Stop implying that AndrewG is Alan Mendelson!

[AxelWolf]

Don't Kill the Messenger.

Rob sent this to me via PM at WOV since it's no longer posting on this Forum. With his permission/ encouragement I'm passing it along here.
Alan Mendelson
"For many months now I have not communicated with Rob Singer because he deceived me. For years he presented himself as a unique video poker player with a system that anyone could follow at any budget level and using that system they would have substantial profits.

But about a year ago, during a breakfast meeting at Red Rock Casino Rob confessed to me that his big winnings didn't come from a system others could also use but from a defect or bug on certain video poker machines that the general public would not be able to access. He confessed that his system and the reports of big wins from his system were just a cover for his manipulation of video poker machines which may have been illegal.

I was duped and misled into reporting on wins that never happened; I was duped and misled to presenting a system using videos that in fact did not produce the results that were claimed.

Rob Singer has also misrepresented to you what went on preceding an extensive video shoot at Caesars Palace. This was our second video shoot and Rob wanted to observe and offer guidance on Bonus Poker. He told you on this forum that he watched me go through $500 after $500 playing double double bonus poker. He told you I was stressed with losing and losing. But in reality I played only a short time with a small start of only $300 and he sat beside me discussing the various hands and offering advice. Quite frankly I'm surprised Rob chose this event to post about on the forum because I also wrote about that session on this forum. It was a short session because then Rob and my son who was the cameraman went up to our room with me for the shoot.

If Rob Singer watched some player feverishly losing thousands of dollars it wasn't me.

Because I now know that Rob Singer misrepresented strategy a being the engine behind his success I have deleted his pages from the index of my website.

When he told me at that breakfast meeting that his winnings really came from manipulating machines I asked him for proof and he said he had no proof. I will let you decide what you want to believe.

Alan Mendelson"

He denies being Andrew. I don't know, and I don't really care.

Hey axel, you mean a PM that Alan sent you at WoV I presume, not me right?

The untrue part about all that is I told him very clearly that I DID in fact use my strategy successfully for those first 4 years thru early 2004--just as I've said here many times. And, he absolutely did feverishly pump constant money thru that Caesars machine and constantly count what remained every time he did--with a terrified look on his face--exactly as I said. Denial of this is all he has.

I've already told you, him, mickey and everyone else that I chose to deceive everyone about continuing to play my play strategy during the 5-1/2 years I played the double up glitch. I disclosed it to Gaming Today right after I told you, since that was my method of reaching players. But Alan felt "deceived"? Only if he was trying to make money off of me somehow, which is entirely possible with him. Other than that, he was no different than anybody else.

A shame he bothered you with his nonsense. Now that I'm finally explaining how I've always known about his sickness with the poker machines and craps tables and the awful financial and personal problems he's had all along--which every forums member but me always openly accused him of having--I guess this is his way of trying to mitigate the truth. His and ANDREW'S.

Alan's created a tough environment for himself.

Correct, he sent me a few messages at wizard of Vegas. It seems like he wanted someone to know his side of the story. He said I could post anything I wanted from the private messages since it was the truth. I told him I wasn't going to be posting bits and pieces, however, if he wanted to write something up, I would pass it along.

I told him there was quite a few coincidences and some fair circumstantial evidence that made me believe he was Andrew, he said that was not the case, and that he only found out about Andrew because someone said something on Twitter(or something like that, I don't exactly remember). As I said before.... I don't care if he's Andrew or not, it doesn't bother me(under certain circumstances I don't think there's anything wrong with having a new identity as long as someone's not using it for nefarious reasons or using it to support their arguments or whatever). As far as the rest of the stuff goes, I think it's good to always hear both sides, and that, I do care about.

I'm all about some banter and razzing, but I don't like when things get too serious or personal between anyone. Sometimes it's easy to get caught up in it and not actually realize just how serious things have gotten. Hope you guys can Work It Out one way or the other.


I wouldn't expect anyone to be a saint, but people don't have to be evil.

[The Boz]

Don't Kill the Messenger.

Rob sent this to me via PM at WOV since it's no longer posting on this Forum. With his permission/ encouragement I'm passing it along here.
Alan Mendelson
"For many months now I have not communicated with Rob Singer because he deceived me. For years he presented himself as a unique video poker player with a system that anyone could follow at any budget level and using that system they would have substantial profits.

But about a year ago, during a breakfast meeting at Red Rock Casino Rob confessed to me that his big winnings didn't come from a system others could also use but from a defect or bug on certain video poker machines that the general public would not be able to access. He confessed that his system and the reports of big wins from his system were just a cover for his manipulation of video poker machines which may have been illegal.

I was duped and misled into reporting on wins that never happened; I was duped and misled to presenting a system using videos that in fact did not produce the results that were claimed.

