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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Rob Singer is a moron. People should never take him seriously. He is a pathetic pathological liar who is now trying to grab attention as if he somehow figured out some VP play. The guy is too dumb to understand gambling math from my understanding. No one should take him seriously.
    I am going to disagree here. The person posting as Rob Singer is not a moron. He is fairly intelligent and he understands the mathematics of gambling. AND he understands that his claims go against the math. The problem is Rob is a losing degenerate gambler.

    Inspired by Dancer and others, Rob tried to be a video poker advantage player. He tried for 6 years and he failed, by his own admission, losing money every year. This is one of the few things he has been honest about. Now if you understand the math, which Rob does and you are properly bankrolled, which Rob claims to have been, then there is only one thing that stops you from succeeding. The lack of discipline necessary to be a successful AP. It is pretty hard for a life long degenerate gambler type player to all of the sudden stop chasing losses, and over-playing -EV situations and turn 180 degrees and succeed at advantage play. Rob like most degenerate gambler types was unable to make that transition and he failed.

    Now because Rob failed, when he wanted so desperately to succeed like Dancer and others, two things happened. 1.) he convinced himself that all successful APs that do have the discipline necessary to succeed were lying. He became very bitter and hateful to anyone who has had success where he has failed. 2.) the second thing that occurred is that this is when Rob started making up stuff, claims of success based on non-mathematical principals and proven principals that don't work, like progression wagering and "special plays". Concepts that just don't work!

    Rob then spent 15 years pushing this alternative reality garbage trolling real APs on various forums, and even self publishing a couple books. Along the way EVERY legitimate gambling math person has debunked Singer and told him what he is claiming is impossible. His retort to that is name calling and personal attacks.

    After 15 years of this, down to where no one and I mean no one (except Slingshot) believed Rob's claims, he pivoted and stole the well known Nestor claim (double up bug) for his own, claiming he found the double up bug, played it for 5 years prior to Nestor and made millions. That created a little relevance as there was much discussion for a few months, but in the end, as my poll showed, almost no one believed that preposterous claim either.

    And now Rob has pivoted yet again, and is claiming to be pursuing some sort of play. He is going to tell you yet again, how he has come up with something that no one else has been able to find. I for one can't wait to hear the details of this latest fantasy.

    But really, the whole thing, Rob's 15 year existence on these forums, all the trolling, all the hate, name calling and bitterness, all the impossible claims is about one thing: Rob didn't have the discipline to succeed as an advantage player.
    Gee, the guy you're describing seems almost like a genius! Imagine....reeling a little fairy into a thread basically any time I choose to

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Thank you for the information that it takes $109 of coin in at the better video poker games at Boyd just to earn one tier credit. This means I need $109 of coin in to get a free breakfast or lunch buffet on certain promotion days. The buffet has a price of about $8-11 and now I see it's not worth it.

    Another problem with Boyd is that I found table game action is not added to your account sometimes for days, weeks or even months.

    I am not exaggerating when I say months.

    I have been told that it is not uncommon for a table game player to have the lowest level card for months then suddenly get a notification that they're now Onyx which is the second highest level after Titanium.
    Overall, Boyd and others no longer give much to table player. High stakes play maybe, if they have determined you are a losing player.

    Alan (Andrew), I assume your comments are based on craps of which you play, which is a -EV game. For blackjack it works a little differently. Boyd and every other casino assigns a skill "classification". I forget the exact terms told to me by a pit friend, but it is usually 3 or 4 different classifications based on skill, ranging from bad or losing player to advantage player.

    And based on that classification, players playing the exact same betting levels and time will earn very different ratings and comps. VERY different. And for players determined to be advantage players, reduced or no comps are often the first counter-measure they see. Often they don't even realize why.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Thank you for the information that it takes $109 of coin in at the better video poker games at Boyd just to earn one tier credit. This means I need $109 of coin in to get a free breakfast or lunch buffet on certain promotion days. The buffet has a price of about $8-11 and now I see it's not worth it.

