. The true story was the AP was in the hole for tens of thousands of dollars. Colusa actually made money from his play, e.g. the APDW machines made a ton of money for Colusa. The AP got some money back from points to free play and mailers and his major suckout.

    High IQ people know it’s very hard to burn out a Moody’s N-Play for special reasons; part of the reason is you need to have high IQ in the first place to think about these special reasons.

    The most likely outcome was the AP was dropping buckets of $ hoping to get it back in other forms of value. We call this losing sum certain money for sum uncertain outcomes.

    Put it this way: that AP was a moron. Had Colusa not awarded all the remaining prizes, he would have been stuck for a lot of money.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Thanks. I had no horse in the race, I was just curious since I was told it (APDW) had been torched by a team.
    Whoever told you (or whoever believed) the story had/has REALLY LOW IQ. The true story was the AP was in the hole for tens of thousands of dollars. Colusa actually made money from his play, e.g. the APDW machines made a ton of money for Colusa. The AP got some money back from points to free play and mailers and his major suckout.

    High IQ people know it’s very hard to burn out a Moody’s N-Play for special reasons; part of the reason is you need to have high IQ in the first place to think about these special reasons.

    The most likely outcome was the AP was dropping buckets of $ hoping to get it back in other forms of value. We call this losing sum certain money for sum uncertain outcomes.

    Put it this way: that AP was a moron. Had Colusa not awarded all the remaining prizes, he would have been stuck for a lot of money.
    Really ? The 50-hand APDW at Rail city was completely torched. The combination of free play and food comps was in the thousands of dollars in equivalence. The low variance of the 50 hand APDW made it easy to torch it. Anyway I'd love to set up a prop bet with you to determine who has the higher IQ. We can get a neutral proctor who will keep each of us anonymous from the other and put some money in escrow. We can agree on a choice of IQ test as well (Stanford-Binet test is pretty reliable). What do you say ? It should be easy money for you.

    BTW, what was the reason they removed the multi-hand APDW from Colusa if not for the reason of not being profitable ?
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-26-2020 at 06:10 PM.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    I wish one of these mathematicians who swear by the math being the facts of life, could figure out the odds of a person getting educated and developing a successful career with a solid future when compared to accomplishing the same with just gambling of any kind.
    This right here may explain your difficulties. This AP shit is not necessarily the way people see to maximizing their money in life. Having a career has a lot of assorted costs. One of those costs is having to deal with people such as yourself. This in itself makes it pretty much something you can't comprehend. Having a career means you have to behave and go by some set of rules. These rules come from exactly where modern society all agrees with itself. You have one life though, and I'd rather do something else. You want to meet successful gamblers? I can take you to a local pokerroom and point out the pros. They come and go, a few stick with it. Some figure $15 an hour isn't worth the swings. Others get tired of making $50+/hour. Outside of maybe 5 guys in town none of these gamblers live a life I'd consider worth ever bragging about. All those guys put in far more hours than me. It isn't about the money though, it is about doing what you want. "get educated". Epic. If I was to brag on my degree, you'd just call me a liar. I don't like to behave. I like to be able to stay up and drink and play cards or do what have you. I work too though, but it is always on my terms. You don't seem to get any of this. You have a strange entitlement expecting people to prove things to you. (yes, some of them may be bs artists like Rob Singer, deal with it.) You also seem to be so simple that you see one's networth as the sole indicator of one's success in life and fail to consider what they had to spend their life on to get those networth figures.


    Your bitterness is some exceptional. Your choice of name is fitting.
    You and that moron Ex-Ap are so agitated by other people's opinions. All that BH is saying is that most of the self-annointed AP's around here come off as they can do no wrong and see it as the ability to lead unmatched lives because of it. But everyone knows, including you two, that it's far easier to make far more money in the working world. And you'll go around believing anyone who pops on to any gambling forum who says they're an AP, yet if someone claims they made a fortune or did well in the business world while even slightly questioning any AP claims, you guys have a tantrum of "it's all bs". He chooses not to believe AP's on forums. So what. Most people on forums don't believe me. It doesn't change one thing. Get over it.

    Watching ex-ap slobber over all these supposed six figure ap's immediately sticks out like a sore thumb. Sure he can say "these guys know their stuff and can spot a play a mile away...and they TOLD me that they made a bundle hammering the hell out of them". Big whoop--anyone can tell you anything. And even if they're driving high priced cars it means nothing. Being an AP does not guarantee anyone anything. I failed at it for 6 years, Shack failed at the machines and maybe other games, and ANYBODY can fail at it. Of course some don't. But you have no idea who they are.

    Wise up.
    Rob you actually talk sense except I don't think many people on here care one way or another whether another poster is wealthy or not. Why would we care? You make up all these false issues. I only care about plays old and new. Old ones help you find new ones and finding a new play is just .. well fun. Thats about it. It is you guys who get so tied into proving this and that.

    You guys get so caught up in the fact that people claim they are APs. It is really bizarre. I think I sorta understand what is going on motivation-wise. Maybe I am wising up ?