Rob Singer has also misrepresented to you what went on preceding an extensive video shoot at Caesars Palace. This was our second video shoot and Rob wanted to observe and offer guidance on Bonus Poker. He told you on this forum that he watched me go through $500 after $500 playing double double bonus poker. He told you I was stressed with losing and losing. But in reality I played only a short time with a small start of only $300 and he sat beside me discussing the various hands and offering advice. Quite frankly I'm surprised Rob chose this event to post about on the forum because I also wrote about that session on this forum. It was a short session because then Rob and my son who was the cameraman went up to our room with me for the shoot.

If Rob Singer watched some player feverishly losing thousands of dollars it wasn't me.

Because I now know that Rob Singer misrepresented strategy a being the engine behind his success I have deleted his pages from the index of my website.

When he told me at that breakfast meeting that his winnings really came from manipulating machines I asked him for proof and he said he had no proof. I will let you decide what you want to believe.

Alan Mendelson"

He denies being Andrew. I don't know, and I don't really care.

Hey axel, you mean a PM that Alan sent you at WoV I presume, not me right?

The untrue part about all that is I told him very clearly that I DID in fact use my strategy successfully for those first 4 years thru early 2004--just as I've said here many times. And, he absolutely did feverishly pump constant money thru that Caesars machine and constantly count what remained every time he did--with a terrified look on his face--exactly as I said. Denial of this is all he has.

I've already told you, him, mickey and everyone else that I chose to deceive everyone about continuing to play my play strategy during the 5-1/2 years I played the double up glitch. I disclosed it to Gaming Today right after I told you, since that was my method of reaching players. But Alan felt "deceived"? Only if he was trying to make money off of me somehow, which is entirely possible with him. Other than that, he was no different than anybody else.

A shame he bothered you with his nonsense. Now that I'm finally explaining how I've always known about his sickness with the poker machines and craps tables and the awful financial and personal problems he's had all along--which every forums member but me always openly accused him of having--I guess this is his way of trying to mitigate the truth. His and ANDREW'S.

Alan's created a tough environment for himself.

Correct, he sent me a few messages at wizard of Vegas. It seems like he wanted someone to know his side of the story. He said I could post anything I wanted from the private messages since it was the truth. I told him I wasn't going to be posting bits and pieces, however, if he wanted to write something up, I would pass it along.

I told him there was quite a few coincidences and some fair circumstantial evidence that made me believe he was Andrew, he said that was not the case, and that he only found out about Andrew because someone said something on Twitter(or something like that, I don't exactly remember). As I said before.... I don't care if he's Andrew or not, it doesn't bother me(under certain circumstances I don't think there's anything wrong with having a new identity as long as someone's not using it for nefarious reasons or using it to support their arguments or whatever). As far as the rest of the stuff goes, I think it's good to always hear both sides, and that, I do care about.

As it’s obvious he is lying from the start about Andrew being Alan, it leaves little credibility to the rest of it.

Like most wagers on here, it’s impossible to prove but there isn’t one of us who wouldn’t bet large amounts they are one and the same. He could cone back and say it was his son or girlfriend but we all know that’s BS.

When you know someone is blatantly lying it’s hard to feel any sorrow for them. May he find piece at WoV. At least there isn’t anyone left with the balls to ask about the 18 Yo’s left there.

Perhaps he go on Wizards love fest show and talk about addiction and losing everything through gambling. And the Wiz can ask him what it’s like to be married 5 times while winking at Heather.

[AxelWolf]

Hey axel, you mean a PM that Alan sent you at WoV I presume, not me right?

The untrue part about all that is I told him very clearly that I DID in fact use my strategy successfully for those first 4 years thru early 2004--just as I've said here many times. And, he absolutely did feverishly pump constant money thru that Caesars machine and constantly count what remained every time he did--with a terrified look on his face--exactly as I said. Denial of this is all he has.

I've already told you, him, mickey and everyone else that I chose to deceive everyone about continuing to play my play strategy during the 5-1/2 years I played the double up glitch. I disclosed it to Gaming Today right after I told you, since that was my method of reaching players. But Alan felt "deceived"? Only if he was trying to make money off of me somehow, which is entirely possible with him. Other than that, he was no different than anybody else.

A shame he bothered you with his nonsense. Now that I'm finally explaining how I've always known about his sickness with the poker machines and craps tables and the awful financial and personal problems he's had all along--which every forums member but me always openly accused him of having--I guess this is his way of trying to mitigate the truth. His and ANDREW'S.

Alan's created a tough environment for himself.

Correct, he sent me a few messages at wizard of Vegas. It seems like he wanted someone to know his side of the story. He said I could post anything I wanted from the private messages since it was the truth. I told him I wasn't going to be posting bits and pieces, however, if he wanted to write something up, I would pass it along.