    Another problem with Boyd is that I found table game action is not added to your account sometimes for days, weeks or even months.

    I am not exaggerating when I say months.

    I have been told that it is not uncommon for a table game player to have the lowest level card for months then suddenly get a notification that they're now Onyx which is the second highest level after Titanium.
    Overall, Boyd and others no longer give much to table player. High stakes play maybe, if they have determined you are a losing player.
    You seem to know a lot about losing players....

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post

    FAB is my favorite poster on the board I post on, and he probably does actually know everything that I'll talk about. I'll try to up my game FAB.
    .
    Wasilla, thanks for the kind words but I also have a lot to learn. My interest in downtown was largely driven by your own trip reports including the detailed contemporaneous notes you keep in that notebook. I certainly learned a lot from you about where to score good microbrew beers. I don't gamble to make money, but just to get a subsidized or free vacation doing something I like while taking a break from my sometimes demanding job. I just keep my eyes and ears open which is one of the reasons I have been gravitating my action away from Boyd casinos and to QQQQ and Binions.

    BTW Wasilla, I sent you a PM on the other message board.

    Regards, FAB

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Gee, the guy you're describing seems almost like a genius! Imagine....reeling a little fairy into a thread basically any time I choose to
    Good Lord...Rob called me a "fairy". I am so crushed! How on earth will I be able to go on in life. I have only heard such name calling by small minded, bully type people my whole life.

    And lets really look at who got reeled in. Rob responded exactly as we knew he would....exactly as I just said he would, with name calling.

    That's Rob's m.o. he tries to bully people with abusive personal attacks in the hope that they will go away. It may have worked with arci and others, but NOT me. I'll be here exposing you for the fraud you are until you either stop misleading players or leave this planet.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-21-2020 at 12:10 PM.

  6. #46
    FAB: forgive me if I'm saying something you already know, but hitting the MSS quarter multiline on a point multiplier day makes for a basically even game if you get your scratch cards. It will get you those 250 TC's a lot faster. In your place, I might even consider the 5c 10 line DDB Dream Card. It's a lot of fun and TC's rain down. I'd suggest playing on off peak hours because it garners so many scratch cards. I think that Tring calculated about a quad every 100 hands. I hit 46 quads and a SF in about 1 1/2 hours.

    R.S.: I think that your references to "the Boyd collection of dumps" and that "no true AP would bother wasting time with Boyd" were interpreted as saying something about Boyd overall. Many of us read both threads. The contrast to what you posted in mickey's thread and what you've posted in this one is stark.

    AndrewG: If you are just playing for the buffet, you may well lose more than it is worth. I think that 8/5 BP is more like $70 per TC. I wish that someone on this board liked posting mathematical calculations so that no one had to rely on my memory or guestimates. A TC is just $5 coin in on slots. I have also heard about a number of people who were gifted TR's and higher tiers. It aint me babe, but best of luck to the rest of you.

    KJ: I'm glad your posting. I tried counting cards back when it was much easier. I was horrible at it. After reading about all the bannings and hassles from the heyday, I'm pretty impressed at how long you've managed to do this.

    accountinquestion: You aren't the first person to make a case for giving up some EV to get some really good comps. Dan kept a pretty good thread on how to hit 7 stars cost effectively. By the time I figured that it would be a good deal for me to hit Tahoe, CET devalued the program. Rooms EVERY week with some double dip weeks?! Wow! Nicely done.

    redietz: Thank you for the history lesson. I've gathered that there are successful sports betters out there, but I don't understand how such a thing is accomplished. Sounds like you lived through a golden age, but learn to adopt to changes.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Gee, the guy you're describing seems almost like a genius! Imagine....reeling a little fairy into a thread basically any time I choose to
    Good Lord...Rob called me a "fairy". I am so crushed! How on earth will one able to go on in life. I have only heard such name calling by small minded, bully type people my whole life.

    And lets really look at who got reeled in. Rob responded exactly as we knew he would....exactly as I just said he would, with name calling.