    You also make more false claims. I don't care if you guys "slightly question APs" but that isn't what is going on. Anyway, keep up the amusing stuff fellas and just remember - Math *IS* Magic.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Really ? The 50-hand APDW at Rail city was completely torched. The combination of free play and food comps was in the thousands of dollars in equivalence. The low variance of the 50 hand APDW made it easy to torch it. Anyway I'd love to set up a prop bet with you to determine who has the higher IQ. We can get a neutral proctor who will keep each of us anonymous from the other and put some money in escrow. We can agree on a choice of IQ test as well (Stanford-Binet test is pretty reliable). What do you say ? It should be easy money for you.

    BTW, what was the reason they removed the multi-hand APDW from Colusa if not for the reason of not being profitable ?
    You can’t fix stupid.

    1. The 50-play game at Rail City wasn’t low variance.

    2. The 50-play game at Rail City didn’t lose money.

    3. I wasn’t at Rail City, but the casino probably lost “value” due to something else. The 50-play was the “conduit” to accessing the “value”.

    Here is how you spot a low IQ person: Suppose there are six birds on branch. A boy comes a long and picks up a stone; he throws the stone and knocks off one of the birds. How many birds are remaining?

    Low IQ people will say 5 birds are remaining.

    It’s the same low IQ tableplay who starts a flamewar over my post about FarmVille. No one else attacked over my post on FarmVille. I get private e-mails from people asking for help and the other people are smart enough to know I won’t help them if they attack me. The good information gets shared privately.

    It’s the same dumbsh*t tableplay who uses “propagation” in 100-play but is too effen STUPID to understand the royal flush cycle can be bifurcated into dealt and non-dealt royals.

    It the same moron called tableplay who can’t use “BJ speak” correctly. Talk about a babbling idiot.

    Here are the facts: I only entertain tableplay’s posts to show everyone else how tableplay is dumber than shyte.

    You can’t fix stupid people like tableplay.

    I know one guy playing 1,200 base hands per hour on 9/6 JoB triple-play in dollars ($15 a spin) playing using basic strategy and lost over $15K in one day. Video poker is high variance and Moody’s patent adds more variance.

    I said it before and I’ll say it again: tableplay is a fraud. There are so many holes with the Colusa story that any seasoned AP could easily spot them.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Ex-AP View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Really ? The 50-hand APDW at Rail city was completely torched. The combination of free play and food comps was in the thousands of dollars in equivalence. The low variance of the 50 hand APDW made it easy to torch it. Anyway I'd love to set up a prop bet with you to determine who has the higher IQ. We can get a neutral proctor who will keep each of us anonymous from the other and put some money in escrow. We can agree on a choice of IQ test as well (Stanford-Binet test is pretty reliable). What do you say ? It should be easy money for you.

    BTW, what was the reason they removed the multi-hand APDW from Colusa if not for the reason of not being profitable ?
    You can’t fix stupid.

    1. The 50-play game at Rail City wasn’t low variance.

    2. The 50-play game at Rail City didn’t lose money.

    3. I wasn’t at Rail City, but the casino probably lost “value” due to something else. The 50-play was the “conduit” to accessing the “value”.

    Here is how you spot a low IQ person: Suppose there are six birds on branch. A boy comes a long and picks up a stone; he throws the stone and knocks off one of the birds. How many birds are remaining?

    Low IQ people will say 5 birds are remaining.

    It’s the same low IQ tableplay who starts a flamewar over my post about FarmVille. No one else attacked over my post on FarmVille. I get private e-mails from people asking for help and the other people are smart enough to know I won’t help them if they attack me. The good information gets shared privately.

    It’s the same dumbsh*t tableplay who uses “propagation” in 100-play but is too effen STUPID to understand the royal flush cycle can be bifurcated into dealt and non-dealt royals.

    It the same moron called tableplay who can’t use “BJ speak” correctly. Talk about a babbling idiot.

    Here are the facts: I only entertain tableplay’s posts to show everyone else how tableplay is dumber than shyte.

    You can’t fix stupid people like tableplay.

    I know one guy playing 1,200 base hands per hour on 9/6 JoB triple-play in dollars ($15 a spin) playing using basic strategy and lost over $15K in one day. Video poker is high variance and Moody’s patent adds more variance.

    I said it before and I’ll say it again: tableplay is a fraud. There are so many holes with the Colusa story that any seasoned AP could easily spot them.
    Yet you won't accept a prop bet for an IQ test. For the same coin-in, N-play vp is lower variance than 1-play. Recently the downtown grand in Vegas pulled their multi-hand full pay first before pulling their single hand full pay because of course it is a more dangerous game for the casino than the 1-play. I don't want your help and I could give a fuck what you think of me - why the fuck are you assuming I want your help ? - you're an idiot and a dick. Rag hands can be bifurcated into deal and draw cycles also. There is no Colusa "story" dumb-fuck. You state that if you don't use Markov chains for Scarab plays you are a fraud. For the infinitesimal gain in EV versus a rules-based decision on determining a play it wouldn't be worth it. It would be like hiring the Mars rover team to work out a plan for you to walk safely over to your next door neighbor's house versus just walking over there - the gain in safety is just noise. Anyway go fuck yourself.

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