I told him there was quite a few coincidences and some fair circumstantial evidence that made me believe he was Andrew, he said that was not the case, and that he only found out about Andrew because someone said something on Twitter(or something like that, I don't exactly remember). As I said before.... I don't care if he's Andrew or not, it doesn't bother me(under certain circumstances I don't think there's anything wrong with having a new identity as long as someone's not using it for nefarious reasons or using it to support their arguments or whatever). As far as the rest of the stuff goes, I think it's good to always hear both sides, and that, I do care about.

As it’s obvious he is lying from the start about Andrew being Alan, it leaves little credibility to the rest of it.

Like most wagers on here, it’s impossible to prove but there isn’t one of us who wouldn’t bet large amounts they are one and the same. He could cone back and say it was his son or girlfriend but we all know that’s BS.

When you know someone is blatantly lying it’s hard to feel any sorrow for them. May he find piece at WoV. At least there isn’t anyone left with the balls to ask about the 18 Yo’s left there.

Perhaps he go on Wizards love fest show and talk about addiction and losing everything through gambling. And the Wiz can ask him what it’s like to be married 5 times while winking at Heather.

Be aware that I added to my post while you were typing that. That really has no bearing on what you said, but I just wanted you to be aware of it just in case.

I can feel sorrow for people even if they don't deserve that sorrow. That's just me, it takes quite a bit for me to permanently dislike someone.

Strangely enough, my wife is just the opposite of that, it takes very little for her to dislike and even disown someone. You get one chance with her, and one chance only.

[The Boz]

Correct, he sent me a few messages at wizard of Vegas. It seems like he wanted someone to know his side of the story. He said I could post anything I wanted from the private messages since it was the truth. I told him I wasn't going to be posting bits and pieces, however, if he wanted to write something up, I would pass it along.

I told him there was quite a few coincidences and some fair circumstantial evidence that made me believe he was Andrew, he said that was not the case, and that he only found out about Andrew because someone said something on Twitter(or something like that, I don't exactly remember). As I said before.... I don't care if he's Andrew or not, it doesn't bother me(under certain circumstances I don't think there's anything wrong with having a new identity as long as someone's not using it for nefarious reasons or using it to support their arguments or whatever). As far as the rest of the stuff goes, I think it's good to always hear both sides, and that, I do care about.

As it’s obvious he is lying from the start about Andrew being Alan, it leaves little credibility to the rest of it.

Like most wagers on here, it’s impossible to prove but there isn’t one of us who wouldn’t bet large amounts they are one and the same. He could cone back and say it was his son or girlfriend but we all know that’s BS.

When you know someone is blatantly lying it’s hard to feel any sorrow for them. May he find piece at WoV. At least there isn’t anyone left with the balls to ask about the 18 Yo’s left there.

Perhaps he go on Wizards love fest show and talk about addiction and losing everything through gambling. And the Wiz can ask him what it’s like to be married 5 times while winking at Heather.

Be aware that I added to my post while you were typing that. That really has no bearing on what you said, but I just wanted you to be aware of it just in case.

I can feel sorrow for people even if they don't deserve that sorrow. That's just me, it takes quite a bit for me to permanently dislike someone.

Strangely enough, my wife is just the opposite of that, it takes very little for her to dislike and even disown someone. You get one chance with her, and one chance only.

Just another reason why you got a good one! First impressions are usually a great measure.

[Rob.Singer]

That tells me axel's not a bad boy at home.

I wish everyone well regardless of the tough talk. I wish no virus complications for kew. I wish Alan would better control his cravings so he has as peaceful as possible end-of-life someday. And I wish LMR or whatever it is, would disappear.

[kewlJ]

Don't Kill the Messenger.

Rob sent this to me via PM at WOV since it's no longer posting on this Forum. With his permission/ encouragement I'm passing it along here.
Alan Mendelson
"For many months now I have not communicated with Rob Singer because he deceived me. For years he presented himself as a unique video poker player with a system that anyone could follow at any budget level and using that system they would have substantial profits.

But about a year ago, during a breakfast meeting at Red Rock Casino Rob confessed to me that his big winnings didn't come from a system others could also use but from a defect or bug on certain video poker machines that the general public would not be able to access. He confessed that his system and the reports of big wins from his system were just a cover for his manipulation of video poker machines which may have been illegal.

I was duped and misled into reporting on wins that never happened; I was duped and misled to presenting a system using videos that in fact did not produce the results that were claimed.