    That's Rob's m.o. he tries to bully people with abusive personal attracts in the hope that they will go away. It may have worked with arci and others, but NOT me. I'll be here exposing you for the fraud you are until you either stop misleading players or leave this planet.
    The only reality I see there other than how I keep getting you to repeat yourself, is the intent surrounding "leave this planet". You see kew, we all know I'm twice the age you've created your internet character to be. Yet you also included therein a person with heart problems/operations and infected blood. And just why would that be? You....because that sugar daddy you also include croaked of aids!....while at the same time it forced you, mommy and baby bro to have to leave HIS house and continue your internet charade from elsewhere.

    I should have started a new thread on this because someday, I'll be able to spit on your grave Having those loose screws of yours upstairs make this prediction simple.

    Oh...BTW...this is FUN!

  8. #48
    Not one thing just said is true. Not one! Just Rob doing is abusive hate / trolling. That is all he can do. A 70 year old man. How pathetic!

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    FAB: forgive me if I'm saying something you already know, but hitting the MSS quarter multiline on a point multiplier day makes for a basically even game if you get your scratch cards. It will get you those 250 TC's a lot faster. In your place, I might even consider the 5c 10 line DDB Dream Card. It's a lot of fun and TC's rain down. I'd suggest playing on off peak hours because it garners so many scratch cards. I think that Tring calculated about a quad every 100 hands. I hit 46 quads and a SF in about 1 1/2 hours.

    R.S.: I think that your references to "the Boyd collection of dumps" and that "no true AP would bother wasting time with Boyd" were interpreted as saying something about Boyd overall. Many of us read both threads. The contrast to what you posted in mickey's thread and what you've posted in this one is stark.

    AndrewG: If you are just playing for the buffet, you may well lose more than it is worth. I think that 8/5 BP is more like $70 per TC. I wish that someone on this board liked posting mathematical calculations so that no one had to rely on my memory or guestimates. A TC is just $5 coin in on slots. I have also heard about a number of people who were gifted TR's and higher tiers. It aint me babe, but best of luck to the rest of you.

    KJ: I'm glad your posting. I tried counting cards back when it was much easier. I was horrible at it. After reading about all the bannings and hassles from the heyday, I'm pretty impressed at how long you've managed to do this.

    accountinquestion: You aren't the first person to make a case for giving up some EV to get some really good comps. Dan kept a pretty good thread on how to hit 7 stars cost effectively. By the time I figured that it would be a good deal for me to hit Tahoe, CET devalued the program. Rooms EVERY week with some double dip weeks?! Wow! Nicely done.

    redietz: Thank you for the history lesson. I've gathered that there are successful sports betters out there, but I don't understand how such a thing is accomplished. Sounds like you lived through a golden age, but learn to adopt to changes.
    You ought to read about redietz' extraordinary accomplishments from 20-40 years ago....only you have to search his posts because somehow, none of it ever made it onto the internet.

    If you believe people here are interested in giving anything other than lip service to others like you, Fab etc. who come on and say they don't play to win money but "enjoy the comps" then you've come to the wrong place. EVERYBODY here is a winner! Some even whine continuously about how all these chains have cut back on their slot club benefits and freebies as if it's some sort of right. Yet none of them ever stop going. That's called addiction.

    It's like that proven liar kew constantly leaving this forum swearing on the homo's bible he'll never return, only to time and again show what a weak and needy loser he is by coming crawling back like a worn out doofus. They can't stop, and regardless how often or much they lose, it always resorts down to the "I like the free buffets" and "I'm not really playing to win money because I'm stupid enuf to be manipulated by the casinos into saying how much I enjoy the self-overvalueation of comps so I can pretend to feel good about my loser self".

    Wise up.

  10. #50
    Sometimes Rob loses track of the years. Two years ago can seem like 20.