Rob Singer has also misrepresented to you what went on preceding an extensive video shoot at Caesars Palace. This was our second video shoot and Rob wanted to observe and offer guidance on Bonus Poker. He told you on this forum that he watched me go through $500 after $500 playing double double bonus poker. He told you I was stressed with losing and losing. But in reality I played only a short time with a small start of only $300 and he sat beside me discussing the various hands and offering advice. Quite frankly I'm surprised Rob chose this event to post about on the forum because I also wrote about that session on this forum. It was a short session because then Rob and my son who was the cameraman went up to our room with me for the shoot.

If Rob Singer watched some player feverishly losing thousands of dollars it wasn't me.

Because I now know that Rob Singer misrepresented strategy a being the engine behind his success I have deleted his pages from the index of my website.

When he told me at that breakfast meeting that his winnings really came from manipulating machines I asked him for proof and he said he had no proof. I will let you decide what you want to believe.

Alan Mendelson"

He denies being Andrew. I don't know, and I don't really care.

God dammit!! I can not let this go without comment being that I have been involved in these Singer claims for years.

First to Alan Mendelson (and we all know you are reading): First as Axel did recently, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for some of the things I said to you in the heat of anger over the years, the "Mendelbread comment" at the very top of that list as it will live in infamy because a certain "hater" has grabbed onto that and insists on referencing it regularly. These kind of small people are incapable of moving on.

Alan, I suspect your breakfast with Rob went down pretty close to the way you described. And I suspect that rattled you because you have been the biggest defender of Rob's voodoo progressive VP claims for years. (I am talking the progressive wagering /special plays bullshit claims, not the double up bug...that is a different discussion). Alan you claim to be a journalist, when claiming so benefits you. Personally I think you sold out on what journalism really is about....the truth, a long time ago. But regardless of all your other antics, all your other dishonest and manipulations of many different things, you had an obligation to bring this information learned at your breakfast with Rob forward to this forum. How could you have not done so Alan? I am sure it would have been met with Rob's usual response of attacks against you and maybe that is what you were afraid to put yourself through, but if you were ever a real journalist and believe in what journalism is about, you had an obligation to do so. Shame on you!

Now on to AndrewG. I think I was the first person to recognize that AndrewG was Alan. I brought it to several members attention privately, as well as Dan Druff almost immediately. Dan didn't want to do anything about it because he feels like your intent wasn't malicious, but that you just were hoping for a new start. And I can appreciate that. So I am not going to criticize you for that. But the gig is up. Has long been up. How about for once you do the honorable thing and admit the truth. This could be the first step in rehabilitating your reputation Alan.


Rob Singer: I have no desire to rehash your claims for the millionth time. Your VP strategy claim that you have pushed for 20 years is bullshit. It was always bullshit and you know it. Completely impossible based on mathematical principals. It the last year, since you came out with the double up glitch claim, you have more or less, admitted that your system claims were cover for that, which Alan says you told him privately. That almost makes sense.....almost. And could have added credence to your double up claim. Except you would have had to admit that you were a losing player for years and your ego wouldn't allow you to admit that....which by the way everyone and I mean everyone knows Rob. You aren't fooling anyone. I mean if you need to take this charade to your grave, so be it.

Breifly, the double up bug: There are some things that point to maybe just maybe some of this occurred. But as Alan said in his PM to Axelwolf, people are going to have to decide what they believe for themselves. Based on that you have provided zero evidence, I myself can only go on your 20 year history of fabricating one thing after another. That is what credibility is and that is what you have created for yourself, Rob. I mean I personally still don't believe it because of said credibility issues, but it would be kind of a shame if it turned out to be true or even partially true and people in the AP/gambling community were denied the opportunity to believe you because of the way you have handled your online persona/game. Again, I don't personally believe that, but it would be a real shame if you were denied that credit because you are a dick or have chosen to act like one for 20 years.

And finally the last thing I want to say to you Rob. Over the last couple days, as you have stuck the knife in Alan's back and repeatedly twisted, you continue to claim to be his friend. Rob Singer or whatever your name is, you are no friend of Alan's. A friend wouldn't have said, "well I am busy with family, what could I do". If he was really your friend, and you thought he had a gambling problem as many of us have determined for good reason, you would have stepped in and tried to do something about it. Even at the expense of losing that friendship. But to just say "what could I do'? That is bullshit! You are no friend of Alan's so, stop saying you are/were. That adds insult to injury.

[slingshot]

My memory from the discussions was that Alan fought Rob's thinking at every turn. As I remember, he felt it was ridiculous to start at the lowest denominations and progress upward to a chosen highest level-he wanted to always just play at the highest level for fear he might hit the big hand at a lower level.

[Rob.Singer]

You must have missed where I said I don't now consider Alan and I friends. And NO, he was not a good enuf friend for me to leave my family for months in order to intervene.