    He loves when I post stuff like this. www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/

  11. #51
    I honestly don't care about a person's sexual preferences and don't understand why anyone else would. I spent 20 years teaching in a prison and traveling in developing countries. People tried to con me all the time. Sometimes they are successful, but I'm not exactly an easy mark. KJ''s story rings true to me. I could be wrong about him, but I doubt it. Same for axelwolf, Monet, and mickeycrimm among others. I don't know enough about what redietz does to make any kind of credible assessment, but I have zero reason to doubt him. I can live with an occasional fish story. If anyone I've mentioned is an actual online fraud then you can call me out as a gullible dumbshit. Until then, I'm going to choose to believe believable people.
    Just to be clear, I'm also claiming to be a winner, just a small one. Even after a bad start this trip, I still have around a $12,000 bankroll that I've gotten from casinos. Winning isn't really an accurate description since it is all accounted for by point accrual and FP. It's a far cry from Mickey's 6 figure roll, but I'm proud of it just the same.

  12. #52
    Any bottom line in the black is an excellent bottom line. As far as video poker goes, I currently play less than 40 hours a year, and I'm up a shade more than 5K lifetime playing video poker. That includes free play turned into cash, but does not include comps or free rooms or points turned into food. It's a very modest amount, but it's way, way better than losing. I salute anyone ahead of the game.

  13. #53
    Thank you for the kind words Wasilla. I have a saying that I repeat often "that it just isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". I think most sensible people conclude similarly about the group mentioned.

    Much less important to me is a players results, whether he is currently in the black. Much more important to me, as an advantage player is playing a winning game (+EV), supported by the math. Now if a player claims and thinks he is playing a winning game and some how is always in the red....well that is something to look into.

    Also not important to me is a players status. I am an AP and the thought of playing -EV, doesn't do much for me. But there are others that just enjoy playing (-EV)....gambling....and that is fine. I respect that.

    Also among those of us that consider ourselves APs, there are a few that make a living and others that play recreationally but still try to play with an advantage as much as possible.

    So I don't have a problem with what or how anyone plays or what they call or consider themselves....as long as the math works!

    But those using "alternative" math....and misleading others with this alternative math or reality...yeah that I have always had a problem with.

  14. #54
    so now speaking of -EV. I do a small amount of sports betting, football and basketball for entertainment. Most years I end up or down a couple grand...usually down.

    So this probably belongs in another thread, but I will mention it here. Last night I made 2 bets on my old home town 76ers (first game after the all star break). 76ers -7.5 and the over 215.

    So the Nets lead the whole game and game was clearly going under. Sixers rally to tie 101-101 in regulation and win 112-104 in overtime winning both wagers by a half point and point respectively. Not a lot of money...$100 each, but I found it odd as those are the kind of things that almost always go against me...not for me.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by wasilla View Post
    I honestly don't care about a person's sexual preferences and don't understand why anyone else would. I spent 20 years teaching in a prison and traveling in developing countries. People tried to con me all the time. Sometimes they are successful, but I'm not exactly an easy mark. KJ''s story rings true to me. I could be wrong about him, but I doubt it. Same for axelwolf, Monet, and mickeycrimm among others. I don't know enough about what redietz does to make any kind of credible assessment, but I have zero reason to doubt him. I can live with an occasional fish story. If anyone I've mentioned is an actual online fraud then you can call me out as a gullible dumbshit. Until then, I'm going to choose to believe believable people.
    Just to be clear, I'm also claiming to be a winner, just a small one. Even after a bad start this trip, I still have around a $12,000 bankroll that I've gotten from casinos. Winning isn't really an accurate description since it is all accounted for by point accrual and FP. It's a far cry from Mickey's 6 figure roll, but I'm proud of it just the same.
    I told you was....EVERYBODY is a winner here....unless you're disliked for bullying the bullies. And you HAVE GOT TO believe kew or else! You like watching tantrums thrown? Just tell him you believe in anything he doesn't agree with, or say you'd like to meet up with him in order for him to prove he can accurately count "two tables at once" and watch the lies about you explode! So what's his supposed queer lifestyle got to do with it? Well go back and look--he used to push it on everybody day and night....until his made-up "partner" wasted away before his very eyes. Now you'll get the poor little persecuted boy perspective.