The rest of whatever that was you needed to get off your chest, is just you being your forever jealous self again. And in one respect you are no different than your forever nemesis Alan/Andrew: neither of you has any willpower whatsoever. You're both incredibly weak people. You're both helplessly and undeniably addicted to forums so that others may shower praise upon you for your opinions.

If you choose to take those kind of traits with you to your grave instead of misrepresenting your agenda for relevance purposes, it matters not to anyone but you. But I'll be sure to visit.

[The Boz]

Don't Kill the Messenger.

Rob sent this to me via PM at WOV since it's no longer posting on this Forum. With his permission/ encouragement I'm passing it along here.
Alan Mendelson
"For many months now I have not communicated with Rob Singer because he deceived me. For years he presented himself as a unique video poker player with a system that anyone could follow at any budget level and using that system they would have substantial profits.

But about a year ago, during a breakfast meeting at Red Rock Casino Rob confessed to me that his big winnings didn't come from a system others could also use but from a defect or bug on certain video poker machines that the general public would not be able to access. He confessed that his system and the reports of big wins from his system were just a cover for his manipulation of video poker machines which may have been illegal.

I was duped and misled into reporting on wins that never happened; I was duped and misled to presenting a system using videos that in fact did not produce the results that were claimed.

Rob Singer has also misrepresented to you what went on preceding an extensive video shoot at Caesars Palace. This was our second video shoot and Rob wanted to observe and offer guidance on Bonus Poker. He told you on this forum that he watched me go through $500 after $500 playing double double bonus poker. He told you I was stressed with losing and losing. But in reality I played only a short time with a small start of only $300 and he sat beside me discussing the various hands and offering advice. Quite frankly I'm surprised Rob chose this event to post about on the forum because I also wrote about that session on this forum. It was a short session because then Rob and my son who was the cameraman went up to our room with me for the shoot.

If Rob Singer watched some player feverishly losing thousands of dollars it wasn't me.

Because I now know that Rob Singer misrepresented strategy a being the engine behind his success I have deleted his pages from the index of my website.

When he told me at that breakfast meeting that his winnings really came from manipulating machines I asked him for proof and he said he had no proof. I will let you decide what you want to believe.

Alan Mendelson"

He denies being Andrew. I don't know, and I don't really care.

God dammit!! I can not let this go without comment being that I have been involved in these Singer claims for years.

First to Alan Mendelson (and we all know you are reading): First as Axel did recently, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for some of the things I said to you in the heat of anger over the years, the "Mendelbread comment" at the very top of that list as it will live in infamy because a certain "hater" has grabbed onto that and insists on referencing it regularly. These kind of small people are incapable of moving on.

Alan, I suspect your breakfast with Rob went down pretty close to the way you described. And I suspect that rattled you because you have been the biggest defender of Rob's voodoo progressive VP claims for years. (I am talking the progressive wagering /special plays bullshit claims, not the double up bug...that is a different discussion). Alan you claim to be a journalist, when claiming so benefits you. Personally I think you sold out on what journalism really is about....the truth, a long time ago. But regardless of all your other antics, all your other dishonest and manipulations of many different things, you had an obligation to bring this information learned at your breakfast with Rob forward to this forum. How could you have not done so Alan? I am sure it would have been met with Rob's usual response of attacks against you and maybe that is what you were afraid to put yourself through, but if you were ever a real journalist and believe in what journalism is about, you had an obligation to do so. Shame on you!

Now on to AndrewG. I think I was the first person to recognize that AndrewG was Alan. I brought it to several members attention privately, as well as Dan Druff almost immediately. Dan didn't want to do anything about it because he feels like your intent wasn't malicious, but that you just were hoping for a new start. And I can appreciate that. So I am not going to criticize you for that. But the gig is up. Has long been up. How about for once you do the honorable thing and admit the truth. This could be the first step in rehabilitating your reputation Alan.


Rob Singer: I have no desire to rehash your claims for the millionth time. Your VP strategy claim that you have pushed for 20 years is bullshit. It was always bullshit and you know it. Completely impossible based on mathematical principals. It the last year, since you came out with the double up glitch claim, you have more or less, admitted that your system claims were cover for that, which Alan says you told him privately. That almost makes sense.....almost. And could have added credence to your double up claim. Except you would have had to admit that you were a losing player for years and your ego wouldn't allow you to admit that....which by the way everyone and I mean everyone knows Rob. You aren't fooling anyone. I mean if you need to take this charade to your grave, so be it.

Breifly, the double up bug: There are some things that point to maybe just maybe some of this occurred. But as Alan said in his PM to Axelwolf, people are going to have to decide what they believe for themselves. Based on that you have provided zero evidence, I myself can only go on your 20 year history of fabricating one thing after another. That is what credibility is and that is what you have created for yourself, Rob. I mean I personally still don't believe it because of said credibility issues, but it would be kind of a shame if it turned out to be true or even partially true and people in the AP/gambling community were denied the opportunity to believe you because of the way you have handled your online persona/game. Again, I don't personally believe that, but it would be a real shame if you were denied that credit because you are a dick or have chosen to act like one for 20 years.

And finally the last thing I want to say to you Rob. Over the last couple days, as you have stuck the knife in Alan's back and repeatedly twisted, you continue to claim to be his friend. Rob Singer or whatever your name is, you are no friend of Alan's. A friend wouldn't have said, "well I am busy with family, what could I do". If he was really your friend, and you thought he had a gambling problem as many of us have determined for good reason, you would have stepped in and tried to do something about it. Even at the expense of losing that friendship. But to just say "what could I do'? That is bullshit! You are no friend of Alan's so, stop saying you are/were. That adds insult to injury.

Fuck that! You will use any situation to your advantage to try and bash Rob. Anyone can see it. He has said some nasty stuff to you over the years, so I get you are not a fan of his. But there is no insult to injury here.

Did you ever try and help an addict on any kind? Maybe, and if you did it’s mostly a waste of time. I understand rehabs, interventions and tough love. In most cases they don’t help UNTIL the person admits they have a problem. It’s a repetitive process, and takes time and money. It’s hard enough to do it for a family member you love, let alone someone who believe needs a “friend”.

Has anyone ever heard Alan admit he has a problem Gambling? Sure all the signs are there in a pathetically obvious manner from a distance. But what exactly should Rob have done? I have given Rob as much shit as many over the years on his previous claims, but I’m with him here.

No different than drugs, an addict is an addict and most will give up family and friends for their fix. Until they hit Rock Bottom, not much anyone can do. Certainly not a reason to bash Singer here.

[redietz]

Nobody on these boards has the perspective of context, historical detail, and (whether he knows it or not) shared social networks that I have regarding "Rob Singer." "Singer" and I haunted Las Vegas in the 90's on roughly the same gambling and notoriety level. If you sit back and look at the details of his relationships in LV, it's pretty easy to figure things out. What seem to be big mysteries, the "Why didn't he do it this way?" or "Where did the money go?" or "Why is he living in an RV?" or "You mean nobody called him on it while in progress?" questions seem superficially baffling. They are actually what one would expect if you figured things out.

He pulled the classic Uri Geller on Alan Mendelson, which is the way these things always turn out.

It's a shame Mendelson pulled the "Singer" stories from the site, because it was crystal clear, whether "Singer" realized it or not, that "Singer" did not discover the double up bug. There are toes I don't want to step on here, so I'll let it go at that. Some of the older crowd can connect the dots and figure it out. There are reasons "Singer" would have executed this bug and now be broke. And yes, "discover" and "execute" are two different words.

[Rob.Singer]

My memory from the discussions was that Alan fought Rob's thinking at every turn. As I remember, he felt it was ridiculous to start at the lowest denominations and progress upward to a chosen highest level-he wanted to always just play at the highest level for fear he might hit the big hand at a lower level.

At the beginning I kept trying to sit down and teach Alan my strategy so he'd understand what he was reporting about and improve his results. But he was not that kind of gambler. His only goal was ALWAYS & ONLY to get immediate satisfaction as quickly as possible, regardless how intermittent he knew it would be. Any strategy planning just got in the way.

Of course people who play like that are big losers. I also taught that after a win a player should step down in denomination in order to control the temptation that leads to quickly losing your jackpot. But, as you've read about on this forum from him multiple times, he and his son took their jackpot winnings right into the high limit rooms, where most of the time it was a complete loss. This is why he has always had disdain for me and how/why I win. Remember, winners always like it when other people win. Losers HATE people who win.

[The Boz]

Nobody on these boards has the perspective of context, historical detail, and (whether he knows it or not) shared social networks that I have regarding "Rob Singer." "Singer" and I haunted Las Vegas in the 90's on roughly the same gambling and notoriety level. If you sit back and look at the details of his relationships in LV, it's pretty easy to figure things out. What seem to be big mysteries, the "Why didn't he do it this way?" or "Where did the money go?" or "Why is he living in an RV?" or "You mean nobody called him on it while in progress?" questions seem superficially baffling. They are actually what one would expect if you figured things out.

He pulled the classic Uri Geller on Alan Mendelson, which is the way these things always turn out.

It's a shame Mendelson pulled the "Singer" stories from the site, because it was crystal clear, whether "Singer" realized it or not, that "Singer" did not discover the double up bug. There are toes I don't want to step on here, so I'll let it go at that. Some of the older crowd can connect the dots and figure it out. There are reasons "Singer" would have executed this bug and now be broke. And yes, "discover" and "execute" are two different words.