    And what is it with you people who live their entire lives out on internet forums? WTF--is there no dignity left in this world? Does Donald Trump have to be the last remaining hope for civilized people? What makes it sooo important for you people to feel the need to do tell-alls about yourselves and your thoughts? Are you looking for the same kind of relevance that the insecure kew craves?

    Either way what I or anybody else says or opines about shouldn't keep you up at night like it does Tinkerbell. My wonder is why some people take this stuff so seriously. Anyone with a real life pops in and out of here for entertainment. For instance, it's actually FUN imagining the P-A-I-N kew puts himself thru everytime he posts the same things over and over again. It's like he can't take that he didn't get the reactions he wanted the first dozen times So ignore me if that's what makes you feel most comfortable. But I'll warn you---do so at your own peril. You'll miss out on much of the truth around here, you'll be starving for more amusement, and you'll be blocking out some world-class insults.

  16. #56
    Once again Rob reveals his true self. I mean I ask anyone with any sense: does this sound like a guy who was successful on life, with a high paying career and big retirement fund? Does this sound like a guy who won millions playing video poker after this supposedly successful career in business?

    OR does this sound like a very unhappy and bitter man, angry at anyone who has had any kind of success gambling or APing? Angry and bitter.

    Only one thing could drive a person to be this angry and bitter and is most certainly isn't having been successful. It is jealousy of those that have been able to have some success where he tried and failed.

    But stay tuned for more Singer hate sure to be spewed.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Sometimes Rob loses track of the years. Two years ago can seem like 20.

    He loves when I post stuff like this. www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/
    The link posted above shows the following information...

    2017 Top 5 Winners
    1) Special K Sports
    Total Points: 37
    2) Marc Lawrence
    Total Points: 34
    3RD, TIE - Billy Coleman, Bob Dietz & Joe Nelson
    Total Points: 33


    2018 Playbook Wise Guys Contest
    This is the 33nd year of this competition and this year's contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money.

    There seems to be a distinction between the 2018 contest and others that preceded it...namely that in 2018 "the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money".

    Does that mean that the 2017 contest was a free contest?

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Sometimes Rob loses track of the years. Two years ago can seem like 20.

    He loves when I post stuff like this. www.playbook.com//Vegas-Wise-Guys/
    The link posted above shows the following information...

    2017 Top 5 Winners
    1) Special K Sports
    Total Points: 37
    2) Marc Lawrence
    Total Points: 34
    3RD, TIE - Billy Coleman, Bob Dietz & Joe Nelson
    Total Points: 33


    2018 Playbook Wise Guys Contest
    This is the 33nd year of this competition and this year's contest goes back to its original roots, when the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money.

    There seems to be a distinction between the 2018 contest and others that preceded it...namely that in 2018 "the participants paid an entry fee and gambled with their own money".

    Does that mean that the 2017 contest was a free contest?
    Don't ask him too many questions coach. He'll threaten to put together another one of his infamous "PR Packages" and mail it to anybody who isn't home.

  19. #59
    Basically Rob Singer is like Elizabeth Warren on a gambling forum.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Once again Rob reveals his true self. I mean I ask anyone with any sense: does this sound like a guy who was successful on life, with a high paying career and big retirement fund? Does this sound like a guy who won millions playing video poker after this supposedly successful career in business?

    OR does this sound like a very unhappy and bitter man, angry at anyone who has had any kind of success gambling or APing? Angry and bitter.

    Only one thing could drive a person to be this angry and bitter and is most certainly isn't having been successful. It is jealousy of those that have been able to have some success where he tried and failed.

    But stay tuned for more Singer hate sure to be spewed.
    Well kew, we already know the answers! Remember, I steal internet in order to post. I stole the money to play all those high limit VP machines over the years. My RV is 40 years old. We both have make-believe retirement accounts, SS and pension incomes. And the last royal I boasted about from Silverton really didn't happen. And all this is only the beginning!

    Now compare that to a creepy "partner" with infected blood

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