Who is saying Singer is broke? And shouldn’t he be dead by now? Along with most of us according to you.

Any predictions on what’s going to happen in all the states opening up? Your credibility is on the line, you need huge death numbers to be proven right.

Sucks to have to be rooting for deaths. But anything for the political agenda, right?

[Rob.Singer]

Nobody on these boards has the perspective of context, historical detail, and (whether he knows it or not) shared social networks that I have regarding "Rob Singer." "Singer" and I haunted Las Vegas in the 90's on roughly the same gambling and notoriety level. If you sit back and look at the details of his relationships in LV, it's pretty easy to figure things out. What seem to be big mysteries, the "Why didn't he do it this way?" or "Where did the money go?" or "Why is he living in an RV?" or "You mean nobody called him on it while in progress?" questions seem superficially baffling. They are actually what one would expect if you figured things out.

He pulled the classic Uri Geller on Alan Mendelson, which is the way these things always turn out.

It's a shame Mendelson pulled the "Singer" stories from the site, because it was crystal clear, whether "Singer" realized it or not, that "Singer" did not discover the double up bug. There are toes I don't want to step on here, so I'll let it go at that. Some of the older crowd can connect the dots and figure it out. There are reasons "Singer" would have executed this bug and now be broke. And yes, "discover" and "execute" are two different words.

Weird. Just plain weird.

[Rob.Singer]

Nobody on these boards has the perspective of context, historical detail, and (whether he knows it or not) shared social networks that I have regarding "Rob Singer." "Singer" and I haunted Las Vegas in the 90's on roughly the same gambling and notoriety level. If you sit back and look at the details of his relationships in LV, it's pretty easy to figure things out. What seem to be big mysteries, the "Why didn't he do it this way?" or "Where did the money go?" or "Why is he living in an RV?" or "You mean nobody called him on it while in progress?" questions seem superficially baffling. They are actually what one would expect if you figured things out.

He pulled the classic Uri Geller on Alan Mendelson, which is the way these things always turn out.

It's a shame Mendelson pulled the "Singer" stories from the site, because it was crystal clear, whether "Singer" realized it or not, that "Singer" did not discover the double up bug. There are toes I don't want to step on here, so I'll let it go at that. Some of the older crowd can connect the dots and figure it out. There are reasons "Singer" would have executed this bug and now be broke. And yes, "discover" and "execute" are two different words.

Who is saying Singer is broke? And shouldn’t he be dead by now? Along with most of us according to you.

Any predictions on what’s going to happen in all the states opening up? Your credibility is on the line, you need huge death numbers to be proven right.

Sucks to have to be rooting for deaths. But anything for the political agenda, right?

red's a fair weather guy. If I came out rooting against Trump, he'd be my best buddy. Instead of me being broke, I'd be living high on the hog. And if he never solicited me and I never exposed him for doing it, he'd tell me how the evidence that mickey used on my double up play does make sense.

Anyway, he's exposed enuf of himself these last few weeks that would make university professors blush.

[smurgerburger]

Nobody on these boards has the perspective of context, historical detail, and (whether he knows it or not) shared social networks that I have regarding "Rob Singer." "Singer" and I haunted Las Vegas in the 90's on roughly the same gambling and notoriety level. If you sit back and look at the details of his relationships in LV, it's pretty easy to figure things out. What seem to be big mysteries, the "Why didn't he do it this way?" or "Where did the money go?" or "Why is he living in an RV?" or "You mean nobody called him on it while in progress?" questions seem superficially baffling. They are actually what one would expect if you figured things out.

He pulled the classic Uri Geller on Alan Mendelson, which is the way these things always turn out.

It's a shame Mendelson pulled the "Singer" stories from the site, because it was crystal clear, whether "Singer" realized it or not, that "Singer" did not discover the double up bug. There are toes I don't want to step on here, so I'll let it go at that. Some of the older crowd can connect the dots and figure it out. There are reasons "Singer" would have executed this bug and now be broke. And yes, "discover" and "execute" are two different words.

Redietz you seem now to be conceding that Singer likely did exploit the DUP blog. You seem to disagree with how he came to know about it and how much money he profited by it.

But those latter points were not the focus of dispute back when we were all arguing about this some months ago (feels like a lifetime, lol).

I specifically remember you taking the line that we have no proof that Singer's professed method is the true DUP method, therefore we should not believe it.

Whereas I think the more objective of us realized that Singer's reported method was very likely correct. You can think he's a fraud in other respects but the method he posted here was either genuine or a very clever hoax that made a lot more sense than what was described in the WIRED article.

I don't really care and we're all allowed to change our opinions, but I do want you to confirm that you now believe that he was executing the DUP bug. Because a whole lot of his detractors were saying the opposite...

Again, the big controversy was about whether he was using the DUP bug at all. Not his whole surrounding story about how he discovered it and how much $ he made with it. I for one don't care whether he made $10 or $10M.

[kewlJ]

You must have missed where I said I don't now consider Alan and I friends.

No shit you are not friends now. You have spent the last several days decapitating him! And for what? We all know that Alan has some level of gambling addiction that has effected his life very negatively. What does kicking him when he is down do? What does that prove? Friends now or not, if you were ever really friends, a person doesn't do that.

The rest of whatever that was you needed to get off your chest, is just you being your forever jealous self again.

Rob, I am not jealous of you. You think and say that everyone is jealous of you. That is all in your mind. I for one am pretty anti-casino. Anyone and I mean anyone that successfully beats the casino (industry), I am happy for. And I mean anyone, whether through something that allows them to play at an advantage or some dumb luck one-time -EV, gambling type big score.

Now if your double up claim went down, even partially the way you claim, I would have been happy for you. I don't want to get into the legality of such a play, but that doesn't even matter, except that it is something I personally wouldn't have done. But that is not the issue. I have AP friends that engage in techniques that I choose not to, but I am still very happy that they beat the casino. And I would have been for you as well, if you could have ever been honest about anything.

My problem with you has nothing to do with doubleup or kind of jealousy. It is strictly the mathematics and impossibility of your initial claim, concerning your progressive wagering system. Same problem I have had on forums for 5 years now. I will not stand by and let people makes claims that fly in the face of the mathematic possibilities, and especially if said claims are repeated over and over to the point that they could be harmful to other players/members. This is exactly what my feud with Norm Wattenberger was all about and why I am not on his blackjack forum and indirectly why I am not at WoV. Norm wasn't making any impossible claims, but he allowed someone to do so for years, even after it was apparent that it was harming other players.

Rob, your progressive system claims are bullshit! And THAT is my only problem with you. And like I said, it would be a damn shame if your double up bug claim is even partially true and people in the AP/Gambling community can't recognize you for that because for some strange reason you have felt the need to push this other nonsense for decades.

[mcap]

Wow! this thread got pretty juicy even without Midwest Player throwing any bombs. Dietz, Kewlj, Boz, Axelpup and Singer all mixing it up. Where’s Meester Vee and Barney? Kewlj you know the only reason Monet is a hater is because you said Jesus may have had homo tendencies, he got upset about that, you probably should have kept that to yourself.

[kewlJ]

Kewlj you know the only reason Monet is a hater is because you said Jesus may have had homo tendencies, he got upset about that, you probably should have kept that to yourself.

Did I say "homo tendencies"....maybe I did. That probably wasn't the best wording. Jesus loved everyone.

Well if it makes anyone (Monet) feel any better, I am sure Jesus was a "top". That means he wasn't the one being submissive.

[Rob.Singer]

kew, he was never a "good" friend....just a friend. He had a superb career--perfect voice with good looks for the cameras and mikes. But he had a BAD problem. If I were to bring it up it would have been "friendship terminated". I don't look for drama like you, and that's because I've had a full life with a wonderful family. I can look past someone like him like the wind thru the trees, and not worry about a thing.

Again, the rest of your impulse-posting is a result of envy. You just keep trying sooo hard to make it not real, but I can see that little voice in the back of your head keeps bothering you. You'll deny it, but that would be just like Alan does and you couldn't possibly want THAT!

Suggestion: for once in your concocted forum life, do what you said you were gonna do. See if you can't stop me from owning properties inside your head.

[kewlJ]

kew, he was never a "good" friend....just a friend. He had a superb career--perfect voice with good looks for the cameras and mikes. But he had a BAD problem. If I were to bring it up it would have been "friendship terminated". I don't look for drama like you, and that's because I've had a full life with a wonderful family. I can look past someone like him like the wind thru the trees, and not worry about a thing.

Again, the rest of your impulse-posting is a result of envy. You just keep trying sooo hard to make it not real, but I can see that little voice in the back of your head keeps bothering you. You'll deny it, but that would be just like Alan does and you couldn't possibly want THAT!

Suggestion: for once in your concocted forum life, do what you said you were gonna do. See if you can't stop me from owning properties inside your head.

Sad Rob! I was hoping for once we could cut through the BS and just have a reasonable discussion. But I guess that's on me and goes back to the true definition of insanity. I though and hoped there could be a different outcome other than the juvenile name calling and thinking you are scoring points and "winning" because of some sort of jab (true or untrue) at someone. Don't get me wrong, I am not without fault, but is that all this forum can ever be? Knocking others down really doesn't elevate you.